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So are you denying that Google is more reliable and faster than
any Microsoft site???? Are you denying the huge savings on licensing costs for large systems??? Are you saying there is no value for large operators to be able to customize the kernel for their application to make it more reliable and faster???

Let's turn it around, can you prove that those are not huge advantages????

I will give you this: For small, one off systems, it could be even cheaper to deploy Microsoft because of the ease of use of MS development tools. I will even say that the study they did is probably valid, though I would like to know the mix of customers doing small, one off systems, vs something that runs on a massive scale.

No religion here.
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Yea, tell Google they there is no benifit to running Linux!!!  DonnieBoy | 04/04/05
This independent study says what it says.  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
For small installations, the study might be close to valid.  DonnieBoy | 04/04/05
For all the search engine business owners  seosamh_z | 04/04/05
No, not just search engines. Any webmail, travel, Amazon, Walmart, . . .  DonnieBoy | 04/04/05
You're not making sense  seosamh_z | 04/05/05
We will still need lots of small development shops.  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
He is making sense  BlueScreen4u2c | 04/05/05
I am sure that Redhat will give huge discounts to cluster users.  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
Cluster Edition 2003  adsanders@... | 04/05/05
2003..  nomorems | 04/05/05
The problem with GMail  osreinstall | 04/05/05
Internet privacy and The American Government  clockmendergb@... | 04/05/05
They are pretty bad.  osreinstall | 04/05/05
Waht ads?  Linux User 147560 | 04/05/05
RE: They are pretty bad.  Linux User 147560 | 04/05/05
Nothing is free not even freedom  osreinstall | 04/05/05
RE: Nothing is free not even freedom  Linux User 147560 | 04/06/05
I must be a luddite  osreinstall | 04/06/05
RE: I must be a luddite  Linux User 147560 | 04/06/05
They are filtered of course.  osreinstall | 04/06/05
so what your saying is...  jdahs@... | 04/05/05
Well, at least Microsoft can't do it. The kids at Google, maybe.  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
Do you have any numbers...  ye | 04/04/05
So, you don't know how to multiply? Or you deny that Google runs better  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
I see nothing...  ye | 04/05/05
So are you denying that Google is more reliable and faster than  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
First of all ...  ShadeTree | 04/05/05
Man, try Gmail, it is so much better than Hotmail, and MS has had years.  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
How about www.microsoft.com?  ye | 04/05/05
Still does not compare to Google.  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
Microsoft.com  ShadeTree | 04/05/05
That is the point, you can run great applications on Linux servers.  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
Your conclusions are all wrong!  ShadeTree | 04/05/05
So are you denying all of Hotmail outages and security problems???  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
Try to pay attention this time.  ShadeTree | 04/05/05
Regardless . . .  Sheeva | 04/07/05
you do realize  jdahs@... | 04/05/05
More holes than you think  Mack DaNife | 04/05/05
So isn't the fact that you are attacking me ...  ShadeTree | 04/05/05
Assuming it is independent  criderja | 04/05/05
TCO is NOT a factor here  doh123 | 04/05/05
They are talking TCO!  ShadeTree | 04/05/05
Running WinBlows with Linux firewalls  lengua99 | 04/10/05
Your reliability may vary!  osreinstall | 04/04/05
Yes, but did you read, MS will severly limit what you can do.  DonnieBoy | 04/04/05
With that purchasing power I seriously doubt it.  osreinstall | 04/04/05
Dell still pays over $50 for every copy.  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
RE: Your reliability may vary!  Linux User 147560 | 04/05/05
It will be pretty reliable. 1st release is always a bugger.  osreinstall | 04/05/05
Microsoft not a serious contender  gitmo | 04/11/05
Pure fabrication...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/04/05
What, Google buys servers with Windows installed???  DonnieBoy | 04/04/05
Get real  A.Sinic | 04/05/05
Google is cool, they are not a parasite.  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
GPL  Spoon Jabber | 04/05/05
RE: Get real  richdave | 04/08/05
Answer = $2,000,000  jjworleyeoe | 04/04/05
That web edition you are talking about comes with lots of limitations  DonnieBoy | 04/04/05
"Probably"?  ye | 04/05/05
You would have to evaluate each circumstance.  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
Something that you...  ye | 04/05/05
Man, get rid of the religion.  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
Not Quite True  adsanders@... | 04/05/05
They obviously modify the kernel, but as far as I know it is Linux.  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
I'm a bit confused . . .  Sheeva | 04/07/05
Are you serious?  jrett | 04/05/05
Ok, look at the search engine if you want.  DonnieBoy | 04/05/05
OK, here is the uptime figures again...  dookie23_z | 04/05/05
Google could not be what it is without Linux  john.gruber@... | 04/06/05
Good points, not just an advantage for them, there'd be no Google without  DonnieBoy | 04/06/05
Windows TCO and security on a par with ...  ShadeTree | 04/04/05
Re: Windows TCO and security on a par with ...  none none | 04/04/05
Major concession!  IT_User | 04/05/05
More Crying  Mack DaNife | 04/05/05
My responses are directly in proportion to ...  ShadeTree | 04/05/05
Well said!!  jrett | 04/05/05
TCO was not mentioned  doh123 | 04/05/05
Read the article!  ShadeTree | 04/05/05
you read the article  doh123 | 04/06/05
Linux joint venture. Your help is needed.  Vily Clay | 04/04/05
Yes, children play child's games.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/04/05
No_Ax_to_Grind, is your REAL work hacking Windows? (NT)  Vily Clay | 04/04/05
Does it mean Windows is ONLY for kids-gamers and Linux - for work? (NT)  Vily Clay | 04/04/05
Re-write  Scrat | 04/05/05
Translation:  Vily Clay | 04/05/05
pot / kettle rendezvous again?  Scrat | 04/05/05
Translation from MS English:  Vily Clay | 04/05/05
Vily, Did the metal plate in your head rust thru?  osreinstall | 04/05/05
osreinstall, not everybody has the same defect as you do. (NT)  Vily Clay | 04/05/05
Just proves what I have been saying...  Mike Cox | 04/04/05
9.5 Loved the Trump imatation  Squawkbox | 04/04/05
8.5  Real World | 04/05/05
Dual Booters  taliesinangelus | 04/05/05
I don't think so ....  bjpartida | 04/05/05
Still some Newbs  gagnon_pascal@... | 04/06/05
Wait a darn minute here  Squawkbox | 04/04/05
And 12% rate Linux as superior  Richard Flude | 04/04/05
5 Apples + 3 Pears = 24 Peaches You must be using new math  osreinstall | 04/04/05
Osreinstall ...You should check your math...  mdsmedia | 04/04/05
Nothing wrong with the math  osreinstall | 04/04/05
re the math  Llandros Loressin | 04/05/05
er Llandros ....  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
er hipparchus2000  mdsmedia | 04/05/05
in part my bad, in part, I'm right  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
Lets do the math again  osreinstall | 04/05/05
Should have stopped here  Richard Flude | 04/05/05
Don't you like fun with statistics?  osreinstall | 04/05/05
re Lets do the math again  Llandros Loressin | 04/06/05
It is obvious you do not like puzzles  osreinstall | 04/06/05
re osreinstall's responce  Llandros Loressin | 04/07/05
Sometimes 50/50 is all you got to go by  osreinstall | 04/07/05
In addition to 50/50  osreinstall | 04/07/05
re ...  Llandros Loressin | 04/08/05
Not everyone likes linux  osreinstall | 04/08/05
re above  Llandros Loressin | 04/12/05
Whatever  osreinstall | 04/12/05
re whatever  Llandros Loressin | 04/13/05
No method is perfect  osreinstall | 04/13/05
re no method is perfect  Llandros Loressin | 04/13/05
re ps  Llandros Loressin | 04/13/05
It has been debated  osreinstall | 04/13/05
Linux is NOT a ZERO-PRICE option ...  mwagner@... | 04/05/05
Agreed, almost  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
True enough ...  mwagner@... | 04/05/05
No enterprise is going to download linux ... er how about google, amazon  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
Yes, they are ...  mwagner@... | 04/05/05
Most likely?  Richard Flude | 04/05/05
Finally, someone with real experience  adsanders@... | 04/05/05
interesting point re audit  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
Carefull stating things that can be instantly disproved  Richard Flude | 04/05/05
One reason not to give too much credit to these readers  mggordon | 06/21/05
Hows your maths???  GetReal-mac.com | 04/05/05
ummm...how's yours?  mdsmedia | 04/05/05
yes in truth the figures tell you just about nothing  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
The standard of Math in the forums is pretty poor  Richard Flude | 04/05/05
Don't worry fanatics are terrible at statistic math!  osreinstall | 04/05/05
For your edification  rpmyers1 | 04/04/05
For your redification  ShadeTree | 04/05/05
Her  rpmyers1 | 04/05/05
Linux stole it  SC-man | 04/05/05
Well if SCO does not win it's claim(s) then I will have  Laff | 04/05/05
that's eight lines more than SCO have shown in court  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
Hah! I needed some good cheer!  mggordon | 06/21/05
MCSEs Exposed  matrixdomain | 04/04/05
Cute Rant  osreinstall | 04/04/05
The rant actually back up the articles comments  voska | 04/05/05
MCSE  Real World | 04/05/05
Just getting a little weary of the superior attitude  osreinstall | 04/05/05
So are  Linux User 147560 | 04/05/05
Linux dudes started it  osreinstall | 04/05/05
Then there's those of us...  Real World | 04/06/05
I have read your previous posts  osreinstall | 04/06/05
RE  Real World | 04/07/05
Tell me ab out how...  toadlife | 04/04/05
Yea  IT Scion | 04/05/05
Mad Penguin is about right....  Scrat | 04/05/05
Your listening to hype too much  IAHawkeye | 04/05/05
The same can be said about Linux  balsover | 04/05/05
RHCE  SC-man | 04/05/05
MCSE's are different now  toadlife | 04/05/05
student here  Fleeb | 04/05/05
Sigh  PMC-CON | 04/05/05
Impressive  rapson | 04/05/05
From what I noticed  voska | 04/05/05
I won't disagree...  rapson | 04/05/05
He probably worked with a paper MCSE  voska | 04/05/05
Late 90's MSCE's were worthless  toadlife | 04/05/05
Thanks for the info  rapson | 04/06/05
Of course...  Omch'Ar | 04/05/05
If the survey is accurate  richdave | 04/04/05
I actually agree with you ion that  toadlife | 04/04/05
Another jewel of information for you, no religion added.  DonnieBoy | 04/04/05
Nice post. (NT)  NonZealot | 04/05/05
Here are results of real survey.  FirstNLastN | 04/04/05
we competition for microsoft so they could put more effect into windows..  M_c | 04/04/05
What Foolishness...  realitycheck101 | 04/04/05
When I am King.....  JoeMama_z | 04/04/05
I need...  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
Most US businesses have tried Linux ... hilarious  michael-t | 04/05/05
re-re-re-patching  PA-ITGuy | 04/05/05
hehehe  IT Scion | 04/05/05
FYI: The fact of the matter is that  michael-t | 04/05/05
Keep reading.  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
What do you think Anton?  michael-t | 04/05/05
My point here.  Anton Philidor | 04/06/05
Most large corporations probably have!  mwagner@... | 04/05/05
And how does this  michael-t | 04/05/05
That's sweet and profound ...  michael-t | 04/05/05
"independent study" + Yankee Group = definition of oxymoron.  Judas I. | 04/05/05
you read it wrong (just like they wanted you to)  doh123 | 04/05/05
And if  michael-t | 04/06/05
Well if the story is true it still seems that Linux has the edge.  Laff | 04/05/05
Linux is far from having an edge!  ShadeTree | 04/05/05
Look Shade this is no threat to MS as a whole. MS  Laff | 04/05/05
Re: Speed  Scrat | 04/05/05
MS threat  IT Scion | 04/05/05
Threat to Microsoft  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
I don't know about that  voska | 04/05/05
Wishing doesn't make it so.  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
You're kidding, right?  IT_User | 04/05/05
its NOT TCO  doh123 | 04/05/05
Reduce Linux costs with mainframes  pmilano | 04/05/05
What really surpirsed me...  IT Scion | 04/05/05
Confusing  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
Sry Antonq  IT Scion | 04/05/05
All *nix products are the same ...  mwagner@... | 04/05/05
some mistakes.  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
Sun has bigger problems than the Microsoft deal.  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
I haven't found Sun Hardware that expensive  voska | 04/05/05
Okay.  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
I agree 100%  voska | 04/05/05
Meeting customer demand??  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
linux replacing unix  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
Okay.  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
I agree  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
What is your differentiator?  IT_User | 04/05/05
Cheap software replacing Unix  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
Not so surprising, really ...  mwagner@... | 04/05/05
Internet aware?  Scrat | 04/05/05
The importance of tools.  Anton Philidor | 04/05/05
tools.. i disagree  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
Re: So are you denying that Google is more reliable and faster than  ye | 04/05/05
MAINTENANCE cost, not cost of OWNERSHIP  itinko | 04/05/05
hey, stop expecting people to actually comprehend what they read  doh123 | 04/05/05
Well SURPRISE, SURPRISE!  mwagner@... | 04/05/05
The DiDiot...  jmervyn | 04/05/05
Stop The Zealoutism  Philip Stears | 04/05/05
The word you're looking for is "zealotry"  tic swayback | 04/05/05
Hehe  Philip Stears | 04/05/05
Right on the mark!  George Mitchell | 04/05/05
Yes, for small one-off systems, Linux has no advantage.  DonnieBoy | 04/06/05
Well I really like Linux  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
Check out Shuttle.com  NonZealot | 04/05/05
I have one in work  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
Dselect?  Scrat | 04/05/05
hmm looks pretty similar to dselect to me  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
Enough informatiion missing to fure fights forever (NT)  Update victim | 04/05/05
That "fure" is supposed to be "fuel", Sorry (NT)  Update victim | 04/05/05
Why do you think...  Omch'Ar | 04/05/05
Sea Change  Chad_z | 04/05/05
OK, here is the uptime figures...  dookie23_z | 04/05/05
Well, that pretty much says it all, doesn't it?  MTMacPhee | 04/08/05
Yankee Group perports to be unbiased but may only be a front for Microsoft  nfcl | 04/05/05
well i can think off one  toxicfreak | 04/07/05
Amazing  George Jay | 04/08/05
The journalism is faulty  Debunker | 04/05/05
No studies are real  FilledOut | 04/05/05
This one sure fired up the Linux zealots huh?  golowenow | 04/05/05
maybe you're right  hipparchus2000 | 04/05/05
Same old Microsoft ruse.  systemcleaner | 04/06/05
All I know is....  Randyz@... | 04/06/05
Erm...  zkiwi | 04/06/05
Our business is not proving out software  Baer | 04/06/05
Windows VS Linux Server  oisleach@... | 04/07/05
You are confused  wresnick | 04/07/05
Subjectivity, not objectivity  wresnick | 04/07/05
big vs small, old vs new; and the ad factor  dkloke@... | 04/08/05
Is it really a VALID question?  Vassa | 04/08/05
Behind the Firewall Costs  compass53@... | 04/08/05
track costs to the penny???  david_douglass@... | 04/08/05
Obviously they've never submitted a project budget  ljhiker | 04/08/05
Linux: HA!  jkratzer3 | 04/08/05
Linux is better for SAP  erickj | 04/08/05
microsoft changing the rules  alan.m@... | 04/08/05
Survey: Microsoft vs Linux  radar_z | 04/10/05
One leg in linux and another in Windows  sragavan | 04/10/05

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