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heh heh heh...you know I've found a similar way to
look at things that does not need a God figure. I've found in my
life that "IF" you simply wait things seem to work their way out.

DId you once mention predestiny to me? Do you belive in
destiny and predestiney? I can not for that would mean
someone intended my life to be as it was/is..and that would be
unforgivable. I also find it amusing for people who achieve
things to claim that it was their destiny to accomplish this and
that. Becaue to me that means you accomplished nothing much
for if you were destine for it...who cares? What is impressive is if
you say you were destine to fail and you did NOT! Now that is
and impressive accomplishment. If you are destine to
succeed..bit whoop. If you are destine to fail...and instead
succeed then WOW! Not that is something.

Betwix and between predestiny and destiny and God's plan and
chaos to me chaos is far more compasiinate and kind. For I can
understand that some get delt good hand and some bad in
chaos. That in chaos everyone has a change to succeed and fail
based on their efforts and luck. No one is destine to greatness
and or destine to fail. Chaos is far kinder for those like me..at
least we do not have to think God put us here like this and then
demands that we Glorify him. Oh Yuck!

Pagan jim
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ID  Ardian Daka | 02/11/05
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Europe  tic swayback | 02/11/05
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you volunteer to travel..  gsbtech | 02/11/05
Questions  Update victim | 02/11/05
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Answers  BitTwiddler | 02/11/05
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Then he should have nothing to fear  tic swayback | 02/11/05
No problem  James T. Kirk | 02/11/05
My IP Address is 255.255.255.0  itanalyst | 02/11/05
You left out something  tic swayback | 02/11/05
A Spear And Magic Helmet?  itanalyst | 02/11/05
But that doesn't answer the question  tic swayback | 02/11/05
Just what exactly do you see as the inconvenience.(nt)  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Many inconveniences  tic swayback | 02/11/05
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Where do you bank?  Flak Jacket | 02/11/05
I have a bank account...(need one to cash my paychecks)  Laff | 02/11/05
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Excuse me, while I whip this out....  James T. Kirk | 02/11/05
Wasting government money  tic swayback | 02/11/05
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Yes, same with the SS#  Spoon Jabber | 02/12/05
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Very Dangerous Argument  bit_rot | 02/11/05
Did anyone RTFA??  theding0 | 02/11/05
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If the voting machines that have NO paper trail work  Laff | 02/11/05
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TECH DIVA YOU...  Linux User 147560 | 02/11/05
Shrub?  gsbtech | 02/11/05
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One thing though  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
I'm Not Worried, The USA Is Going To Nuke Itself Out Of Existence Anyway  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Go To Hollywood, they will give you mushrooms  tedman | 02/11/05
Yep..Keep Telling Yourself That...  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Good Heavens!!!  BitTwiddler | 02/11/05
Mine is only 35..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Kitty?  Linux User 147560 | 02/11/05
Your birth certificate is registered with  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Or I can print one up on my computer system and  Laff | 02/11/05
Of course you have...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Those are easy to forge...  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Break in a mortgage company and steal one.  tl.eckels@... | 02/11/05
Why don't you share you BC/SS/Dl templates on Emule?  GreatInca | 02/14/05
Unless their hall of records burned down ... (nt)  Judas I. | 02/11/05
Actually the poster...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Aw, c'mon, Shadey.  Judas I. | 02/12/05
And how will they know I am who I say I am?  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
I ordered mine online  gsbtech | 02/11/05
ID should also state if person is a Terroist  tedman | 02/11/05
Is that like..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Ted Kennedy already thought of that  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
Right to anonymity  tic swayback | 02/11/05
Excellent post Tic!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/05
BRAVO!!!  FreeBSD | 02/11/05
you can travel fine...  doh123 | 02/11/05
Should that be up to the government?  tic swayback | 02/11/05
So the governmen is off the hook, they'll be relieved.  BigHeat | 02/11/05
Karl Rove loves this law!  tl.eckels@... | 02/11/05
Anonymity  bhartman24 | 02/12/05
Point often missed  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
Except you shouldn't be compelled  voska | 02/14/05
Our courts  Spoon Jabber | 02/14/05
The police and "ID"  bhartman24 | 02/14/05
in NY no ID won't get you arrested but can extend hold time if you are.  GreatInca | 02/14/05
Bhartman, GreatInca  Spoon Jabber | 02/14/05
Suggestion for new motto  Chad_z | 02/11/05
Good One Chad....  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Even without 9/11 this was bound to happen eventually  George Jay | 02/11/05
Punishing the law abiders  tic swayback | 02/11/05
First of all I do not sign up for those or any cards.  Laff | 02/11/05
How is it different?  bit_rot | 02/11/05
I wonder what Usama thinks about this  dave95 | 02/11/05
You are not required to give legit info  voska | 02/11/05
Yeah.. They are in control..  FreeBSD | 02/11/05
us constitution is it protecting us or not ? or is itreal ?  M_c | 02/11/05
Has the Senate voted yet?  Michael Kelly | 02/11/05
Where are the conservatives when we really need them?  tic swayback | 02/11/05
The cards are a great idea.  BXLE | 02/11/05
Well "OIL" is used in the manufactering of plastics...:)  Laff | 02/11/05
And you can't spell "turmoil" without "oil"  tic swayback | 02/11/05
More Evidence Bush Dropped The Ball On 9/11  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Old news  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
Read the early 90's *The New World Order*  NotMSUser | 02/11/05
And..  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
A few sincere questions - we need progress, how do we get there?  BigHeat | 02/11/05
My thoughts so far ... maybe I'll change my mind w/ your suggestions.  BigHeat | 02/11/05
What does it matter that with National Id's we know  Laff | 02/11/05
You dodged the questions. wink  BigHeat | 02/11/05
Sorry I did not intend to dodge anything..however the  Laff | 02/11/05
Its impact is indeed terrifying.  BigHeat | 02/11/05
OK...but new cells keep coming. It is an impressive  Laff | 02/11/05
Side note, still related  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
I think I'm using the "slippery slope" arguement.  Laff | 02/13/05
That's clearer, thanks Laff (NT)  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
I'll take a stab at it...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/05
Some nice thoughts, but a few more questions.  BigHeat | 02/11/05
Easy..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Is there any reasonable suggestion to be offered?  BigHeat | 02/11/05
Contradictory  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
A few sincere answers  Squawkbox | 02/11/05
That's more like it.  BigHeat | 02/11/05
What is wrong with you people!!!  doh123 | 02/11/05
Rubbush  none none | 02/11/05
England did the same thing  osreinstall | 02/11/05
Next: Bio powered RFID at birth.  tl.eckels@... | 02/11/05
ACLU Agrees Wtih Gun Lobby  Pinkerton | 02/13/05
US Constitution & Amendments  osreinstall | 02/13/05
Real ID Act , Good or Bad; You Decide  Bernal | 02/14/05
Old School, No Static ?  ParadigmOdyssey | 02/14/05
Smart cards are readily cracked and copied in asia.  GreatInca | 02/14/05

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