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My favorite quote by Ol' Ben, HJ, ...
... but beware! Don't be surprised if you get a flood of reponses here that claim that Ben's stance on this is hopelessly out of date in our modern age, just like all of those things in that old, worn-out document called the Bill of Rights.
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welcome to the USSA  fflintstone | 02/10/05
Boxer?  Update victim | 02/11/05
Very few people are pure evil or pure good. Heck  Laff | 02/11/05
Apparently you've never met my ex  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
My ex was NOT pure evil....her lawyer however:)  Laff | 02/11/05
More like: step in it  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
Weren't you people the ones...  ordaj@... | 02/11/05
Really?!  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
Disrespecting the office of the President?!?!?...  ordaj@... | 02/11/05
Please indeed  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
Lies, lies, and more lies...  ordaj@... | 02/12/05
Item # 2  garylh@... | 03/05/05
Nazism, pure and simple  Jeff Spicoli | 02/10/05
Benjamin Franklin said:  Hugh Jass | 02/10/05
My favorite quote by Ol' Ben, HJ, ...  Judas I. | 02/10/05
My favorite ol' Ben:  Hugh Jass | 02/10/05
Did he really say that?  Judas I. | 02/11/05
You quote him erroneously!  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
It still does...  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Is it?  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Yes Shady..let's throw you in a cage..  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
You just don't get it!  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
YOU don't get it because you are totally BRAINWASHED  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
Al Jazeera ...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
So you believe Al-Jazeera now???  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
It is called fact checking!  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Why would muslims think it was celebrated?  voska | 02/11/05
It was muslims celebrating ...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
All like 1.2 BILLION Muslims or only a few? Or did all  Laff | 02/11/05
Just the ones that think we are the great satan(nt).  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
So since the Koran and the Muslim faith came into  Laff | 02/11/05
Don't get me wrong!  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Maybe it does Laff  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
Man just once I want the Bible to just come out and  Laff | 02/11/05
Maybe not raised a hand, but...  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
So are you saying this whole mess is because of yet  Laff | 02/12/05
You would think so  Spoon Jabber | 02/12/05
heh heh heh...you know I've found a similar way to  Laff | 02/12/05
Actually..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Good point!  DarbyOhara | 02/11/05
License is just another word for TAX  voska | 02/11/05
4th amendment Shade  tic swayback | 02/11/05
The issuance of an ID card or the setting ...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Not issuance, the demand for showing your papers is the problem  tic swayback | 02/11/05
Still not a search or seizure issue!  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Show me the law  tic swayback | 02/11/05
Food for thought  Update victim | 02/11/05
It is not a law.  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Prove it  tic swayback | 02/11/05
No, you prove it!  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Tic, didn't we just cover this?  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
I want to see the actual FAA rule  tic swayback | 02/12/05
FAA Security directive 96-05  Spoon Jabber | 02/12/05
Taken freedoms  garylh@... | 03/05/05
And yet it doesn't change its meaning WHATSOEVER  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
you really need some help  doh123 | 02/11/05
I feel for your psychiatrist - NT  osreinstall | 02/11/05
Still the same meaning....  shawkins | 02/11/05
Imagine that ...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Because of this and the Patriot Act I have begun to take  Laff | 02/11/05
Shadey? Not erroneous, Ben said this MANY times ...  Judas I. | 02/11/05
Show me a reference to where...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
I was haning with Ben and God just yesterday and you  Laff | 02/11/05
Okay, Shadey, here ya go:  Judas I. | 02/11/05
So then his lack of specificity...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
You made a good point Butter  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
Shadey and "Lack of specificity"  Judas I. | 02/12/05
Spooner and "good point, Butter..."  Judas I. | 02/12/05
Hi, OButterball  bhartman24 | 02/11/05
That 666 theory that you mentioned is not the excepted  Laff | 02/11/05
666 and Freedom  bhartman24 | 02/11/05
I like the way you read the Bible my friend.  Laff | 02/11/05
One other thought here. I have read in several posts  Laff | 02/11/05
H'lo, bhartman24  Judas I. | 02/11/05
"Apocolypse" hasn't happened yet  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
Maybe my book of quotations  Hugh Jass | 02/12/05
I rather have freedom. But Unique IDs are important.  GreatInca | 02/14/05
Rigged?  Spoon Jabber | 02/14/05
Jeff We Need To Keep Watch On People Like YOU  RobertoSalazar | 02/11/05
Gee, Roberto, we don't NEED to keep an eye on Jeff, ...  Judas I. | 02/11/05
America.."Land of the not nearly as free as they use  Laff | 02/11/05
Game is over for all extremists  voska | 02/11/05
Since when?  rapson | 02/11/05
If you are correct in trusting those in power then we  Laff | 02/11/05
Since last year!  dave95 | 02/11/05
Bush Protestors  bhartman24 | 02/11/05
How scarey is the thought that FREE speech can be zoned?  Laff | 02/11/05
Not scary at all, Laff  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
re: Bush Protestors  dave95 | 02/11/05
Spoon no one was going to stop Bush and Co from  Laff | 02/11/05
Definitely takes courage  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
You made my point my friend! The police protected  Laff | 02/12/05
Yes Laff, I hope other posters see my point  Spoon Jabber | 02/12/05
Spoony I see your point  dave95 | 02/12/05
When all is said and done in this day of media mania  Laff | 02/12/05
Not buying just one side of the story Dave  Spoon Jabber | 02/12/05
Now you understand Spoon how I feel when I get  Laff | 02/12/05
Agreed Laff  Spoon Jabber | 02/12/05
Spoon and "Agreed Laff "  Judas I. | 02/12/05
OK, Butter  Spoon Jabber | 02/12/05
Butter....I think I may be able to answer that.  Laff | 02/13/05
Spoon and Laff: gee ... well ...  Judas I. | 02/13/05
No I think  Linux User 147560 | 02/11/05
HomeLand.....FartherLand. Similar and scarey is it not?  Laff | 02/11/05
Boy, you betcha, Laff.  Judas I. | 02/11/05
let's kick you out instead...  M_c | 02/11/05
re: Jeff's freedom of speech  osreinstall | 02/11/05
Hey now,  rkadowns | 02/11/05
Da*n Jeff, I never wanted to agree with you  Roger Ramjet | 02/11/05
Yeah...the 60's were times filled with all those liberal  Laff | 02/11/05
This just might bode well  Roger Ramjet | 02/11/05
Same evil different names I'm afraid. Power corrupts all.  Laff | 02/11/05
I don't think so.  rkadowns | 02/11/05
re: Michael Savage  osreinstall | 02/11/05
yes, your right  doh123 | 02/11/05
Frankly criminals and terrorists don't scare me in the  Laff | 02/11/05
doh123 terrorists and some criminals can only kill me  Laff | 02/11/05
Careful Laff  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
Dude...I always pay one way or the other!  Laff | 02/11/05
Believe me Roger, I wish I were wrong about ALL of this..  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
It's a sad day for freedom-loving people.  Tim Patterson | 02/10/05
"Since the people don't seem to care maybe they deserve to be enslaved."  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
Can you spell 'Fox'  DarbyOhara | 02/11/05
Fox - Oh no, Aren?t they Fare and Balance?  dave95 | 02/11/05
Yes, that's trash allright  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
Fox News  dave95 | 02/11/05
I agree, not perfect  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
Going through the spin cycle eh? I guess the truth can  Laff | 02/12/05
Ratings are more important than the truth  dave95 | 02/12/05
dave95 tell me of your brothers experience please.  Laff | 02/12/05
Well Laff....  dave95 | 02/12/05
The land of the free no more  johnnyu | 02/10/05
Lesser of two evils  J.T. Ripper | 02/10/05
Uh, J.T.? Not that I want to be argumentative or anything ...  Judas I. | 02/10/05
Good one Butter  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
What makes you so special?  gsbtech | 02/10/05
Hmmmmm.  DarbyOhara | 02/11/05
Or..  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
Sounds good to me (well, except the wall part)  shawkins | 02/11/05
had a wife like that once...  gsbtech | 02/10/05
OMFG!  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
lol.  DarbyOhara | 02/11/05
Are you sure?  gsbtech | 02/11/05
New Zealand Is A Nice Place  itanalyst | 02/11/05
is it a community property country?  gsbtech | 02/11/05
What are you doing about it? nt  ordaj@... | 02/11/05
Bush is a facist. Right wing biased authoritarian. Uh, Hitler.  GreatInca | 02/14/05
Sorry dude, but facist is LEFT wing  Spoon Jabber | 02/14/05
They need to change the name from...  Judas I. | 02/10/05
It's already begun...  gsbtech | 02/10/05
Hey, Try to look at the Bright Side!  BobSm | 02/10/05
Right  alterego_z | 02/11/05
Remember: 59 million of you *VOTED* for this.  Atlant | 02/11/05
I demand a re-count...  BitTwiddler | 02/11/05
And we told you so  Chad_z | 02/11/05
Seriously Chad  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
You're Papers Please!  BitTwiddler | 02/11/05
it's coming.....  JasonL31 | 02/11/05
Yeah...like they are going to say PLEASE! More like  Laff | 02/11/05
Your only chance is if they  osreinstall | 02/11/05
No RFID  alterego_z | 02/11/05
There may be some hope  seosamh_z | 02/11/05
Diebold isn't term limited, though.  Atlant | 02/11/05
This will do nothing against terrorists!  Outside T. Box | 02/11/05
"And what the heck is the purpose of having driving history on the ID?"  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
Mark of the Beast  Repeal | 02/11/05
Amen Brother!!!  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Well I have no loyalty to Jesus however I will not except  Laff | 02/11/05
What would Jesus do? - NT  osreinstall | 02/11/05
Kick some nasty butt!!!!  Laff | 02/11/05
I have read your posts before  osreinstall | 02/11/05
Pride goeth before a fall (NT)  Spoon Jabber | 02/11/05
Better to fall in  osreinstall | 02/11/05
Pride goeth before the fall? Perhaps American should  Laff | 02/12/05
Sorry Laff, I'd have to "one up" you  Spoon Jabber | 02/12/05
And with any luck I would hold onto you and maybe  Laff | 02/12/05
See, you ARE important afterall!  Spoon Jabber | 02/12/05
Well Spoon I have no real good future so being reckless  Laff | 02/13/05
Mark of the Beast- Re:Repeal  miserman | 02/13/05
Not coincidence  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
Spoon Jabber  miserman | 02/14/05
Yes, I have  Spoon Jabber | 02/15/05
Re: Yes I have  miserman | 02/15/05
Gifts  Spoon Jabber | 02/16/05
Re:Gifts  miserman | 02/16/05
Good question  Spoon Jabber | 02/17/05
The 10th Amendment  Repeal | 02/11/05
every civilization eventually gets abused by those in power  JasonL31 | 02/11/05
Welcome to the End.  xshakes | 02/11/05
When The Chips Are Mandatory To Implant, Line Me Against The Wall  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Actually, I believe it will be a chopping block  James T. Kirk | 02/11/05
Maybe they'll saw your head off slowly with a knife  GreatInca | 02/14/05
I'll get me a fake reprogrammable flashRAM chip.  GreatInca | 02/14/05
One problem...  jcpwebman | 02/24/05
what happened to not using SS to ID you?  Arrg | 02/11/05
Not Legal..........?  acesecurity | 02/12/05
If This Is True, Why No Mention On CNN, Fox, MSNBC??  itanalyst | 02/11/05
FOX news  snakernetb | 02/11/05
Der Furher News  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
Because  DarbyOhara | 02/11/05
The answer is obvious  dragontiger | 02/11/05
I was thinking the same thing ...  gsbtech | 02/11/05
When in the course of human evnets...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/05
take a pill...  DarbyOhara | 02/11/05
The blue pill?  James T. Kirk | 02/11/05
Why should this be a problem?  B.O.F.H. | 02/11/05
Why should criminals fear this?  tic swayback | 02/11/05
honest folks?  DarbyOhara | 02/11/05
What happens when those in control start calling you  Laff | 02/11/05
I can think of hundreds of reasons.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/05
Just look at debit card scams  voska | 02/11/05
good point...  gsbtech | 02/11/05
Why should this be a problem?  AmusedAtItAll | 02/11/05
Agreed!  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Hey don't forget us Mainers!!! You know the guys  Laff | 02/11/05
I was going to nominate you for the front line  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Same here....let's get em!  Laff | 02/11/05
Slow down guys!  Spoon Jabber | 02/12/05
DEAL party at Spoon BYOGAA...bring your own guns and ammo  Laff | 02/12/05
Say Goodby to Freedom  wbigford | 02/11/05
What next barcodes  snakernetb | 02/11/05
Civil War...  DarbyOhara | 02/11/05
the other side  RPMayhem | 02/11/05
Look, A New Piece Of Flair To Add To My Wallet!  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Office Space! nt  ordaj@... | 02/11/05
Quick Poll....How Long Before The USA Completely Implodes From Within?  itanalyst | 02/11/05
I'll betcha....  DarbyOhara | 02/11/05
I believe it has already started ...  George Jay | 02/11/05
And this would have prevented 9/11... how?  Bill Swan | 02/11/05
Here's A Link To Another Version Of The Story  itanalyst | 02/11/05
AP wire?  DarbyOhara | 02/11/05
This serves no useful purpose  tic swayback | 02/11/05
Message has been deleted.  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Precisely Analyst  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
Of course it does, Hitler proved it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/05
A few questions for all ...  Ardian Daka | 02/11/05
Hard Question To Answer.....  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Very true ...  Ardian Daka | 02/11/05
Registration  AbsolutelyNot | 02/11/05
But you do use a form of ID.  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Yes but..  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
Supposition on your part but...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
I nuke it in the microwave....:)  Laff | 02/11/05
Not necessarily..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Don't use the ATM! Only have a bank account to cash  Laff | 02/11/05
A few answers  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
This is the key here  tic swayback | 02/11/05
You wouldn't need an ID to move arround...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
So it's okay to curtail some types of movement, but not others?  tic swayback | 02/11/05
I have no problem showing my ID to gain access ...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
But what purpose does it serve?  tic swayback | 02/11/05
And I refuse....So? Just because you are willing to do  Laff | 02/11/05
So Laff ...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Shade...for now yes. But the cell bars are getting closer  Laff | 02/11/05
But I can  Linux User 147560 | 02/11/05
Oh and  Linux User 147560 | 02/11/05
DO NOT GIVE THEM IDEAS!!!.....:) Like they need em!  Laff | 02/11/05
but what if there is a criminal record?  gsbtech | 02/11/05
As Tic says in his post ...  Ardian Daka | 02/11/05
Real world solutions  tic swayback | 02/11/05
Interesting thoughts..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
ID  Ardian Daka | 02/11/05
The problem is..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Agree  Ardian Daka | 02/11/05
True..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
To watch people 24/7 was once considered only to be  Laff | 02/11/05
The problem Adrian is that it doesn't.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/05
Its for your protection  osreinstall | 02/11/05
National ID isn't the problem  voska | 02/11/05
No, National ID is NOT the problem  mactolinux | 02/11/05
Why?  AbsolutelyNot | 02/11/05
Real easy to answer these:  Judas I. | 02/11/05
I agree ...  Ardian Daka | 02/11/05
What country in Europe has a "Bill of Rights"? (NT)  Judas I. | 02/11/05
Didn't the French have ...  Ardian Daka | 02/11/05
I'm not sure, Ardian.  Judas I. | 02/11/05
We have a Bill of Rights......  Dave F_z | 02/12/05
Thanks for weighing in, Dave F. ...  Judas I. | 02/12/05
Interestingly O.........  Dave F_z | 02/12/05
Easy...  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
I like 36DD better ...  Ardian Daka | 02/11/05
Europe  tic swayback | 02/11/05
IDs in Europe  AbsolutelyNot | 02/11/05
Precisely Tech, Proves nothing! NT  dave95 | 02/11/05
you volunteer to travel..  gsbtech | 02/11/05
Questions  Update victim | 02/11/05
Couldn't have put it better myself ! (NT)  Ardian Daka | 02/11/05
Answers  BitTwiddler | 02/11/05
Devil's Advocate  James T. Kirk | 02/11/05
The only thing we have to fear..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
And just imagine...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
No, all it took..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Nope just the same attitude.  Laff | 02/11/05
Given that we already...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
It's not the reasons they give nor what they say it wil  Laff | 02/11/05
Gave the inch. The mile is now being walked.  AbsolutelyNot | 02/11/05
So your point is ...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Hey animal farm advocate  osreinstall | 02/12/05
Much to get upset about  tic swayback | 02/11/05
Seriously! Why doesn't he just post his IP addy here then?  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
Then he should have nothing to fear  tic swayback | 02/11/05
No problem  James T. Kirk | 02/11/05
My IP Address is 255.255.255.0  itanalyst | 02/11/05
You left out something  tic swayback | 02/11/05
A Spear And Magic Helmet?  itanalyst | 02/11/05
But that doesn't answer the question  tic swayback | 02/11/05
Just what exactly do you see as the inconvenience.(nt)  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Many inconveniences  tic swayback | 02/11/05
Guillable award goes to the 'law abiding' citizen with the fake name.  AmusedAtItAll | 02/12/05
Where do you bank?  Flak Jacket | 02/11/05
I have a bank account...(need one to cash my paychecks)  Laff | 02/11/05
Huh?  James T. Kirk | 02/11/05
I love your movies  tic swayback | 02/11/05
Excuse me, while I whip this out....  James T. Kirk | 02/11/05
Wasting government money  tic swayback | 02/11/05
I had to show ID flying June 28th, 2000  voska | 02/11/05
Yes, same with the SS#  Spoon Jabber | 02/12/05
Its illegal to even ask for it in Canada  voska | 02/14/05
Don't worry about the ID at the airport (LAX anyway)  GreatInca | 02/14/05
Very Dangerous Argument  bit_rot | 02/11/05
Did anyone RTFA??  theding0 | 02/11/05
Which is better?  tic swayback | 02/11/05
Both, of course..however  theding0 | 02/11/05
We All Know Bush Isn't Really Satan  itanalyst | 02/11/05
"We"?  James T. Kirk | 02/11/05
If the voting machines that have NO paper trail work  Laff | 02/11/05
Paper trails are only good because they are difficult to modify-hack  GreatInca | 02/14/05
The real question is ...  Judas I. | 02/11/05
So what would you say "IF" Bush who is an avowed  Laff | 02/11/05
You fight it before!  AbsolutelyNot | 02/11/05
TECH DIVA YOU...  Linux User 147560 | 02/11/05
Shrub?  gsbtech | 02/11/05
What about foreign visitors?  tic swayback | 02/11/05
EXACTLY Tic....This Accomplishes NOTHING  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Get Ready!!  FreeBSD | 02/11/05
One thing though  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
I'm Not Worried, The USA Is Going To Nuke Itself Out Of Existence Anyway  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Go To Hollywood, they will give you mushrooms  tedman | 02/11/05
Yep..Keep Telling Yourself That...  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Good Heavens!!!  BitTwiddler | 02/11/05
Mine is only 35..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Kitty?  Linux User 147560 | 02/11/05
Your birth certificate is registered with  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Or I can print one up on my computer system and  Laff | 02/11/05
Of course you have...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Those are easy to forge...  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Break in a mortgage company and steal one.  tl.eckels@... | 02/11/05
Why don't you share you BC/SS/Dl templates on Emule?  GreatInca | 02/14/05
Unless their hall of records burned down ... (nt)  Judas I. | 02/11/05
Actually the poster...  ShadeTree | 02/11/05
Aw, c'mon, Shadey.  Judas I. | 02/12/05
And how will they know I am who I say I am?  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
I ordered mine online  gsbtech | 02/11/05
ID should also state if person is a Terroist  tedman | 02/11/05
Is that like..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Ted Kennedy already thought of that  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
Right to anonymity  tic swayback | 02/11/05
Excellent post Tic!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/05
BRAVO!!!  FreeBSD | 02/11/05
you can travel fine...  doh123 | 02/11/05
Should that be up to the government?  tic swayback | 02/11/05
So the governmen is off the hook, they'll be relieved.  BigHeat | 02/11/05
Karl Rove loves this law!  tl.eckels@... | 02/11/05
Anonymity  bhartman24 | 02/12/05
Point often missed  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
Except you shouldn't be compelled  voska | 02/14/05
Our courts  Spoon Jabber | 02/14/05
The police and "ID"  bhartman24 | 02/14/05
in NY no ID won't get you arrested but can extend hold time if you are.  GreatInca | 02/14/05
Bhartman, GreatInca  Spoon Jabber | 02/14/05
Suggestion for new motto  Chad_z | 02/11/05
Good One Chad....  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Even without 9/11 this was bound to happen eventually  George Jay | 02/11/05
Punishing the law abiders  tic swayback | 02/11/05
First of all I do not sign up for those or any cards.  Laff | 02/11/05
How is it different?  bit_rot | 02/11/05
I wonder what Usama thinks about this  dave95 | 02/11/05
You are not required to give legit info  voska | 02/11/05
Yeah.. They are in control..  FreeBSD | 02/11/05
us constitution is it protecting us or not ? or is itreal ?  M_c | 02/11/05
Has the Senate voted yet?  Michael Kelly | 02/11/05
Where are the conservatives when we really need them?  tic swayback | 02/11/05
The cards are a great idea.  BXLE | 02/11/05
Well "OIL" is used in the manufactering of plastics...:)  Laff | 02/11/05
And you can't spell "turmoil" without "oil"  tic swayback | 02/11/05
More Evidence Bush Dropped The Ball On 9/11  itanalyst | 02/11/05
Old news  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
Read the early 90's *The New World Order*  NotMSUser | 02/11/05
And..  Jeff Spicoli | 02/11/05
A few sincere questions - we need progress, how do we get there?  BigHeat | 02/11/05
My thoughts so far ... maybe I'll change my mind w/ your suggestions.  BigHeat | 02/11/05
What does it matter that with National Id's we know  Laff | 02/11/05
You dodged the questions. wink  BigHeat | 02/11/05
Sorry I did not intend to dodge anything..however the  Laff | 02/11/05
Its impact is indeed terrifying.  BigHeat | 02/11/05
OK...but new cells keep coming. It is an impressive  Laff | 02/11/05
Side note, still related  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
I think I'm using the "slippery slope" arguement.  Laff | 02/13/05
That's clearer, thanks Laff (NT)  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
I'll take a stab at it...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/05
Some nice thoughts, but a few more questions.  BigHeat | 02/11/05
Easy..  Patrick Jones | 02/11/05
Is there any reasonable suggestion to be offered?  BigHeat | 02/11/05
Contradictory  Spoon Jabber | 02/13/05
A few sincere answers  Squawkbox | 02/11/05
That's more like it.  BigHeat | 02/11/05
What is wrong with you people!!!  doh123 | 02/11/05
Rubbush  none none | 02/11/05
England did the same thing  osreinstall | 02/11/05
Next: Bio powered RFID at birth.  tl.eckels@... | 02/11/05
ACLU Agrees Wtih Gun Lobby  Pinkerton | 02/13/05
US Constitution & Amendments  osreinstall | 02/13/05
Real ID Act , Good or Bad; You Decide  Bernal | 02/14/05
Old School, No Static ?  ParadigmOdyssey | 02/14/05
Smart cards are readily cracked and copied in asia.  GreatInca | 02/14/05

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