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Wow, Linux_user.... just wow.
*Health care is not covered as a right. Go back and read the Constitution again. Read the Bill of Rights again as well. Nowhere in either document does it mention health care being a right. Also it clearly defines what a legal resident is entitled to for rights and that illegals have none. Not even by proxy. You see, I studied these documents as well. Because I spent 14 years defending them.

Inalienable rights, Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So, if we have a right to life, we have a right to things that keep us living. What does that, praytell? Healthcare? As for illegal immigrants, you get to pay for their health either way. Either the cheaper way, or the costs of them going to EMERGENCY rooms. Your choice.

*Sorry but you and your liberal ilk are why we are heading down the tubes. As for doubting my arse busting, walk a mile in my shoes bud... until then you haven't a clue. And no, I am not some well off snob, just an average Joe that works hard for what he has. I may not have personally done anything 235 years ago, but my family sure did. They fought the Red Coats and the Tories and kick their arses the hell on out and created a country. One of my ancestors (still validating the connection... but so far it looks to be accurate) signed the Declaration of Independence and was a Secretary of Treasury as well as one of the authors of the Constitution and the Federalist Papers which clearly define the intent of many of the Amendments within the Constitution.

I'd blame that on starting a war, and giving two tax cuts. A lack of regulation is a second ingredient. Mix it with a lack of actually good education, and what do you have? A FAILED ECONOMY. Also, your family might have done a lot back then, but from what I've seen you post? You value words on a paper more than anything. You'd be a British citizen.

*
I don't care what they do to each other. Let them kill each other off if that's what they want. But I do care because their violence spills over into the peaceful citizenry that has no desire to be involved with such moronic behavior. So in that light it is my problem and I do care. Especially when good LAW abiding citizens are living in needless fear. The police are all but helpless against theses gangs, thanks to bleeding hearts like yourself. And so are many citizens, again thanks to bleeding hearts such as yourself.

Thanks to politicians of both sides, actually, who rely on their votes to get them elected. Immigrants gave GW 2000 and 2004, do you think he actually tried to do anything about it?

*First off our economy in California is not based on the movie industry alone, we still have Silicon valley a massive agricultural base as well as alternative power manufacturing industries. Our fiscal problems stem from several issues. One being the massive drain by illegals on our medical systems as well as the money that is exported from the California economy to the Mexican economy. Another issue is the damn liberals... again, pushing regulations and taxing businesses right out of the state. Then factor in the housing bubble that just burst last year. So no there are many aspects to the problem. And the easiest to address is the illegal immigrant issue.

Our economy tanking had little to do with the illegal "issue" and everything with poor management. See, a lack of regulation aided the financial sector by not making them actually make fiscally responsible decisions. It also made sure that GM didn't have to increase their efficiency (notice that Toyota didn't have to declare bankruptcy!), and another is healthcare. You realize that Canada gets industry we don't because their single payer system is cheaper for businesses? Also, and this is probably going to be ignored, but also blame the current state of unions. The UAW is bleeding GM dry.

*No actually what is making it dangerous for Americans to travel abroad is our not adhering to our Constitutional mandates. If we would stop meddling in other countries affairs and stop over throwing foreign governments and stop invading sovereign nations then we wouldn't be so despised. But because both the Democrats and Republicans (of which neither am I affiliated with) have veered away from our Constitution, we as a nation are suffering. And the liberal way is not the way to get back on track. Reeling corporate power back under it's original tenets and going back to our core Constitutional way of governance and stop meddling in the affairs of other sovereign nations then we can truly fix things. Health care is not a right and the government, the REPUBLIC of America, we are not and never have been a Democracy and any that say we are are either blithering idiots or liberals intent on undermining the Republic. Reigning in the abusive corporate entities that are driving our health care costs are the solution. Not socialized medicine.

This rant just made you sound like a nutjob.
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My top 5  zmud | 07/16/09
2 remarks  nizuse | 07/16/09
Here's why your comlpaints are misguided  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
Seriously?  henrikjahn1 | 07/16/09
response  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
Nonsense  djsmith@... | 07/17/09
That's the sad thing about the koolaid drinkers  20kwfence | 07/17/09
Well, I give up  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
Words from Obama:  goff256 | 07/22/09
What a Waste  henrikjahn1 | 07/17/09
Ignorant and short-sighted  kckn4fun | 07/17/09
How Sad  henrikjahn1 | 07/18/09
Yep, they'll pay. Oh boy will they pay!  goff256 | 07/22/09
On illegals  Linux User 147560 | 07/16/09
wow  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
Idealistic or not  Linux User 147560 | 07/17/09
Reality check  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
Your experience is limited.  Linux User 147560 | 07/17/09
@Linux User  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
Thought this was over?  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
Wow, Linux_user.... just wow.  goff256 | 07/22/09
I don't quit...  Linux User 147560 | 07/22/09
The constituion isn't against them doing things like this.  goff256 | 07/22/09
Rules only apply to the poor then?  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
Double WOW  20kwfence | 07/17/09
umm, yea, that was kind of the point  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
Sorry but you need to go back to school...  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
Linux...  goff256 | 07/22/09
On illegals  bwchato | 07/17/09
On Illegals  markwoo1969@... | 07/17/09
On iIlegals  tu02 | 07/17/09
In the infamous words of Samuel L. Jackson...  Linux User 147560 | 07/17/09
It may be the national language but...  josephmartins | 07/18/09
lol THANK you  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
Sorry but I do not recognize ebonics.  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
American English or  goff256 | 07/22/09
And what language was spoken...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
Not really  goff256 | 07/22/09
What a simple world you live in...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
Response  itpro_z | 07/16/09
Response to your response  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
Response:  goff256 | 07/17/09
Back at ya  Linux User 147560 | 07/17/09
Interesting  goff256 | 07/18/09
Some I agree with and some I don't.  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
I forgot to ask  goff256 | 07/21/09
At this time  Linux User 147560 | 07/21/09
Government health is better than none!  sclearo@... | 07/17/09
1 in 3 Americans...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
Agreed  mtgarden | 07/16/09
because they will consume it....  JoeMama_z | 07/16/09
Umm  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
The problem is....  arivlin | 07/16/09
school analogy  conspicuouschick | 07/17/09
Pharma companies do not conduct research  p.vinnie@... | 07/16/09
Absolutely  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
Profits should be limited...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
Here are people doing research  cmsmith1@... | 07/19/09
Reason 0: Too much regulation  LBiege | 07/16/09
Wrong - Not enough regulation  Unix Pimp | 07/16/09
Government cannot regulate jack  LBiege | 07/16/09
And a logical response  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
Regulation, to a point  20kwfence | 07/17/09
Actually...  goff256 | 07/18/09
What part of fairlyland do you live in?  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
Please  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
A funny story...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
I agree for the most part  leeshor@... | 07/17/09
Yep, I agree  kcredden2 | 07/16/09
Couldn't agree more  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
Put the blame where it lies...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
My friend had a good solution to this  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
How about..  vbp1 | 07/21/09
I agree  T1Oracle | 07/16/09
A doctor's opinion  dzhall | 07/16/09
Medical Liability reform issues  danbpc | 07/17/09
Pharmaceutical Scams  Donibon | 07/19/09
Another huge reason that was missed ...  fejlinton | 07/19/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  mazer1310 | 07/16/09
Very good point  arivlin | 07/16/09
The crazy cost issue  Al S Cook | 07/17/09
Misguided Patriotism  shaf_90@... | 07/17/09
No we don't  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
The Constitution isn't against it, nor is the bill of rights  goff256 | 07/21/09
But when people  Linux User 147560 | 07/21/09
We have moved past John Lucke  goff256 | 07/22/09
THANK you!  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
True enough....  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
How about...  goff256 | 07/21/09
Cheating?  JayRenn | 07/16/09
Umm  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
There are only a couple good reasons.  arivlin | 07/16/09
Agreed  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
Socialism only works if...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
On socialism  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  jolleytime | 07/16/09
About community  Uncle Ebeneezer | 07/17/09
Look at New Orleans...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
sense of entitlement  conspicuouschick | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  slough22 | 07/16/09
Weak  Uncle Ebeneezer | 07/17/09
What about the lawyers that.....  The_Grabber | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  barleyguy | 07/17/09
Eh... Not so fast.  Uncle Ebeneezer | 07/17/09
Amen  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
You're Missing What's Essential to Your Argument  jolleytime | 07/17/09
Another thing, the insurance companies are keeping most of the money.  barleyguy | 07/17/09
Interesting Point  Uncle Ebeneezer | 07/17/09
A good point about bureaucracy.  arivlin | 07/17/09
Profits  barleyguy | 07/17/09
Insurance  dbradleythomas@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  yalehaus@... | 07/17/09
Karma  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
No connection between the consumer and the cost  dferguson75@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  davidjbaldwin@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  fhannaford | 07/17/09
Yes  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  Gyula Bognar, Jr. | 07/17/09
I have one quibble  twirth5@... | 07/17/09
My Top 5  greg@... | 07/17/09
#1 reason is  winddrift03 | 07/17/09
My vote for Greedy Profit Mongers  bgrandjean | 07/17/09
Do you read it over before you post?  goff256 | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  sfriedrich | 07/17/09
Problems? Concerns?  Mr_Wizard | 07/17/09
Why did you deliberately not debate Obama's Health Care Plan?  LarryPTL | 07/17/09
Where do you get your facts?  shaf_90@... | 07/17/09
These are...  goff256 | 07/22/09
many people came to the US for medical care  ffchang@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  jh7468@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  mjmce | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  danbpc | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  tzones2006@... | 07/17/09
We have disconnected the consumer from the payer  bgrandjean | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  jstar2@... | 07/17/09
Reason #2  dcashin007@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  markwoo1969@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons #3  leeshor@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  MikeBytes@... | 07/17/09
We have meet the enemy, and he is us  tzcannon | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  dixon757@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  The_Grabber | 07/17/09
Greed, greed, greed - and incompetence  dl@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  darompel@... | 07/17/09
Insurance, public and private, is THE reason!  Gaius_Maximus | 07/17/09
My Neighbor Chooses NOT to buy healthcare  VoiceOfLogic | 07/17/09
Socialism works fine  VoiceOfLogic | 07/17/09
Elections Have Consquences  VoiceOfLogic | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  Jim5506 | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  bobc4012@... | 07/18/09
Not sure what you mean?  arivlin | 07/18/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  tdellape69 | 07/18/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  FreeloaderFred | 07/18/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  FatNSassy | 07/18/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  poundpod@... | 07/18/09
Another Doctor's opinion: #5 is a complete lie  astropiper | 07/18/09
"complete" is quite overstated  arivlin | 07/18/09
OR  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
Canada rations everything and it isn't anywhere close  katrillionaire@... | 07/18/09
Well, maybe  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
WOW!  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
Those are myths  goff256 | 07/19/09
Actaully we do  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
We do what?  goff256 | 07/21/09
We have quality health care  Linux User 147560 | 07/21/09
Everything isn't black and white.  goff256 | 07/22/09
Managing Illness is Profitable Too - Why Can't Big Pharma Pay to Play?  donnydo77@... | 07/19/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  NordicUP | 07/19/09
Healthcare is Personal not National!!!1  HADaniel3 | 07/19/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  damasterwc | 07/19/09
at the risk of  chaz15 | 07/19/09
Point 2 proves why Universal Healthcare is bad.  cmsmith1@... | 07/19/09
Dude  goff256 | 07/20/09
Alex, wake up! De-regulate now  pranavb99@... | 07/19/09
Deregulate?  goff256 | 07/20/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  booinw@... | 07/19/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  afcas86@... | 07/20/09
???  goff256 | 07/20/09
US the most expensive health care system in the world  rmanbike | 07/20/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  bb_apptix | 07/20/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  vlnek | 07/20/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  fbguimaraes@... | 07/20/09
Reason Number 1 - Balderdash!  Cardhu | 07/20/09
You misunderstood  arivlin | 07/20/09
Bingo!  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
Mine Is A Truly Dissenting Opinion  Cardhu | 07/22/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  samtronik | 07/21/09
Bring on the single-payer system  goff256 | 07/21/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  zarman | 07/28/09
I Wholeheartedly Agree  Cardhu | 07/29/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  weichelb@... | 07/28/09
Dear Monkey  AlGruber | 08/10/09

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