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Here's why your comlpaints are misguided
1. Illegal aliens. If we don't insure them, they'll go to the emergency room. Emergency room costs more then preventative medicine. Hence, including illegal aliens lowers cost in the long run if they are educated to use it for preventative measures. Is it a challange? Yes, yes it is, but fact remains.

2. Congressmen excluded - I'll give you that one. GOod point.

3. Private health plans - if they can't compete they need to go out of business anyway. Its how capitalism works. I thought you right-wingers were all about that - you know.. free market always can do stuff cheaper then government? Well, time to put your money where your mouth is.

4. another trillion over 10 years. OK. Now tell me the expected costs associated with health problems that arise as a result of people NOT being insured. You know what THAT answer is?

Well, "according to the 2007 Milken Institute report, An Unhealthy America: The Economic Burden of Chronic Disease, the implementation of a national effort focused on prevention, early detection and chronic disease management could save the country hundreds of billions annually, with savings surpassing a trillion dollars annually in about 15 years."
(source: http://www.uspreventivemedicine.com/News/Press-Room/USPM-News/U-S--Preventive-Medicine---Healthcare-Savings-More.aspx)

So an extra trillion over the next 10 years compared to a trillion in savings EVERY YEAR. now lets see.. what is 10 x $1,000,000,000. Wheres my calculator again?

THe point here is that you citing the extra costs without also citing the associated cost savings in other areas is naiive, short sighted, and a terrible way to think about the issue.

5. Disincentive to become doctor - this was already responded to by someone more knowlegable then I on this topic so I'll let that argument rest. But you know, there ARE people who actually become doctors because, you know, its their passion and interest, not $$$. People caring about $$$ go to business or law school (or at least they used to, and probably will again in 3-5 when credit markets free up again).

In conclusion, I hope you reconsider your opinion on the issue and do some further research. As it is, you are simply quoting various propaganda that has little basis in logic or fact.

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My top 5  zmud | 07/16/09
2 remarks  nizuse | 07/16/09
Here's why your comlpaints are misguided  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
Seriously?  henrikjahn1 | 07/16/09
response  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
Nonsense  djsmith@... | 07/17/09
That's the sad thing about the koolaid drinkers  20kwfence | 07/17/09
Well, I give up  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
Words from Obama:  goff256 | 07/22/09
What a Waste  henrikjahn1 | 07/17/09
Ignorant and short-sighted  kckn4fun | 07/17/09
How Sad  henrikjahn1 | 07/18/09
Yep, they'll pay. Oh boy will they pay!  goff256 | 07/22/09
On illegals  Linux User 147560 | 07/16/09
wow  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
Idealistic or not  Linux User 147560 | 07/17/09
Reality check  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
Your experience is limited.  Linux User 147560 | 07/17/09
@Linux User  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
Thought this was over?  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
Wow, Linux_user.... just wow.  goff256 | 07/22/09
I don't quit...  Linux User 147560 | 07/22/09
The constituion isn't against them doing things like this.  goff256 | 07/22/09
Rules only apply to the poor then?  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
Double WOW  20kwfence | 07/17/09
umm, yea, that was kind of the point  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
Sorry but you need to go back to school...  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
Linux...  goff256 | 07/22/09
On illegals  bwchato | 07/17/09
On Illegals  markwoo1969@... | 07/17/09
On iIlegals  tu02 | 07/17/09
In the infamous words of Samuel L. Jackson...  Linux User 147560 | 07/17/09
It may be the national language but...  josephmartins | 07/18/09
lol THANK you  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
Sorry but I do not recognize ebonics.  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
American English or  goff256 | 07/22/09
And what language was spoken...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
Not really  goff256 | 07/22/09
What a simple world you live in...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
Response  itpro_z | 07/16/09
Response to your response  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
Response:  goff256 | 07/17/09
Back at ya  Linux User 147560 | 07/17/09
Interesting  goff256 | 07/18/09
Some I agree with and some I don't.  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
I forgot to ask  goff256 | 07/21/09
At this time  Linux User 147560 | 07/21/09
Government health is better than none!  sclearo@... | 07/17/09
1 in 3 Americans...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
Agreed  mtgarden | 07/16/09
because they will consume it....  JoeMama_z | 07/16/09
Umm  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
The problem is....  arivlin | 07/16/09
school analogy  conspicuouschick | 07/17/09
Pharma companies do not conduct research  p.vinnie@... | 07/16/09
Absolutely  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
Profits should be limited...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
Here are people doing research  cmsmith1@... | 07/19/09
Reason 0: Too much regulation  LBiege | 07/16/09
Wrong - Not enough regulation  Unix Pimp | 07/16/09
Government cannot regulate jack  LBiege | 07/16/09
And a logical response  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
Regulation, to a point  20kwfence | 07/17/09
Actually...  goff256 | 07/18/09
What part of fairlyland do you live in?  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
Please  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
A funny story...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
I agree for the most part  leeshor@... | 07/17/09
Yep, I agree  kcredden2 | 07/16/09
Couldn't agree more  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
Put the blame where it lies...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
My friend had a good solution to this  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
How about..  vbp1 | 07/21/09
I agree  T1Oracle | 07/16/09
A doctor's opinion  dzhall | 07/16/09
Medical Liability reform issues  danbpc | 07/17/09
Pharmaceutical Scams  Donibon | 07/19/09
Another huge reason that was missed ...  fejlinton | 07/19/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  mazer1310 | 07/16/09
Very good point  arivlin | 07/16/09
The crazy cost issue  Al S Cook | 07/17/09
Misguided Patriotism  shaf_90@... | 07/17/09
No we don't  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
The Constitution isn't against it, nor is the bill of rights  goff256 | 07/21/09
But when people  Linux User 147560 | 07/21/09
We have moved past John Lucke  goff256 | 07/22/09
THANK you!  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
True enough....  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
How about...  goff256 | 07/21/09
Cheating?  JayRenn | 07/16/09
Umm  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
There are only a couple good reasons.  arivlin | 07/16/09
Agreed  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
Socialism only works if...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
On socialism  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  gnesterenko | 07/16/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  jolleytime | 07/16/09
About community  Uncle Ebeneezer | 07/17/09
Look at New Orleans...  Marty R. Milette | 07/18/09
sense of entitlement  conspicuouschick | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  slough22 | 07/16/09
Weak  Uncle Ebeneezer | 07/17/09
What about the lawyers that.....  The_Grabber | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  barleyguy | 07/17/09
Eh... Not so fast.  Uncle Ebeneezer | 07/17/09
Amen  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
You're Missing What's Essential to Your Argument  jolleytime | 07/17/09
Another thing, the insurance companies are keeping most of the money.  barleyguy | 07/17/09
Interesting Point  Uncle Ebeneezer | 07/17/09
A good point about bureaucracy.  arivlin | 07/17/09
Profits  barleyguy | 07/17/09
Insurance  dbradleythomas@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  yalehaus@... | 07/17/09
Karma  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
No connection between the consumer and the cost  dferguson75@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  davidjbaldwin@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  fhannaford | 07/17/09
Yes  gnesterenko | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  Gyula Bognar, Jr. | 07/17/09
I have one quibble  twirth5@... | 07/17/09
My Top 5  greg@... | 07/17/09
#1 reason is  winddrift03 | 07/17/09
My vote for Greedy Profit Mongers  bgrandjean | 07/17/09
Do you read it over before you post?  goff256 | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  sfriedrich | 07/17/09
Problems? Concerns?  Mr_Wizard | 07/17/09
Why did you deliberately not debate Obama's Health Care Plan?  LarryPTL | 07/17/09
Where do you get your facts?  shaf_90@... | 07/17/09
These are...  goff256 | 07/22/09
many people came to the US for medical care  ffchang@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  jh7468@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  mjmce | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  danbpc | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  tzones2006@... | 07/17/09
We have disconnected the consumer from the payer  bgrandjean | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  jstar2@... | 07/17/09
Reason #2  dcashin007@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  markwoo1969@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons #3  leeshor@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  MikeBytes@... | 07/17/09
We have meet the enemy, and he is us  tzcannon | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  dixon757@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  The_Grabber | 07/17/09
Greed, greed, greed - and incompetence  dl@... | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  darompel@... | 07/17/09
Insurance, public and private, is THE reason!  Gaius_Maximus | 07/17/09
My Neighbor Chooses NOT to buy healthcare  VoiceOfLogic | 07/17/09
Socialism works fine  VoiceOfLogic | 07/17/09
Elections Have Consquences  VoiceOfLogic | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  Jim5506 | 07/17/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  bobc4012@... | 07/18/09
Not sure what you mean?  arivlin | 07/18/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  tdellape69 | 07/18/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  FreeloaderFred | 07/18/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  FatNSassy | 07/18/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  poundpod@... | 07/18/09
Another Doctor's opinion: #5 is a complete lie  astropiper | 07/18/09
"complete" is quite overstated  arivlin | 07/18/09
OR  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
Canada rations everything and it isn't anywhere close  katrillionaire@... | 07/18/09
Well, maybe  gnesterenko | 07/18/09
WOW!  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
Those are myths  goff256 | 07/19/09
Actaully we do  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
We do what?  goff256 | 07/21/09
We have quality health care  Linux User 147560 | 07/21/09
Everything isn't black and white.  goff256 | 07/22/09
Managing Illness is Profitable Too - Why Can't Big Pharma Pay to Play?  donnydo77@... | 07/19/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  NordicUP | 07/19/09
Healthcare is Personal not National!!!1  HADaniel3 | 07/19/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  damasterwc | 07/19/09
at the risk of  chaz15 | 07/19/09
Point 2 proves why Universal Healthcare is bad.  cmsmith1@... | 07/19/09
Dude  goff256 | 07/20/09
Alex, wake up! De-regulate now  pranavb99@... | 07/19/09
Deregulate?  goff256 | 07/20/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  booinw@... | 07/19/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  afcas86@... | 07/20/09
???  goff256 | 07/20/09
US the most expensive health care system in the world  rmanbike | 07/20/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  bb_apptix | 07/20/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  vlnek | 07/20/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  fbguimaraes@... | 07/20/09
Reason Number 1 - Balderdash!  Cardhu | 07/20/09
You misunderstood  arivlin | 07/20/09
Bingo!  Linux User 147560 | 07/20/09
Mine Is A Truly Dissenting Opinion  Cardhu | 07/22/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  samtronik | 07/21/09
Bring on the single-payer system  goff256 | 07/21/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  zarman | 07/28/09
I Wholeheartedly Agree  Cardhu | 07/29/09
RE: Top 5 reasons healthcare in America is broken  weichelb@... | 07/28/09
Dear Monkey  AlGruber | 08/10/09

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