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The trick with low pay is missed by John Carroll, you and millions others. The trick is that EVERY H1B worker comes through middleman to the USA. Those can be called contractors, consulting companies etc. Almost none of them are direct employers with ongoing project. Companies having projects are just clients to middle man at some point. Middle man is usually small (these days they got far bigger, but dies to outsourcing overseas rather than getting H1B workers).

Now statistics can be obtained from direct employer - middle man - or client paying for the job. The middle man frequently took half of our salary. We were bound by US legal contracts and we agreed to that low salaries which still were above what we could get in our countries (they had to be or one would want escape contry for some other reason).

Actually the chain of employment was much longer in the past. I worked for a contractor who worked for large consulting company and that consulting company put us on a project at client's place.

If you count how much they took from our work we easily dropped to 30-50% of what was paid to direct employee or consultant. Those lucky once with green cards or citizenship could easily make $50-$80 per hour (yes, that's true!... and multiply that by about 2000-2200 hours of work yearly) while many of us were making about $20 frequently for the same job (not always though as foreigners tend to be trearted as juniors in the USA while sometimes having more experience than project leader... only for example from Europe which made things very funny sometimes).
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European friends in America...  dg mh | 11/25/03
All sides are visible  michael-t | 11/25/03
Why don't you give them your job.  adocann@... | 11/25/03
Oh come on...  serpentmage | 11/25/03
Join reality dude  GRindinAxTaRupy | 11/25/03
Give it up  OhMyGosh | 12/04/03
He can't. He doesn't live in the US now.  Taz_z | 11/25/03
Don't get bitter  Fred Fredrickson | 11/25/03
Right...exactly...uh-huh  GRindinAxTaRupy | 11/25/03
cheap?  Joe Blow_z | 11/25/03
The bottom line matters...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/26/03
And debt matters...  Oggie_z | 11/26/03
false thinking  blahblahblah | 12/02/03
Are you totally ignorant?  NoB$ | 12/02/03
Bitterness has nothing to do with it  Taz_z | 11/26/03
Excellent  Fred Fredrickson | 11/26/03
Impression vs. Reality  michael-t | 11/25/03
The reality is quite different than your impression  mzarra | 11/26/03
Are you qualified to opine on this matter?  betelgeuse68 | 11/25/03
Exactly  GRindinAxTaRupy | 11/25/03
Why is ZDnet re-running this old piece?  Jose Jimenez | 11/25/03
Old Article  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/26/03
Cheap, logicless statement  Robert Crocker | 11/26/03
The ad hominem canard  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/26/03
Playing stupid as always John  GRindinAxTaRupy | 11/26/03
H1B is part of the problem  mzarra | 11/26/03
Couple of comments  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/27/03
Sorry, sadly, you're wrong  el1jones | 11/26/03
But...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/27/03
wrong on most counts..  dotkayk@... | 12/02/03
Low pay  FirstNLastN | 12/02/03
Yes John, but...  A.Sinic | 12/05/03
H-1B and outsourcing reality  Oggie_z | 11/26/03
Panic article  FirstNLastN | 12/02/03
No, it's shining more light on the subject  Oggie_z | 12/03/03
Temper, temper, John  Robert Crocker | 12/01/03
No, you said just what I thought you said  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 12/01/03
Channelling for me now?  Robert Crocker | 12/02/03
Now this is interesting...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 12/03/03
next time use the WHOLE quote  Robert Crocker | 12/02/03
I'd have an easier time accepting that...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 12/03/03
Stupid talk back thread limit  Robert Crocker | 12/05/03
By the way...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/26/03
offshore hiring  tprince@... | 11/26/03
Economy Growth Stunted?  TMS_z | 12/04/03
Funny article  bgoss@... | 11/26/03
Haven't changed your mind since??  Anton Philidor | 11/26/03
John John John  bessermt | 11/27/03
ya wanna know what i think?  bumhead | 11/29/03
Harm of H1B - disagreed  FirstNLastN | 12/02/03
I agree  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 12/03/03
One point agreed.  FirstNLastN | 12/02/03
This has nothing to do with reality  wresnick | 12/03/03
H1-b visa are NOT tracked  rdwilliamsjr | 12/03/03

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