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Temper, temper, John
Someone get stiffed for the bill at the local pub?

Really, if you'd get past your position and go back and READ my post you'll see that I made a completely different point than you've tried to characterize.

Here it is again:
The fact was (and still is) that while the CONCEPT of H1-B visas were quite good the RESULT of those visas were that highly qualified foreign workers were being exploited while highly qualified US workers were being ignored. The game has always been to craft the "job requirements" as narrowly as possible and thus ignore the benefits of retraining and retaining the workforce already present.

I'm saying that H1-B as IMPLEMENTED exploits BOTH foreign and domestic workers. The result now is that you have these IT job postings that are alphabet soup demanding rediculous amounts of extremely specific abilities without any thought going into how you might retain and retrain your current workforce (both foreign and domestic). H1-B and the temp force approach to IT in general are just ways for lazy management types to keep headcount down without any thought to quality.
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Give it up  OhMyGosh | 12/04/03
He can't. He doesn't live in the US now.  Taz_z | 11/25/03
Don't get bitter  Fred Fredrickson | 11/25/03
Right...exactly...uh-huh  GRindinAxTaRupy | 11/25/03
cheap?  Joe Blow_z | 11/25/03
The bottom line matters...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/26/03
And debt matters...  Oggie_z | 11/26/03
false thinking  blahblahblah | 12/02/03
Are you totally ignorant?  NoB$ | 12/02/03
Bitterness has nothing to do with it  Taz_z | 11/26/03
Excellent  Fred Fredrickson | 11/26/03
Impression vs. Reality  michael-t | 11/25/03
The reality is quite different than your impression  mzarra | 11/26/03
Are you qualified to opine on this matter?  betelgeuse68 | 11/25/03
Exactly  GRindinAxTaRupy | 11/25/03
Why is ZDnet re-running this old piece?  Jose Jimenez | 11/25/03
Old Article  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/26/03
Cheap, logicless statement  Robert Crocker | 11/26/03
The ad hominem canard  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/26/03
Playing stupid as always John  GRindinAxTaRupy | 11/26/03
H1B is part of the problem  mzarra | 11/26/03
Couple of comments  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/27/03
Sorry, sadly, you're wrong  el1jones | 11/26/03
But...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/27/03
wrong on most counts..  dotkayk@... | 12/02/03
Low pay  FirstNLastN | 12/02/03
Yes John, but...  A.Sinic | 12/05/03
H-1B and outsourcing reality  Oggie_z | 11/26/03
Panic article  FirstNLastN | 12/02/03
No, it's shining more light on the subject  Oggie_z | 12/03/03
Temper, temper, John  Robert Crocker | 12/01/03
No, you said just what I thought you said  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 12/01/03
Channelling for me now?  Robert Crocker | 12/02/03
Now this is interesting...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 12/03/03
next time use the WHOLE quote  Robert Crocker | 12/02/03
I'd have an easier time accepting that...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 12/03/03
Stupid talk back thread limit  Robert Crocker | 12/05/03
By the way...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/26/03
offshore hiring  tprince@... | 11/26/03
Economy Growth Stunted?  TMS_z | 12/04/03
Funny article  bgoss@... | 11/26/03
Haven't changed your mind since??  Anton Philidor | 11/26/03
John John John  bessermt | 11/27/03
ya wanna know what i think?  bumhead | 11/29/03
Harm of H1B - disagreed  FirstNLastN | 12/02/03
I agree  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 12/03/03
One point agreed.  FirstNLastN | 12/02/03
This has nothing to do with reality  wresnick | 12/03/03
H1-b visa are NOT tracked  rdwilliamsjr | 12/03/03

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