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The ad hominem canard
How does my being in Europe have ANYTHING to do with this discussion, except as a way to let YOU not think about the issues I pose? Do you honestly think that it is easier for an American to get a job in Europe, given the tangle of regulations which exist to prevent Americans from doing just that?

As for the claim that American workers were being "exploited," bullsh*t. American workers were being forced to compete with foreigners who were AS qualified, and paid ALMOST the same amount of money as foreign workers. Free trade is wonderful when it's just autoworkers in detroit who have to face competition. When its IT workers with high salaries and stellar benefits, no way, time to put up the steelclad import barriers and hold out the labor competition.

But that's all immaterial, because the H-1B program brought in a ridiculously small number of extra workers into the United States. And besides your attempt to downplay the REAL issue (which is IT outsourcing), you are doing yourself no favors when they can't bring foreign workers to the United States. When they bring foreign workers over, they automatically become MORE expensive than if they stayed in the home country, because America has a more expensive standard of living and they will OF NECESSITY have to pay them more than if they just left those workers at home. In other words, you make outsourcing even MORE appealing because they CAN'T bring that worker stateside.

You want to pretend that H-1B is a cause of the difficulties currently faced by American IT workers, that's your problem. But don't expect me to go along with it.
Posted by: John Carroll   Posted on: 11/26/03 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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European friends in America...  dg mh | 11/25/03
All sides are visible  michael-t | 11/25/03
Why don't you give them your job.  adocann@... | 11/25/03
Oh come on...  serpentmage | 11/25/03
Join reality dude  GRindinAxTaRupy | 11/25/03
Give it up  OhMyGosh | 12/04/03
He can't. He doesn't live in the US now.  Taz_z | 11/25/03
Don't get bitter  Fred Fredrickson | 11/25/03
Right...exactly...uh-huh  GRindinAxTaRupy | 11/25/03
cheap?  Joe Blow_z | 11/25/03
The bottom line matters...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/26/03
And debt matters...  Oggie_z | 11/26/03
false thinking  blahblahblah | 12/02/03
Are you totally ignorant?  NoB$ | 12/02/03
Bitterness has nothing to do with it  Taz_z | 11/26/03
Excellent  Fred Fredrickson | 11/26/03
Impression vs. Reality  michael-t | 11/25/03
The reality is quite different than your impression  mzarra | 11/26/03
Are you qualified to opine on this matter?  betelgeuse68 | 11/25/03
Exactly  GRindinAxTaRupy | 11/25/03
Why is ZDnet re-running this old piece?  Jose Jimenez | 11/25/03
Old Article  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/26/03
Cheap, logicless statement  Robert Crocker | 11/26/03
The ad hominem canard  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/26/03
Playing stupid as always John  GRindinAxTaRupy | 11/26/03
H1B is part of the problem  mzarra | 11/26/03
Couple of comments  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/27/03
Sorry, sadly, you're wrong  el1jones | 11/26/03
But...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/27/03
wrong on most counts..  dotkayk@... | 12/02/03
Low pay  FirstNLastN | 12/02/03
Yes John, but...  A.Sinic | 12/05/03
H-1B and outsourcing reality  Oggie_z | 11/26/03
Panic article  FirstNLastN | 12/02/03
No, it's shining more light on the subject  Oggie_z | 12/03/03
Temper, temper, John  Robert Crocker | 12/01/03
No, you said just what I thought you said  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 12/01/03
Channelling for me now?  Robert Crocker | 12/02/03
Now this is interesting...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 12/03/03
next time use the WHOLE quote  Robert Crocker | 12/02/03
I'd have an easier time accepting that...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 12/03/03
Stupid talk back thread limit  Robert Crocker | 12/05/03
By the way...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/26/03
offshore hiring  tprince@... | 11/26/03
Economy Growth Stunted?  TMS_z | 12/04/03
Funny article  bgoss@... | 11/26/03
Haven't changed your mind since??  Anton Philidor | 11/26/03
John John John  bessermt | 11/27/03
ya wanna know what i think?  bumhead | 11/29/03
Harm of H1B - disagreed  FirstNLastN | 12/02/03
I agree  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 12/03/03
One point agreed.  FirstNLastN | 12/02/03
This has nothing to do with reality  wresnick | 12/03/03
H1-b visa are NOT tracked  rdwilliamsjr | 12/03/03

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