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That God ordaining thing always confussed me.
It seems to go directly against the concept of FREE
WiILL. Same with miracles. After all "IF" I using my
free will get on a plane that is going to go down in a
fiery crash killing all aboard by me (because God has a
plan for me) well that is counter to my free will. My will
brought me to that point, and I should get the results of
my will..good or bad.

I have faced death on numerous occasions in my life,
and by all rational measurements I should be dead
several times over. Mother is convinced God has
some plan for me. From what I can tell it is a slow pain
filled death. Which I tend to resent. My deaths in a
Insulin induced coma just came up on me without
warning and I might have died without the benefit of
having to think about it or worry..the PERFECT death if
one were to ask me. One moment I'm there..then next
not. Wonderful...butt no, I keep living through it. Even
while driving my car like 70mph on the highway and
crashing while blacked out due to insulin. DAMN IT!

hee hee hee snicker.

So "IF" God ordaines a leader..does that not go against
free will?

Frankly I'm not a BIG FAN of the concept of GOD and if
llife was his/her gift too me I only wish he/she would not
take offense if I just said thanks but no thanks and he/
she let me return to oblivion. NO big suffering
punishment for not being thrilled with his/her gift..just
oblivion for me please. To me a gift with strings
attached is no gift at all..but rather an obligation. It
allso seems to be that my life was not so much a gift
with my welll being in mind..but rather something to
appease God and God's selff interest in mind. Nobody
has ever said that none existance was a bad thing. No
suffering or anthing like that...so too my humble opinion
it seems pretty sweet:)

I would simply preffer to say to both God and Satan (If
they exist at all) Thanks guys but no...this is NOT for
me, and you God can cancel my ticket anytime now. I
would prefer if you did it while I slept but if you want to
be a jerk about it go ahead. Just let me slip back into
oblivion and you two can keep arm wrestling for all
eternity as far as I'm concerned..I just don't want to
play. OK?

God ordaining my leader!?! Like that's the LAST thing I
want. I like my freedom way too much to turn it over to
anyone or anything.

But that's just me I suppose....

"All glory and praise to LOKI"

Pagan jim
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