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The key points in Debes comments are:

- Lawson like to lock their customers in; and,
- they can't make the business model of SaaS work their KPIs.

Salesforce.com doesn't lock its customers in, you can go and get it all back by CSV and put it in another system very quickly.

Debes is right about Salesforce.com's profit margins, they are pretty poor - their FY09 guidance is for $36m in profit on slightly over $1b in revenue. However, I think the thing that Debes is "intentionally" leaving out is that Salesforce.com spun off $53m in cash on $263m in revenue. So they suffering depreciation and the expenses of stock based remuneration, but those are sunk costs. The market values Salesforce.com because unlike previous incarnations of "bureaus" and "ASPs", Salesforce.com is profitable and cash flow positive. It is also an attractive asset to buy, one bad quarter or a missed growth number doesn't erode the value of their customer base.

I think what you'll see is that Salesforce.com has turned the corner on the "return dilemma" that Debes was talking about. He couldn't tie up that much capital and resource trying to build a new business model that cannibalises his existing business. Salesforce.com and other SaaS players that are profitable around the world (not all SaaS companies are on the Nasdaq) are also realising that the investment curve is diminishing as a percentage of revenue and therefore, profitability is becoming easier.

The last thing I'd say is, a good idea doesn't become a bad idea because it was poorly executed. As a customer of both, Siebel and Salesforce.com over the years, let me say that Salesforce.com is TEN TIMES better than Siebel. In fact, there isn't a CRM product on the market as pleasant to use as Salesforce.
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He doesn't get it  dklcheng | 08/28/08
Thou dost protest too much!?  eroomj49@... | 08/28/08
Staying On Track  itforGod | 09/09/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  robinl1234 | 08/28/08
So! - the evolution of recombinant, reusables is over in computing ? - NT  raycote | 08/28/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  jgrabski | 08/28/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  ddruker@... | 08/28/08
SaaS will double in two years.  sxates | 08/28/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years?  doug.harr@... | 08/28/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  samlev | 08/28/08
CEO ???  ssrivastava5 | 08/28/08
Grain of Salt  SuperSean | 08/28/08
Well SaaS will go and come back new name!  joemartn | 08/29/08
The problem == Data security  joemartn | 08/29/08
Wait, WHAT?!  ibanez1998 | 08/29/08
Can you do it better?  leathard@... | 08/29/08
You are real dud!  joemartn | 08/31/08
Internet is a fad too  ryan.gahl@... | 08/29/08
SaaS is dead, but we use SalesForce  smitter@... | 08/29/08
Contradiction  rahilkh | 08/29/08
History DOES repeat itself.  ibanez1998 | 08/29/08
Most wont use for such services ....  joemartn | 09/01/08
Dinosaur  leathard@... | 08/29/08
RE:Do we... do we remember these  El Condor | 08/30/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  Borgia1 | 09/02/08
RE: Intranet-SaaS  Borgia1 | 09/02/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  greg.carney@... | 09/02/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  nrmehta | 09/02/08
SAAS meaning  magallanes | 09/03/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  jfederline@... | 09/04/08
Well he got one thing right in all this, there is not shortage of stupid.  kpriceaccucode | 09/04/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  allegiance | 09/05/08
SaaS won't die...but most SaaS vendors will because they dont get the Web  ChaoticFlow | 09/06/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  Tien Tzuo | 09/08/08
RE: Only win-win wins  adurairaj@... | 09/08/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  albarlousta | 09/08/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  tyharris | 09/10/08
Add Mr. Debes to the list . . .  lprevost | 09/10/08
Our SaaS company is profitable www.artez.com  pking4 | 09/19/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  gyfgyf | 10/08/08
RE: SaaS market will 'collapse' in two years  Christopher Fahey | 11/07/08

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