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"undamental knowledge systems? Why not just use something simple?
"If the evil of spam leads to a renaissance of well-funded research into fundamental knowledge systems--nothing else will do--"

Wrong. If it's hard to separate spam from non-spam at the destination quit putting all the emphasis on that dificult approach. If it's hard then try something else that's easy. I've stopped spam to millions of people 100% accurately (once I got the bugs worked out, and the problems were implementation errors, not conceptual errors), others have done far more, again 100% accurately. One person had an average of over 750,000 recipients per day for whom he stopped spam - and he used a 90 MHz Pentium. If you stop spam before it reaches the destination server - at a fake open relay, a fake open proxy, a fake or turned spam zombie - then no filter is needed, no smarts is needed.

I wouldn't have had any errors had I not tried this on a real mail server (I was stopping open relay spam.) I could just as easily have set up a pure fake open relay (as the 750,000/day pserson did) and then I'd get nothing but spam and could stop it all. That's not quite true: before the spam you get test messages that are intended to determine if your IP address is an open relay. Deliver that and the spammer fools himself.

The evil of spam is sufficient to motivate people to eliminate the evil. Eliminating the evil is far more important than any abtruse benefit that it is supposed will come from research that leads to more powerful techniques. Save the power for long-term weather forecasting. Use dirt-simple tools to end spam. Make the attack on spam wheee the conditions favor the attacker; stop making the attack where the conditions favor the spammer.
Posted by: Minas Beede   Posted on: 08/25/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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First what is SPAM  voska | 08/25/04
It is...  James T. Kirk | 08/25/04
You illustrate the point perfectly  voska | 08/25/04
No  James T. Kirk | 08/25/04
Point is some don't agree with you  voska | 08/25/04
Why change the definition?  Martin Marvinski | 08/25/04
Spam is not in the eye of the beholder  fmaxwell | 08/26/04
Yes  Erik1234 | 08/26/04
Thanks, Erik!  jaoifalkjsdao | 08/27/04
Exactly! NT  KOS-MOS | 08/31/04
I prefer something this century.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/25/04
Oh come on  James T. Kirk | 08/25/04
Get Real...  Wolfie2K3 | 08/27/04
Re: I prefer something this century.  Minas Beede | 08/25/04
Making Assumptions  Roger Ramjet | 08/25/04
1 Billion dollars isn't that much actually  voska | 08/25/04
Come to think of it...  toadlife | 08/27/04
"undamental knowledge systems? Why not just use something simple?  Minas Beede | 08/25/04
easy solution  Byron Hadley | 08/25/04
No, you don't get to redefine the term.  fmaxwell | 08/26/04
Are there any send-side technologies?  jaoifalkjsdao | 08/27/04
Thanks Minas Beede  jaoifalkjsdao | 08/27/04
Glad to do it.  Minas Beede | 08/27/04
Same old solution. Let's try to keep it simple.  toadlife | 08/27/04

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