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This is all moot.
If it's simply a lack of choice, as the "think" tank suggests, as to what comes on a PC, then let's see numbers on what HP and Dell have been selling in the EU. One would expect to see their Linux offerings outselling Windows based on EU suggestions and think tank mentality. Perhaps it's so, but I doubt it.


But mainly, after amstrad and then the decade of silence, where is the money in the EU to back makers like Cibox, Maxdata and Tiny. It was suggested by a poster recently that higher US productivity was untrue and that the EU has a higher GDP, more wealth and isn't owned by "outside" interests. Show me the money! Why are these OEMs struggling, even in Europe?

What OS is offered on each? Linux only? Windows? what percentage of each companies PCs go out with Linux and what flavor? Anyone know? I'm having trouble understanding why, with the strength of the euro, the US in decline for almost 20 years now, once again according to zdnet's most prolific anti-ms/america poster, European PC manufacturing and Linux is having any trouble at all with the American companies? It seems, to the casual observer, the EU wants to simply take the business which other companies have managed to build, since they can't seem to find funding in their own union which is financially more sound than the US. It makes no sense. Could it be that the market is still dictating what the end user wants and not Microsoft? Sure seems that way to me. Where are the EU VCs when they need them? Surely they exist in great numbers, being the most wealthy union on the earth. Seems the government, with all of the money they are taking from Microsoft and others over the years could back these PC manufacturers and out pace Microsoft in the EU with Linux machines. Why not? (again, which flavor of Linux is the European flavor?. I know full well where the kernel was developed, but as to the bulk of the system? ) As the poster pointed out, the US and it's companies are not all that and a bag of chips, while the EU is strong and vibrant and resilient and produces a better class of people than the US.

Oh well, like all other times since America has become strong, Europe must rely on them. First they received our blood and a half million lives of men and women who fought bravely to save Europe from falling to dictatorships, in 2 world wars in which untold amounts of money were spent and i'd bet there is a good amount never repaid. Then the years of US bases and more money put into Europe, which supplemented the local economies and provided a deterent and shield against another invasion for 50 years. All of the money that has been pumped into every conceivable natural disaster or financial crisis to help keep the region strong for freedom. So now, owing the US money, they decided they needed America's help again, only this time it's the "screw you jack" type, "we're going to take it from you this time". "All those decades of your gracious unwavering support made us realize something....you're all a bunch of schmucks..HA hAAA"
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Is he implying that taking the obviously right  Dr-T | 09/26/07
You'll save next to nothing.  notsofast | 09/26/07
Think tank? More like drunk tank  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
Hey!  Linux User 147560 | 09/26/07
So here are all but one of the posts that WERE under this one...  Linux User 147560 | 09/27/07
How about supporting that?  voska | 09/26/07
I'll give it a go...  wolf_z | 09/26/07
That's a lot of assertions  zkiwi | 09/26/07
You don't get it...  wolf_z | 09/26/07
This is all moot.  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
I agree with you 100 percent  diriambino@... | 10/01/07
What's all this stuff  IT_User | 09/26/07
It's not just gamers.  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
I'd say much the same about you  zkiwi | 09/26/07
wolf_z  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
Wake up  micks_tricks | 03/20/08
Here's what will happen though  voska | 09/26/07
Ok, as you asked.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
One more to consider.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
Interesting you meantion the car problem  voska | 09/26/07
stripped?  merc2dogs` | 09/26/07
Do you need a list of OEMs?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
Sure post them  voska | 09/26/07
k  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
re: k  Badgered | 09/27/07
But we are talking about Europe!  Zogg | 09/27/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs  Badgered | 09/26/07
What was NOT said.  Sagax- | 09/27/07
It's about time  srobtjones@... | 09/26/07
Way too much thinking going on there...  IT_Guy_z | 09/26/07
Seems like a good idea to me  voska | 09/26/07
That would kill linux on the desktop.  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
You already pay to have it installed  voska | 09/26/07
I doubt it will kill Linux on the desktop  Linux User 147560 | 09/26/07
Well, that may be the "government's" wishes  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
xuniL_z, you love red herrings!  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Of course they have to exclude Apple  PB_z | 09/26/07
Agreed  Flubnut | 09/26/07
What was he running?  itpro_z | 09/26/07
Definition of Monopoly  voska | 09/26/07
And there is the problem, there is no deffinition  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
Exactly  NonZealot | 09/26/07
NonZealot posts some profounding relies, no? Snicker, smirk, snort (NT)  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Weel, he posts more than a header like you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
Unless you want to call his Sniker retorts childish then I win! (NT)  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Competition  voska | 09/26/07
They most certainly do compete  NonZealot | 09/26/07
Ah but you are mistaken  voska | 09/26/07
I'm using logic, you are being disingenuous  NonZealot | 09/26/07
Excuse me but if what you say is true  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
Exactly like the US DoJ excluded Apple  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
Most people  zkiwi | 09/27/07
Most honest people  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
Aquiescing?  John L. Ries | 09/27/07
I was speaking about after  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
Reign of terror and murder?  John L. Ries | 09/27/07
You calling him unfit  zkiwi | 09/27/07
This is my point.  xuniL_z | 09/28/07
correction to text.  xuniL_z | 09/28/07
If they are indeed a prominant organization ...  George Mitchell | 09/26/07
Go with the flow?  John L. Ries | 09/26/07
In terms of being realistic, yes ...  George Mitchell | 09/26/07
I'll agree with that  John L. Ries | 09/27/07
Man they must hate the free market.....  JoeMama_z | 09/26/07
No, they just hate...  itpro_z | 09/26/07
To bad, thats what their citizens choose.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
Use Windows? No. Buy Windows? Yes.  Zogg | 09/27/07
Re: Use Windows? No. Buy Windows? Yes.  kurio99 | 09/27/07
I was at Futureshop recently  NonZealot | 09/27/07
What have Macs got to do with this?  Zogg | 09/27/07
Being dominated by US companies is not against the law...  JoeMama_z | 09/26/07
re: No, they just hate...  johnay | 09/27/07
I think it should be an option  John L. Ries | 09/26/07
How come you can report correctly and George Ou can't?  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
HAHAHA!!! How will the Apple zealots apologize for this?  NonZealot | 09/26/07
Would disrupt Apple's business model  John L. Ries | 09/26/07
makes sense though  voska | 09/26/07
Care to explain the Mac vs Vista ads then?  NonZealot | 09/26/07
They aren't Mac and Vista ads  voska | 09/26/07
Huh?  NonZealot | 09/26/07
Would agree Windows has 95% market share on the PC?  voska | 09/26/07
Here's what I'm really getting  voska | 09/26/07
IF that is what you are getting at, I agree  NonZealot | 09/26/07
Yes, I would agree with that  voska | 09/26/07
Please, NonZealot, you me and everyone knows Windows is on a PC.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
re: Please  Badgered | 09/27/07
Dell sells a product....  JoeMama_z | 09/26/07
Really it's kind of moot point  voska | 09/26/07
Microsoft may be a monopoly.....  JoeMama_z | 09/26/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  paulf@... | 09/26/07
Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  ermiec@... | 09/26/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  ltilley@... | 09/26/07
A few suggestions.  enduser_z | 09/26/07
re: mouse jump all over  Arm A. Geddon | 09/26/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  bobpeg | 09/26/07
Ubuntu seems to be the most popular choice...  Henry Miller | 09/26/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  The Days | 09/26/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  The Days | 09/26/07
Knowledge is needed for computer operating systems.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  skipplummer | 09/26/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  williamwacker3@... | 09/26/07
God Idea in my mind! With some changes though!!  bka1959 | 09/26/07
oops should Read "Good" Not "God"  bka1959 | 09/26/07
Can we start now?  Open means Good | 09/26/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  the_fiddler_on_the_roof | 09/26/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  carlsf@... | 09/26/07
that's what's so great nowadays with linux...  Arm A. Geddon | 09/26/07
Great idea...  mikifinaz1@... | 09/26/07
Bring on naked PCs, says think tank- I Disagree  Samuel C. | 09/27/07
Hummm?  darrahg | 09/27/07
Drivers  unclebiguns@... | 09/27/07
WOW! Censored AGAIN!  Linux User 147560 | 09/27/07
Sorry, my friend, I disagree with you on this one ...  George Mitchell | 09/27/07
George...  Linux User 147560 | 09/27/07
There are times when it happens to all of us ...  George Mitchell | 09/27/07
Wait a second.  xuniL_z | 09/28/07
No offense  Linux User 147560 | 09/28/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  roseiv@... | 09/27/07
This think tank needs to have its head examined!  Been_Done_Before | 09/27/07
Hmm, a not-so-subtle plug for the status quo...  Zogg | 09/27/07
@Linux User  AJ-Ubuntu-User | 09/27/07
So what is the choice? Not Linux !  kdcb@... | 09/27/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  Steven78 | 09/27/07
Want a Naked PC?  bobiroc | 09/27/07
A few points...  Zogg | 09/28/07
Yes, time for covered up naked PCs  Boot_Agnostic | 09/28/07
RE: Bring on naked PCs, says think tank  gsell | 09/29/07
Optional  roaming | 10/11/07
A damned god idea, so long as...  kaninelupus | 07/09/09

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