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GM doesn't sell REAL hybrids!
The so called "Hybrid" pickups from GM only turn off the gas
engine while stopped. No real electric propulsion. Dodge does
not sell the diesel hybrid RAM pickup to individuals. The Sprinter
hybrid is only in testing. Ford only has the Mazda built Escape
as an offering. Saturn seems to be the ONLY real American hybrid
available. SAD!
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GM doesn't sell REAL hybrids!  kd5auq | 08/28/07
uh.....  Badgered | 08/28/07
This is news to me  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
Mileage  alexh1@... | 08/29/07
You don't know GM ownes Saturn?  kehoffman | 08/30/07
Mmmmm..  alexh1@... | 08/30/07
Saturn  gm mark of excellence | 08/30/07
Still, without the Japenese pushing the envelope and putting the US  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
here here!  rschror | 08/28/07
Not Toyota  KTLA | 08/28/07
Sources...  KTLA | 08/28/07
Apperently it does't snow in Japan  Species8472 | 08/29/07
The **** suck at designing cars  Protector | 08/29/07
Yeah... sure. Ummm-hmm. Right...  shawkins | 08/29/07
It had to do with early 90's marketing and 70's crisis  Protector | 08/29/07
Perhaps. Even if that's true...  shawkins | 08/29/07
yes  Protector | 08/29/07
American quality  Tigertank | 09/04/07
just make it good looking  pcguy777 | 08/29/07
Batteries Are Bad  jabailo1 | 08/28/07
Meanwhile, Toyota and others are making some very high milage cars using  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
I've never met anybody that cared about changing weight  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
how do you store the Hydrogen...efficiently?  Linux Geek | 08/29/07
Public Trans doesn't go where I need to go.....  linux for me | 08/29/07
Exactly.  JDThompson | 08/29/07
EXACTLY  clif@... | 08/30/07
Let's say I want to visit my relatives on a farm  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
Something like this:  JDThompson | 08/29/07
Sorry, just doesn't cut it for vacations  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
Not the problem you think it is.  JDThompson | 08/29/07
re: Not the problem you think it is.  CobraA1 | 08/30/07
Now that I think about it, even for work . . .  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
Sounds like a perfect opportunity...  JDThompson | 08/29/07
Flexcar  rod pieper | 08/30/07
Hydrogen is very limited.  osreinstall | 08/30/07
Batteriy woes  ccolht@... | 08/29/07
OTOH  socalrws | 08/28/07
I'm also not sure which is worse.  People | 08/28/07
Hybrid is FAR worse..... (at least today)  crash89 | 08/28/07
MPG  KTLA | 08/28/07
From the NY Times...  crash89 | 08/28/07
To: This entire thread.  Logics | 08/28/07
Question.  People | 08/28/07
Whos average driver?  Species8472 | 08/29/07
Did you just respond without reading my post?  KTLA | 08/29/07
Nope.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
And that's assuming  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/28/07
You looked at some of the hidden costs...  Logics | 08/28/07
Eureka!  LadyGray | 09/04/07
One more thing.  itpro_z | 08/28/07
Not entirely true.  Logics | 08/28/07
I agree, but...  itpro_z | 08/29/07
Incorrect.. on both counts..  thetruth_z | 08/28/07
Limited fuel supply?  itpro_z | 08/29/07
Wrong...  Linux User 147560 | 08/28/07
Somewhat agree  itpro_z | 08/29/07
Total and complete hogwash!  Logics | 08/28/07
agreed, and I want to highlight one of your points  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
Turbine/Electric  kmatzen@... | 08/28/07
Low maintenance  HooNoze | 08/28/07
Electrics are already practical.  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
The Chrysler Turbine  GFW_z | 08/29/07
Turbines are for power not efficiency.  osreinstall | 08/30/07
Europe vs America  HooNoze | 08/28/07
Story missed the most obvious reason - renters  ugluk | 08/28/07
Perhaps not  HooNoze | 08/28/07
Just call in an electrician  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
re: The plot behind killing electric cars  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
Pure and utter bunk  frgough | 08/29/07
Some numbers  frgough | 08/29/07
As a rational person  Linux User 147560 | 08/29/07
Rationality  frgough | 08/29/07
Gasoline/ Electric Hybrid - The solution  daniel.penrod@... | 09/03/07
Not Really  osreinstall | 09/03/07
So why were people FORCED to give their cars back?  Windy-1 | 08/29/07
They were leased.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
Destroying R & D  caspianhiro | 08/29/07
You cannot destroy R&D.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
Even better  rrohret | 08/31/07
That would work  osreinstall | 09/01/07
re: They were leased.  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
Contract is a contract.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
fine, we agree to disagree then (nt)  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
No problem.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
Consumers are cheap?  spstanley | 08/29/07
Got em anyway  bruceslog | 08/29/07
50 MPG -- Where's America?  Kromaethius | 08/29/07
It's called physics  frgough | 08/29/07
Guess these guy's are immune to your  Linux User 147560 | 08/29/07
He meant physical size.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
Not really  frgough | 08/29/07
I don't see how preserving the very thing  Linux User 147560 | 08/29/07
Keep reading your quotes  Species8472 | 08/29/07
Sorry - we aren't usuing heat engines. We're using combustion.  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
Internal combustion is a heat engine  frgough | 08/29/07
Pump  LadyGray | 09/04/07
Their death traps  Protector | 08/29/07
Actually they are finding  Linux User 147560 | 08/29/07
BS.  Species8472 | 08/29/07
I see you BS and raise you 10 tons  Linux User 147560 | 08/29/07
Simply absurd...  wmlundine | 08/29/07
Story missed another reason - Maintenance  sullivanjc | 08/29/07
Bad Marketing, Mediocre cars  robertcape@... | 08/29/07
A documentary the author missed... you shouldn't...  cjahan2002@... | 08/29/07
The wrong question  JDThompson | 08/29/07
well . . .  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
And yet, Asians and Europeans seem to be able to do it...  Linux User 147560 | 08/29/07
Neither.  osreinstall | 08/29/07
I'd say lazy and proud  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
It *WILL* happen  JDThompson | 08/29/07
Switching to electric cars is an excellent solution  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
Typical European elitism  frgough | 08/29/07
Ummm, Americans are not the only nation  Linux User 147560 | 08/29/07
Oh yeah forgot  Linux User 147560 | 08/29/07
Cars aren't the only way  JDThompson | 08/29/07
re: Cars aren't the only way  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
Think, man!  JDThompson | 08/30/07
Oh my gosh!  Linux User 147560 | 08/30/07
Electric cars suck because batteries suck.  Protector | 08/29/07
Prius is garbage  Protector | 08/29/07
Don't paint with too broad a brush  JDThompson | 08/30/07
UGLY CARS = NO SALE  pcguy777 | 08/29/07
Agreed (nt)  CobraA1 | 08/29/07
Basic Energy Engineering  kzm1 | 08/30/07
Where does it come from?  LadyGray | 09/04/07
GM didn't help the EV1  clif@... | 08/30/07
Everyone talks about envoirnmently friendly  arlkay@... | 08/30/07
Batteries are recycled  Linux User 147560 | 08/30/07
Hmmm...  alexh1@... | 08/30/07
History lesson anyone?  loewenr@... | 08/30/07
Err...  JDThompson | 08/30/07
Check out DVD: "Who Killed the Electric Car"  stormculture | 08/30/07
You mean who killed the EV1  osreinstall | 08/30/07
Electricity comes from...?  DOSlover | 08/30/07
Old way of thinking.  osreinstall | 08/30/07
gas vs. electric  Warinpiece | 08/31/07
Please provide a reference to govt depending on oil payouts  daniel.penrod@... | 09/03/07
The solution  rrohret | 08/31/07
Let's try a different algorithm  Update victim | 09/02/07
different algorithm  daniel.penrod@... | 09/03/07
RE: The plot behind killing electric cars  weeped | 09/15/09

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