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I can accept that as an answer.: You're saying in essence, if I decide to hurt you, tough. What're you going to do about it?
Just remember, though, that you could have decided not to hurt anyone.

By the way, I used the buggy whip comparison myself in a post about the RIAA. I was saying that they wanted to kill a hugely profitable distribution method because it wasn't part of the way they were used to doing business.
However, no matter how adaptive, responsive, even innovative a company might be, it's hard to beat free. So the buggy whip analogy doesn't apply.
If you want a comparison that'll gladden Microsoft's opponents, it's like Microsoft making the browser "free". Didn't do much good for Netscape revenues, did it?!; Posted by: Anton Philidor Posted on: 05/10/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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I don't agree entirely voska | 05/10/04

True rapson | 05/10/04

Partial agreement John Carroll

| 05/10/04

The idea that people are creative only if they are paid is FALSE! DonnieBoy | 05/10/04

And if I was saying that, you'd be right... John Carroll

| 05/10/04

Let's see, the guys at JBoss don't have financial incentive? MySQL? DonnieBoy | 05/10/04

Couple points John Carroll

| 05/10/04

JBoss MUST inovate as well, they just have a different cost structure. DonnieBoy | 05/11/04

Another thing, you really were saying that. DonnieBoy | 05/10/04

Take me at my word... John Carroll

| 05/10/04

It's all about inertia - closed source/proprietary has more oldskool | 05/10/04

Again, your arguments do not hold water. DonnieBoy | 05/11/04

Office not generic? Fred Fredrickson | 05/11/04

Doesn't it go without saying? betelgeuse68 | 05/10/04

In the main, I agree IT_User | 05/10/04

A few missed points... Tim Patterson | 05/10/04

Not akin to extortion rapson | 05/10/04

Unfortunately, it feels like it... Patrick Jones | 05/10/04

Upgrade Treadmills, etc. John Carroll

| 05/10/04

John, MS formats DO force upgrades. DonnieBoy | 05/11/04

Not for platforms and protocols Eggs Ackley_z | 05/10/04

If it can be sold, it should be proprietary Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

True to a point Mack DaNife | 05/10/04

How much does software have to do? Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

That's not the consumers job voska | 05/10/04

There are no tools to work with proprietary software? Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

Not sure what you mean voska | 05/10/04

What he's saying? rapson | 05/10/04

Exactly; thanks. (NT) Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

Ahh.. I see voska | 05/10/04

Agreed, no incentive to switch IT_User | 05/10/04

Sorry I wasn't clear Mack DaNife | 05/10/04

I did the same IT_User | 05/10/04

Hmmm.. Patrick Jones | 05/10/04

I can accept that as an answer. Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

Funny... Patrick Jones | 05/10/04

On the other hand... John Carroll

| 05/10/04

Money.. Patrick Jones | 05/10/04

Fishing with dynamite Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

Assumptions Patrick Jones | 05/10/04

Protections no, but not doing harm, yes. Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

Anton, We will have to agree to disagree Patrick Jones | 05/10/04

A reason I used GPL voska | 05/10/04

Re: Fishing? John L. Ries | 05/10/04

Idealism hurts Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

Trade Union Mentality John L. Ries | 05/10/04

Dumping on professionals Anton Philidor | 05/11/04

Dumping John L. Ries | 05/11/04

Yes, Money... John Carroll

| 05/10/04

Assumptions, again Patrick Jones | 05/10/04

Regarding candidates for open source John Carroll

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We do charge for our work, John Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/10/04

And... John Carroll

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What motivates open source developers voska | 05/10/04

Lenin John L. Ries | 05/10/04

Re: Lenin John Carroll

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Re: Lenin John L. Ries | 05/10/04

Developers interests are their employers' interests j.m.galvin | 05/10/04

Good Examples John Carroll

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JC: You're off on that j.m.galvin | 05/10/04

Point is well taken John L. Ries | 05/10/04

right comparison, wrong model Spam-ZD | 05/11/04

Re: On the other hand... Martin Marvinski | 05/12/04

Comapnies shold not be allowed to do their own vehicle maintenance j.m.galvin | 05/10/04

How's that for making typos? NT j.m.galvin | 05/10/04

I nveer mispelll antyhing John Carroll

| 05/10/04

UPS j.m.galvin | 05/10/04

Not a zero-sum game IT_User | 05/10/04

Yes, IBM is a bigger danger. Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

Untested theories IT_User | 05/10/04

but... eldrave | 05/10/04

Persistence Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/10/04

Ignoring users needs and giving them "gadgets" instead j.m.galvin | 05/10/04

Which users have you been observing? Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

Interesting John Carroll

| 05/10/04

Keep in mind though.. Mack DaNife | 05/10/04

That's the hybrid model John Carroll

| 05/10/04

Okay, but you assume an answer here. Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

Wrong Anton... Tim Patterson | 05/10/04

Pure service vs. consultant model Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

You left out JBOSS group from your analysis of anti-service oldskool | 05/10/04

Unfortunately, Free is relative agramont@... | 05/10/04

Maybe not... John L. Ries | 05/10/04

Keep trying, Anton Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/10/04

Disagree in part... wploger | 05/10/04

Yes, they can develop for open source... Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

Job security Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/10/04

Volunteer replacements are acceptable? Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

anton sings the same old song. Spam-ZD | 05/11/04

There's logic. Anton Philidor | 05/11/04

Here is what troubles me IT_User | 05/11/04

Different models Anton Philidor | 05/11/04

Our agreement/disagreement is by degree as well. Mack DaNife | 05/10/04

Ummm, a title John Carroll

| 05/10/04

To be clear Mack DaNife | 05/10/04

My two cents... wploger | 05/10/04

Who cares if people lose jobs? LinuxLover74 | 05/10/04

Not in somebody's basement Anton Philidor | 05/10/04

Wow, someplace we can agree! DonnieBoy | 05/10/04

The idea of Patents is sound voska | 05/10/04

There are other patents that are bogus besides software. DonnieBoy | 05/10/04

You want to talk about EVILS in the patent system... Laff | 05/11/04

Bravo! Bravo! Excellent Writing! (NT) P. Douglas | 05/10/04

Basic versus Applied Science tic swayback | 05/10/04

Some comments John Carroll

| 05/10/04

Risk aversion tic swayback | 05/10/04

Re: Risk Aversion John Carroll

| 05/10/04

Which is why we need more than companies tic swayback | 05/11/04

I agree John Carroll

| 05/11/04

Fallacies, part One Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/10/04

Intuit is example why OS exists voska | 05/10/04

So true. Rick_K | 05/10/04

Response, Part 1 John Carroll

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Upgrade Cycles John L. Ries | 05/13/04

Fallacies, part Two Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/10/04

You should know better..... Rick_K | 05/10/04

Better than what? Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/10/04

Users just wanted stability Users just wanted stability j.m.galvin | 05/10/04

This is Wierd j.m.galvin | 05/10/04

ZD Innovation Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/10/04

...and yet... John Carroll

| 05/10/04

You're getting defensive of MS j.m.galvin | 05/10/04

The other side of my personality John Carroll

| 05/11/04

A slight correction on Mac stability & one other thing j.m.galvin | 05/11/04

AT&T John Carroll

| 05/12/04

Concerning "hype", "geeks", and "Great Satans" _Akira | 05/12/04

All true...but so what? Cayble | 01/20/06

Oh puh-leeze! Robert Crocker | 05/11/04

Oh leeze-puh John Carroll

| 05/11/04

puh Oh -leeze Robert Crocker | 05/11/04

Response, Part 2 John Carroll

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Fallacies, part Three Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/10/04

Response, Part 3 John Carroll

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That is LUDICROUS j.m.galvin | 05/11/04

Excellent response, but ya missed 2 points Fred Fredrickson | 05/12/04

Tree, Forest John Carroll

| 05/12/04

This one confuses me IT_User | 05/11/04

Standards Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/11/04

Economic Rationalism versus Social Benefit Fred Fredrickson | 05/10/04

The problem John Carroll

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Only one of everything? rapson | 05/11/04

Actually, That's what J. Carroll is espousing j.m.galvin | 05/11/04

And what I am expecting IT_User | 05/11/04

I hope not j.m.galvin | 05/11/04

Highlander Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/11/04

No, that's not it. Fred Fredrickson | 05/12/04

No, it's the solution Fred Fredrickson | 05/12/04

Re: The Problem John L. Ries | 05/13/04

Proprietary software closer to the customers? NemesisNL | 05/10/04

The argument intentionally confuses roles ... baffle 'em with BS! oldskool | 05/10/04

Lets see V Sanders | 05/10/04

Or.... Robert Crocker | 05/11/04

TiVo Anton Philidor | 05/11/04

Tivo's reason to use Linux mr.pragmatic | 05/12/04

Caroll's statements prove closed source at disadvantage ... oldskool | 05/10/04

oops ... tail end was cut & past from article ... but its more fodder oldskool | 05/10/04

Software Is Limited ParadigmOdyssey | 05/10/04

BE-YOU-TEE-FULLLL!!! Robert Crocker | 05/11/04

answer toadlife | 05/11/04

DARPA funded Robert Crocker | 05/13/04

Christmas Carrol pj-xmesh | 05/11/04

So you admit you don't know, but write 4 installments anyway oldskool | 05/11/04

Hats off to J.M Galvin jellyclock | 05/12/04

The MONEY issue mr.pragmatic | 05/12/04

SCO Anger MrStanaland | 05/12/04

Re: SCO Anger mr.pragmatic | 05/12/04

P-Shop'n Gimp ? pj-xmesh | 05/13/04

Companies are best positioned to figure out what customers actually want. MrStanaland | 05/12/04

some objections VSim | 08/06/04

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