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Huh? What numbers? SQL Server 2005 aint got the numbers AFAIK
Who is feeding No_Ax_to_Grind? What numbers are you talking about? If you think things through, you may decide that Microsoft isn't really selling a Data Base. They probably view a database managment system as a commodity. Microsoft marketers/legals are really selling a competitor to the owner of Crystal Reports. A company I think that is named Business Objects.

Hence if your number is revenue, then your number is fraud because those products that are bundled with Microsoft SQL Server 2005 are being charged for just like IE was charged for when it was bundled into Windows. Did I get a hit? I really do not know where Ax is coming from. Nonetheless....

Microsoft appears to have bundled a database managment system with a Report Writer and a mini Visual Studio and and cool third party product that visualizes data - slices and dices it. But I think all of that is catch up.

If you look at the Eclipse based tools you start to see what "free extras" from Microsoft SQL Server 2005 might be worth to you. I think serious web developers are still going to Adobe Dream Weaver or anything but Front Page. Serious Report Builders are still going to Crystal Reports. Serious slice and dicers still want Oracle OLAP or what ever Business Objects/ Crystal Reports sells.

I swear Microsoft is at war with the owner's of Crystal Reports. I did not conclude that until yesterday. Company management really blew it big time when they failed to reach agreement with the owners of Crystal Reports. Visual Studio's greatest strength now gone. Well soon gone anyway. SQL Server 2005 is just so much less attractive without Crystal Reports. I am not wrong on that.

To a Data Base person, using Excell as the major ad hoc and goal tracker software is just wrong. You will never get a real data management person to say otherwise.

Think of every member of your organization playing computer games for 2 hours a day. It is just like that to a Data management person. And a Business Analyist. A company that does business flow, like Accenture or CA for management isn't going to look favorably on that. They want to see specialization and division of labor and not everyone needs Excell.

I mean seriously, Excell for a database is a flat file; it is worse than Access. And yet I watched in amusement how in Visual Studio (SQL SERVER 2005 edition) you could easially combine Excell spread sheets, envoke processes that eliminate duplicate rows and fuzzy logic duplicates, combine those into a file where data types could be changed and data validation performed and then spit that into a real Microsoft SQL file where data might be analyzed by cube (OLAP) or visually and goal attainment reported back to an excell spread sheet. Argh. And Yet I suspect this is what Lotus does.

Sigh. A lesson is repeated until it is learned. Have we learned nothing about databases. You should not need fuzzy logic to eliminate duplicates. You should have 100 percent certainty of duplications. You get that with real databases and key violations.

In anycase. The easiest DBMA to operate is the one operated by someone else. Oracle has taken that track with its mantenance agreement.

Sorry to rant. I really should get slapped down. Consider the above a first take. I reserve the right to change my thoughts once I get the Microsoft SQL Server 2005 running virtually.

But even so - What?? Visual Basic for Applications?? Argh, I thought the industry gave up on that years ago. Microsoft is so far behind. Its like management doesn't even care anymore.

Frank L. Mighetto CCP
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