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What numbers?
And exactly what evidence do you provide to support statements like:

Maybe it's not that they won't go download it, maybe they just haven't found a better media player to download.

You've just created a self-defeating argument.
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Anti-trust needed...  Tim Patterson | 03/30/04
Amen to that! (nt)  el1jones | 03/30/04
Numbers speak for themselves  Christopher McLendon | 03/30/04
Misleading...  Tim Patterson | 03/30/04
Misleading  tomaras@... | 03/30/04
this is way to confusing  V Sanders | 03/31/04
Statistics, not features, are all that matters  mtl | 03/31/04
I agree, but  rapson | 03/31/04
Yes they would.  STDog | 03/31/04
What numbers?  zd-spam | 03/30/04
Anti-trust needed...  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
Oh Geez ... Here we go ...  coffeenite | 03/30/04
Oh Geez ... Here we go ...  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
Reverse MS logic...  MacCanuck | 03/30/04
Reverse MS logic..  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
Taking over  MacCanuck | 03/30/04
Taking over  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
Ignore SeoSamh. He is like Bit Byte.  systemcleaner | 03/30/04
Ignore SeoSamh. He is like Bit Byte  seosamh_z | 03/31/04
Welcome to the club  rapson | 03/31/04
You need humans  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
you ignore leverage john  hipparchus | 03/30/04
John, you're good at obfuscating the situation...  MacCanuck | 03/30/04
stop making excuses for stupid people!  stephen732@... | 03/30/04
stop making excuses for stupid people!  tomaras@... | 03/30/04
really pitiful argument  zd-spam | 03/30/04
Get it? Too hard for you to understand?  systemcleaner | 03/30/04
Wow John, your true colour are showing  Fred Fredrickson | 03/30/04
My favorite color is "red"  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
Misdirection, the magician's tool  Fred Fredrickson | 03/31/04
No magic to it  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
Are people arguing about the same thing here?  Zogg | 03/31/04
That's what they do  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 04/01/04
Not adding up...  Zogg | 04/01/04
Come on John  bgoss@... | 03/30/04
I can't believe you said this...  Rodney Davis | 03/30/04
Functional replacements  Fred Fredrickson | 03/30/04
I appreciate your point, but...  Rodney Davis | 03/31/04
But that's just it  rapson | 03/31/04
Striving to Monopoly is the NORM....  quietLee | 03/31/04
I'm not buying it.  el1jones | 03/30/04
I'm not buying it.  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
BTW, MSN is not a monopoly. -- HUH?  coffeenite | 03/30/04
BTW, MSN is not a monopoly. -- HUH?  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
"Ever heard of AOL? Proprietary software required." HUH?  j.m.galvin | 03/30/04
What?  coffeenite | 03/30/04
You don't NEED it  j.m.galvin | 03/30/04
"Ever heard of AOL? Proprietary software required." HUH?  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
I love analogies  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
Media PLayer is just a very good media player  NemesisNL | 03/30/04
re : Media PLayer is just a very good media player  V Sanders | 03/31/04
re: I love analogies too  stephen732@... | 03/30/04
you dont  JoeMama_z | 03/30/04
Because...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
Piss off John....  TrollSlayer | 03/31/04
Ah! The bottom line...  Zogg | 03/31/04
Of course you do  Fred Fredrickson | 03/30/04
That's because they are effective  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
At misdirection  Fred Fredrickson | 03/31/04
pro M$??  benopdezolder | 04/06/04
Maybe Legislation is not the way to go  DevilsAdvocado | 03/30/04
re: Maybe Legislation is not the way to go  stephen732@... | 03/30/04
IBM & Anti-trust  Fred Fredrickson | 03/30/04
The Lone Ranger  DevilsAdvocado | 04/01/04
Monty Pynthonesque... but probably spot on. (nt)  Fred Fredrickson | 04/03/04
Yeah, umm...  Bob/Paul | 03/30/04
Convince your family to run Linux  cchenoweth | 03/30/04
GE analogy flawed  voska | 03/30/04
GE analogy flawed  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
I agree with you  voska | 03/30/04
Not so flawed as your rejoinder  Mack DaNife | 03/30/04
Not so flawed as your rejoinder  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
That dodge engine  voska | 03/30/04
That dodge engine  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
Are you serious....  DarbyOhara | 03/30/04
Free speach  Ardian Daka | 03/30/04
She has rights too  j.m.galvin | 03/30/04
That's all well and good  John Dulles | 03/30/04
you are adding points...  ryusen | 03/30/04
Not Quite  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
I'm saying there are reasons why the market has coalesced around Microsoft  NemesisNL | 03/30/04
Lots of people conclude the wrong thing  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
Not Quite  dshans | 03/31/04
About time...  Patrick Jones | 03/30/04
Deferral  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
Oh.  Patrick Jones | 03/31/04
No, Microsoft's business practices a BIG mistake.  DonnieBoy | 03/30/04
Governments "interfere" with design all the time - for the better  j.m.galvin | 03/30/04
Microsoft security  voska | 03/30/04
Governments "interfere" with design all the time - for the better  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
No difference  j.m.galvin | 03/30/04
No difference  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
re: just one code.  ryusen | 03/30/04
re: just one code.  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
what force?  ryusen | 03/30/04
what force?  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
yep  ryusen | 03/30/04
This isn't security regulations  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
Misrepresentation?  NemesisNL | 03/30/04
Connecting the dots  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
wrong analogy  NemesisNL | 03/31/04
Radio airtime has ALWAYS been open  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
Then why  NemesisNL | 03/31/04
This isn't security regulations  dshans | 03/31/04
guess  richhayes | 03/30/04
Talk about what you know about...  quietLee | 03/31/04
I can't agree with you less, John.  Mack DaNife | 03/30/04
All good reason for using Linux  voska | 03/30/04
Re: All good reason for using Linux  Mack DaNife | 03/30/04
exactly  V Sanders | 03/31/04
I can't agree with you less, John.  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
re:  ryusen | 03/30/04
re:  seosamh_z | 03/30/04
re:  ryusen | 03/30/04
re:  seosamh_z | 03/31/04
maybe...  ryusen | 03/31/04
Some responses  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
Media Player is more API than user application  NemesisNL | 03/30/04
Small correction...  Fred Fredrickson | 03/31/04
power of the  NemesisNL | 03/31/04
Drugs obviously better in Ireland...  scotus | 03/30/04
API  Ardian Daka | 03/30/04
You will note that my response...  scotus | 03/30/04
Anti-trust outdated - your very arguments say otherwise.  mathandmetal | 03/30/04
Uh, Mr. Carroll: MS is a *lawbreaker*. They require oversight.  ordaj@... | 03/30/04
You have it backwards  Mark Gist | 03/30/04
Overflow  pj-xmesh | 03/30/04
Knew it was JC from the title alone ... big bias here  oldskool | 03/30/04
Agree and disagree John.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/30/04
They have to try to maintain their market capitization  j.m.galvin | 03/30/04
I really think it's more about egos.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/30/04
fully agree about the egos (nt)  ryusen | 03/30/04
I think 2 separate MSs would lose market share & value  j.m.galvin | 03/30/04
Maybe, but does it matter?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/30/04
Maybe, but does it matter?  j.m.galvin | 03/30/04
Re: Maybe, but does it matter?  none none | 03/30/04
computting is not a zero-sum-game  oldskool | 03/30/04
Never thought bitty would come around ...  oldskool | 03/30/04
Yes, no and maybe...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/30/04
Standardisation would improve MS productivity  oldskool | 03/30/04
why can't....  ryusen | 03/30/04
POerhaps if you were open to other opinions...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/30/04
who's not reading who's posts well?  ryusen | 03/30/04
I see...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/30/04
The core issues  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
See no evil?  Robert Crocker | 03/30/04
You've missed something critical  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
No one is missing anything...  scotus | 03/31/04
REAL?!? SUBSTANTIVE?!?  Robert Crocker | 03/31/04
John, that's because the whole  ordaj@... | 03/30/04
Before the antitrust trial  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
John, that's the point...  ordaj@... | 03/30/04
Counter points to consider John  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/30/04
Interesting points  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
Ehm not quite  NemesisNL | 03/30/04
Your not listening John.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/30/04
Was it the first building you designed?  j.m.galvin | 03/30/04
No, it was the first time I had this inspector.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/30/04
Again, good point  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
Let me clarify if I can.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/31/04
Middle ground: Stop breaking the law and...  scotus | 03/31/04
Stop the spin ... focus on the core issue  oldskool | 03/30/04
Are you serious?  Mack DaNife | 04/01/04
You negledted to mention the antipathy of the big IT outfits  j.m.galvin | 03/30/04
core issues  Mack DaNife | 04/01/04
removing media player...  ryusen | 03/30/04
locked out  richhayes | 03/30/04
psychologically...  ryusen | 03/30/04
psychologically  richhayes | 03/30/04
really?  ryusen | 03/31/04
you are wrong  V Sanders | 03/31/04
You are wrong too.  Fred Fredrickson | 03/31/04
wow... you should get a job doing this...  ryusen | 03/31/04
Indeed, you're very predictable  avdp | 03/30/04
Predictability  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
Wrong  j.m.galvin | 03/30/04
That IS a ruling  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
Wrong again  j.m.galvin | 03/31/04
every reason to expect  avdp | 03/30/04
Stallman and Carroll are predictable...  scotus | 03/30/04
Apple's and Oranges  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
This I disagree with  Michael Kelly | 03/30/04
The essence of the problem  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
Text editing vs. media playing  Michael Kelly | 03/30/04
why it's wrong...  ryusen | 03/30/04
Re: why it's wrong...  none none | 03/30/04
Of possible interest  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
WRONG!  Robert Crocker | 03/30/04
COWABUNGA!  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
Re: Integrating GOOD technology  George Jay | 03/30/04
good point ... MS has kill VC market for SW companies  oldskool | 03/30/04
VC  A.Sinic | 03/31/04
try to get money ... anti-MS strategy a top concern  oldskool | 03/31/04
No one said it was easy  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
So what you're saying is ...  George Jay | 04/01/04
oh, puh-leeeze!  Robert Crocker | 03/31/04
COWABUNGA......  dshans | 03/31/04
Oh Carroll you got me eatin' my heart away...  BanjoPaterson | 03/30/04
It's NOT about MEdia Player!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/30/04
Correct  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
But the fact is...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/30/04
Okay  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
Sale on red herrings!!!  Robert Crocker | 03/31/04
Re: There should be limits on what governments are allowed  George Jay | 03/31/04
Re: The notion that consumers no longer have control  George Jay | 03/30/04
If I remember correctly...  Michael Kelly | 03/30/04
the REAL problem is MS introduces new formats  oldskool | 03/30/04
So was the OJ verdict  Harvey Birdman | 03/30/04
Thank GOD the EU has more brains than most folks...  realitycheck101 | 03/30/04
I wish you could articulate a thought without the foolishness.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/30/04
WHAT technology?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 03/30/04
How much would this slow development?  NemesisNL | 03/30/04
Inclusion as API, not UI  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/30/04
Hmmm  NemesisNL | 03/30/04
re:  ryusen | 03/30/04
US COA also said MS needed to allow removal by user  oldskool | 03/30/04
The most flawed logic yet  Fred Fredrickson | 03/30/04
What a surprise  zd-spam | 03/30/04
That's because ...  George Jay | 03/30/04
"Integration" is really bundling by another name  George Jay | 03/30/04
News Commentary EC's Microsoft ruling--a big mistake Penalizing the formerly legal - farcical logic  Fred Fredrickson | 03/30/04
What'd you do to the title?  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/31/04
Ah, my secret...  Fred Fredrickson | 03/31/04
John you are boring and too predictable and you are wrong.  systemcleaner | 03/30/04
If only MS would just drop the pretence ...  jellyclock | 03/31/04
We need the standards that Microsoft Provides  MSG_z | 03/31/04
Why must it be MS-created...  MacCanuck | 03/31/04
Response  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 04/01/04
Are you suggesting everyone fold up shop  MacCanuck | 04/01/04
EC's ruling  joseph.like@... | 03/31/04
"design decisions for Windows get taken away from programmers "  rfuller@... | 03/31/04
Capitalism  Mydrrin | 03/31/04
Do I smell an alternative agenda?  Beejaybee | 03/31/04
Do I smell a hidden agenda?  Beejaybee | 03/31/04
EU cash raid on MS  wbathurs | 03/31/04
Perhaps the same could be said of the case in Japan?  B.O.F.H. | 04/01/04
Where are those talented critics?  AdeOghert | 03/31/04
EC doesn't have vested interest in keeping MS powerful  YuridaMan | 03/31/04
Economics  bjbrock | 03/31/04
John professes to have a degree in economics ...  George Jay | 03/31/04
Because John doesn't have a degree in Computer Science  George Jay | 03/31/04
Degrees  John L. Ries | 04/03/04
It's a common complaint  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 04/01/04
Re: It's a common complaint  George Jay | 04/01/04
Amazing as it may seem...  scotus | 04/01/04
BTW, the assumptions required for...  scotus | 04/01/04
more then a big mistake  V Sanders | 03/31/04
Some thoughts  John L. Ries | 04/03/04
Calling John's bluff  Robert Crocker | 04/03/04
Bush's Blunder in Iraq might explain ...  mikemikef | 04/05/04

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