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Re: GPL Bad or Good for the Industry
>> Like most of the anti-GPL crowd, this person equates the computer industry as a whole with a very small segment of the industry.
First, all authoritative estimates I've seen show that less than 30% of professional software developers (possibly much less) are involved in the development of shrink-wrapped software. <<

It doesn?t matter. The continued advances in Windows, MS development systems, and other proprietary OSs and development tools, contribute a great deal to opportunities for custom software being developed. E.g. .Net has allowed Windows programmers to develop a broad range of software solutions they couldn?t do easily before. From web applications to web services; from GUI PC applications, to applications that run on Pocket PC and other embedded systems. .Net / web services allow you to make disparate systems work together; and it allows you to leverage your knowledge of Visual Studio .Net as you move from one kind of project to another, saving lots of time and training and other costs. I could go on and on, but the point is that advances in MS Windows and development tools have significantly expanded opportunities for programmers who do custom software development ? as well software companies that create add-ons for the platform.


>> The majority of us are involved in the development of custom software for our employers/clients that will never see widespread distribution. For us, OSS sometimes provides us with a basis that we can use to jumpstart our projects (and as long as the result is only used internally, the GPL does not require us to distribute our software if we choose not to, although it may be to our advantage to contribute back to the original developers), and the availability of good OSS tools means that our employers/clients have more money available for salaries, better hardware, or R&D of their core products than is the case when they are using expensive proprietary tools. <<

Yes. But for a very long time, add-ons / plug-ins / components / controls have existed in the proprietary world that allow developers to assemble software solutions much more quickly that can generally be done with OSS. All we need to do is look at the object models for the components and use / adapt / extend them the way we want to quickly. Very, very few developers feel the need to see the source code of these components. They simply want them to work as advertised. Plus compatibility issues can arise if you use components from vendors; change its source code; then try to use upgrades to the components. Life is a lot simpler to just use the component, and just adapt it in its binary form.

In general, just as it is with other software, OSS tools are less capable than their proprietary counterparts. Also, development tools contribute only a tiny amount to the cost of a development project. Forgoing much more capable proprietary development tools in order to save a few hundred bucks on OSS tools, will most likely lead to a project that costs appreciably more. There is no credible case that OSS tools save a client money in an overall project. The few hundred bucks it saves a client up front, will probably cost the client much more in overall cost further down the line.

>> As for the hardware/service companies, using OSS and contributing to its development does make sense in both the short and long term. Encouraging its use by their customers frees up the money that would be spent on proprietary software licenses for spending on better hardware and more services. Contributing to the development of OSS shares the cost of software development with other organizations, freeing up R&D funds for other purposes. <<

Just how much money do you think hardware companies are willing to spend on OSS which someone else can take advantage of? Only IBM does this, because in the overall scheme of things, it allows the company to sell an increased cross section of hardware. However, most other OEMs use Red Hat or some other popular distribution?s version of Linux. These hardware companies contribute very little to the development of Linux or other OSS. Hardware companies aren?t socialists. As much as they will tout the sharing model used in OSS development, they have little inclination to do the type and scale of investing proprietary companies do in their own software development.

>> Yes, locking customers into proprietary software that must be upgraded every two or three years, and which cannot be upgraded without hardware upgrades is good for the proprietary software companies and hardware makers in at least the short term, but it is bad for customers. And nothing that is bad for customers can be good for the industry in the long term. <<

In spite of the way you make it sound, it is the above model that made the PC industry grow so dynamically the way it did until the .com bust a few years ago. Have customers overall been at a loss for it? I don't think so. Do you prefer a model where most computers still use green screens and are not affordable to the masses. Do you prefer a model in which the Internet does not expand the way it has today, and opportunities for developers do not open up the way it has currently because of the mass adoption of PCs by businesses and consumers? Do not be so quick to put down the current proprietary PC industry model. Yes, it may have us on an upgrade treadmill. At the same time however, it advances the uses of computers, it makes us able to do more with computers than ever before, it allows for more people to gain access to computers, and it increases opportunities for those create custom software in our jobs.
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dictate procurement practices that disadvantage proprietary software  NemesisNL | 03/02/04
Commodities  wploger | 03/02/04
Err... Hmm. Cost Savings?  Max Llamaton | 03/02/04
I have three computers....  wploger | 03/02/04
I think the point he was making...  Mark Miller | 03/07/04
Re: Err...Hmm. Cost Savings?  Mack DaNife | 03/09/04
my post...  wploger | 03/02/04
I Agree  coffeenite | 03/03/04
you're right  ryusen | 03/03/04
A bit late to the party...Proprietary == Open Source  Fred Fredrickson | 03/08/04
Let them eat straw?  Robert Crocker | 03/02/04
I *agree* with John's points, I think?!  jim_oflaherty_jr | 03/03/04
I disagree with one aspect  Chad_z | 03/02/04
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John doesn't want to admit that  Bobby Sskcat | 03/02/04
Local discounts  Ardian Daka | 03/02/04
yes  Hanover Phist | 03/02/04
No!  CDarklock | 03/04/04
You describe drugs very well  voska | 03/04/04
This is called "capitalism".  CDarklock | 03/03/04
Software has a differnt angel though  voska | 03/03/04
Lock-in  CDarklock | 03/04/04
That's not really the Lock In I'm thinking of  voska | 03/04/04
I don't call that lock-in.  CDarklock | 03/05/04
Is it just me?  Mack DaNife | 03/09/04
Well this article really takes the cake  Aphelion | 03/02/04
The King's taster...  techboy_z | 03/02/04
Fallacy of Four Terms  rp518dan | 03/02/04
Very well done!  John Le'Brecage | 03/02/04
Why it isn't so  OleAndersen | 03/02/04
I couldn't have said it better!!!  nachokb | 03/03/04
The GPL is Just Plain Bad for the Computer Industry  P. Douglas | 03/02/04
But that's exactly the point  rapson | 03/02/04
Wrong industry  Robert Crocker | 03/02/04
Re: GPL Bad or Good for the Industry  criderja | 03/02/04
In the words of Ed McMann.....  Ployd_Farker | 03/02/04
So, I agree the GPL is bad for that small segment of the computer industry  NemesisNL | 03/02/04
Re: GPL Bad or Good for the Industry  P. Douglas | 03/02/04
You answered you own question  voska | 03/03/04
as the innovations just wouldn?t be there  NemesisNL | 03/02/04
Re: Biggest drive for MS to innovate there is  George Jay | 03/02/04
innovation?  mdibergi | 03/02/04
It's one reason I don't use IE  voska | 03/03/04
Odds that this person never used a tabbed browser?  hlampert | 03/05/04
I have.  CDarklock | 03/05/04
This is the reason for my initial interst in Linux  k12linux_z | 03/02/04
Innovation comes from need  voska | 03/03/04
Very insightful  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/04/04
intellectual property...  Not average Joe | 03/02/04
ibm's doing just fine, so's hp  hipparchus | 03/02/04
Myths, Fallacies and innacuracies  k12linux_z | 03/02/04
No competence??  nachokb | 03/03/04
Are you as upset with people posting free recipes on the net?  voska | 03/03/04
Open source is PC Industry's Father  NoDough | 03/03/04
Re: Open source is PC Industry's Father  P. Douglas | 03/04/04
Re: Re: Open source is PC Industry's Father  NoDough | 03/04/04
You don't understand the GPL  Fred Fredrickson | 03/08/04
Re: The GPL is Just Plain Bad for the Computer Industry  Mack DaNife | 03/09/04
Re: Cake analogy  criderja | 03/02/04
Cake is essentially zero  voska | 03/03/04
John, why don't you write a piece on...  ordaj@... | 03/02/04
I'm not a programmer, but I take advantage of source code.  Michael Kelly | 03/02/04
John Carroll - too much money-care to see a bigger picture.  Vily Clay | 03/02/04
Yawn, not this again John  hipparchus | 03/02/04
Extremely boring  zd-spam | 03/02/04
Preaching to the bakers?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/02/04
Not really  Robert Crocker | 03/02/04
Doesn't makes sense  voska | 03/03/04
Hey I used to be a baker  voska | 03/03/04
Newsflash: Carrol allegory ignores history.  John Le'Brecage | 03/02/04
Poor analogy  dcarrera | 03/02/04
A Better Analogy  CT_z | 03/02/04
Even cake is open source  billmason | 03/02/04
Ingredients are not the recipe  voska | 03/04/04
Like it or not  qu1j0t3 | 03/02/04
Excellent  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/03/04
Good luck!  John Le'Brecage | 03/03/04
Yes...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/03/04
that explains alot  ryusen | 03/03/04
man i bet your dying....  JoeMama_z | 03/03/04
Me too it seems  JoeMama_z | 03/03/04
nog...  ryusen | 03/03/04
Man, that was painful  Eggs Ackley_z | 03/04/04
Analogy applies to RMS only - NOT to open source  Eggs Ackley_z | 03/03/04
What is going on here?  r0ckflite | 03/03/04
A very workable analogy  voska | 03/03/04
couldn't agree more  fosterd42 | 03/03/04
Open Source Vs. Proprietary  JoeMama_z | 03/03/04
More like civil disobedience....  NemesisNL | 03/04/04
Very nearly.  CDarklock | 03/04/04
John Le'Brecage is correct, but John Carroll means well...  awaretek | 03/04/04
The Passion of RMS?  hlampert | 03/05/04
Yes, intersting comments...  awaretek | 03/05/04
To those who care  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 03/05/04
Moving the goalposts again?  Robert Crocker | 03/08/04
only from john (NT)  JWatson77 | 03/05/04
Using a bad analogy doesn't prove your point  hlampert | 03/05/04
Good analogy happy  Mark Miller | 03/07/04
Open source radicals  msulli27@... | 03/12/04

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