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I Bought into nothing
I fully understand what your saying. I should not be stopped from making a backup copy of any CD I own in the chance the original could be damaged while stored in my car. If I want to put the cd's into my computer to create a cd of my favorite songs, I should have the right, just as I have the right to take bits and pieces from various tool kits to create my own tool kit I carry in my truck.

Unfortuneatly, since no one can verify my intent when I make a copy of my cd, or put them into my computer, what choice do the labels have? I'm paying the price along with the pirates for their illegal activity.

As for the labels wanting to charge you 4 times for the same song, well, thats their right. Just becuase you bought a CD of your favorite artist does not entitle you to another copy free of charge. Same with the CD vs. 99 cent download.
I should not have to pay extra for the maintenance of the download site in the cost of a CD purchase, so that money has to come from somewhere, hence paying again to download the song.

So, I "bought" into nothing, I just comprehend the cause and effect.
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Linus...read "digital RESTRICTION management..."  Grayson Peddie | 02/03/06
Enforce?  George Mitchell | 02/03/06
BINGO!  bill@... | 02/03/06
You can't?  bill@... | 02/03/06
Can't control what you watch, only where you watch  John Zern | 02/03/06
Force? It's not yours to force anything.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
Right On!  Hemlock_z | 02/03/06
Does this make sense or what?  George Mitchell | 02/03/06
Yes in every possible way!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
I agree  crocd | 02/06/06
I think the problems with GPL3 are way overblown.  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
Why should he participate at all?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
He does not have to participate, but the tissy fits put him in a bad light.  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
Dude, you need a history course. (Amoung other things)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
Linus Torvalds wrote the kernel using the sweat and blood from Stallmans  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
Are you really that friggin clueless?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
The kernel is a very small part of the OS. Torvalds used all of the other  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
My fault, I thought logic and reason would work with you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
Why are you determined to make this into a religeous crusade?  George Mitchell | 02/04/06
Bit off  node357 | 02/05/06
Everything is replaceable.  Suicida| | 02/06/06
Linus not constructive?  A.Sinic | 02/06/06
But it's not Linus who is crusading on this ...  George Mitchell | 02/04/06
Linus is standing for ignorance on this not reason  hipparchus2001 | 02/05/06
There Can Be Only One...  bill@... | 02/03/06
Why does my local music store lockup at night?  John Zern | 02/03/06
It's different..  Laff | 02/03/06
Your fist sentence said it all....  John Zern | 02/04/06
Right of first sale  tic swayback | 02/04/06
Simply Illegal  Mectron | 12/01/06
Key words:  tic swayback | 02/03/06
DRM covers the content  thetargos | 02/04/06
Very nicely said  John Zern | 02/04/06
Nicely said, but based on an incorrect premise  tic swayback | 02/04/06
And don't forget...  Tony Agudo | 02/04/06
I Bought into nothing  John Zern | 02/04/06
Buying into it  tic swayback | 02/05/06
Maybe this is why my view is slightly differnt  John Zern | 02/05/06
We're in agreement  tic swayback | 02/06/06
But after I buy it, it is MY content  tic swayback | 02/04/06
Curious. Who were the artists  John Zern | 02/04/06
Here's the list  tic swayback | 02/05/06
Makes sense. Alienating your fans  John Zern | 02/05/06
Not only but also...  Fred Fredrickson | 02/05/06
So when that dollars-worth of medium...  s_gamgee | 02/07/06
Torvalds says DRM isn't necessarily bad  Loverock Davidson | 02/03/06
RE: Torvalds says DRM isn't necessarily bad  richdave | 02/03/06
RE: Torvalds says DRM isn't necessarily bad  Loverock Davidson | 02/03/06
you are one against mainy  stormdoor | 02/03/06
Mr. chime in with 2 cents speaks again  Loverock Davidson | 02/03/06
Re: Zealots  Suicida| | 02/06/06
I'm with you man!  just^me | 02/04/06
Or the morons who bleet "anything but OSS"  mdsmedia | 02/10/06
Linus should keep his mouth shut and participate in the GPL3.  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
You managed to get one tiny part right.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
Dude, it is HIS ansd he makes the decision on license.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
No, Linus does not own the kernel, he is one of many contributers.  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
He "owns" all the important parts, that's all that's needed.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
He still has no right to force his will on everybody else, the whole idea  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
I don't think he wants the "respect" of useless zealots...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
Oh contrare, it's his, he can use any license he wants.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
Again, for those with an IQ in single digits, Linus does NOT own Linux, or  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
Good for the community  #_z | 02/03/06
The opinion of Linus Torvalds will matter less every day if he does not  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
You're absolutely right  Michael Kelly | 02/03/06
Linus is ONLY one of the contributers to the kernel. Yes an important  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
Someone needs a lesson in what a kernel is  Been_around_the_block | 02/03/06
DonnieBoy has a hard time seeing out his basement window  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
The kernel is NOT the OS. You could install GNOME, X-Windows, and  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
Re: The kernel is NOT the OS  Michael Kelly | 02/03/06
Oh, so now the OS is the drivers. Linus wrote very few of those too.  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
DonnieBoy or DinnieBaby???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
Not the owner?  node357 | 02/05/06
As far as if I took the Linux codebase changed it and called it NoAx  hipparchus2001 | 02/05/06
I think you and Stallman should work for free.  osreinstall | 02/03/06
In that case, you would not like the GPL2 or GPL3.  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
Everyone loves free stuff except the giver when it is mandatory.  osreinstall | 02/03/06
Don't confuse businessmen with wanna be's.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
The guys at RedHat, MySQL, JBoss, SleepyCat, and others are very happy with  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
Red Hat SELLS Linux you fool.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
RedHat sells support, but they also contribute greatly to the kernel.  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
I always refer it from the owner's viewpoint.  osreinstall | 02/03/06
I would direct those that don't like the GPL to the BSD kernel.  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
No one is limiting anything...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
This talkback is about GPL2 vs GPL3, and nobody said  DonnieBoy | 02/03/06
Go read your post again zealot...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
I never felt screwed. But then the ball was in my court.  osreinstall | 02/03/06
Stop beating him with facts, it won't work on a zealot.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
Come'on Ax, I am in a sadistic mood.  osreinstall | 02/03/06
Oh, ok. Ummm, wanna borrow my clue stick?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
No I prefer a Louisville Slugger made of Hickory.  osreinstall | 02/04/06
Re: Everyone loves free stuff except the giver when it is mandatory.  none none | 02/03/06
Yes it is mandatory.  osreinstall | 02/04/06
No he doesen't  Suicida| | 02/06/06
Torvalds is wrong!  Linux Geek | 02/03/06
You go support it, I'll stand here and laugh at you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
Why haven't they done that already?  Michael Kelly | 02/03/06
My perception of Linus T. just went up several notchs.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
You support Linus, don't you?  Grayson Peddie | 02/03/06
Yes and yes...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
RE: Yes and yes...  richdave | 02/03/06
From my perspective.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
From my perspective.  CobraA1 | 02/05/06
my opinion went down  Linux Geek | 02/03/06
As if anyone cares...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
Oops, didn't see your post  NonZealot | 02/03/06
The thought of providing "private"  bjbrock | 02/03/06
A few points  Tony Agudo | 02/03/06
I just gained so much respect for Linus!  NonZealot | 02/03/06
AMEN!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/03/06
I thought Linus INVENTED Linux? [text inside]  BlazeEagle | 02/03/06
His invention, he doesn't own the copyright to it.  mobrien_12@... | 02/03/06
Torvalds=Bill Gates wanabe  DarthRidiculous | 02/03/06
Linus Torvalds vs. Abraham Lincoln.  Vily Clay | 02/03/06
Are you even listening to yourself?  Michael Kelly | 02/04/06
Yes, you have rights to fight for freedom to be a wolf = for making wars.  Vily Clay | 02/04/06
Hey metaphor man. You are off your meds.  osreinstall | 02/04/06
There is only one freedom in this Universe that is FREE OF CHARGE ? ...  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
You also have the freedom of choice to stay insane Vily.  osreinstall | 02/05/06
If you, ?sane? person, fight for freedom to be screwed ? ...  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
Mankind doesn't need high tech to kill each other.  osreinstall | 02/05/06
Of course not. Sheep can accomplish the process without high-tech. (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
That made no sense Vily  osreinstall | 02/05/06
osreinstall, back to school and you?ll MAY get it (may not). (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
You are beyond interpretation Day Room Disciple.  osreinstall | 02/05/06
osreinstall, I know ? nothing can stop your diarrhea of the mouth.  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
The only thing you can help, is yourself to another donut.  osreinstall | 02/05/06
osreinstall, you could of write it shorter ? ...  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
.....  CobraA1 | 02/05/06
You came to the next stage of the discussion ? that?s pretty good.  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
re: next stage of discussion  CobraA1 | 02/06/06
Why are you trying to judge things you do not know (in your first reply)?  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
law of evolution?  Spoon Jabber | 02/06/06
The word, "Theory"  tic swayback | 02/06/06
You're right  Spoon Jabber | 02/06/06
Oops, forgot  Spoon Jabber | 02/06/06
Umm, tic . . .  CobraA1 | 02/06/06
Spoon and Cobra  tic swayback | 02/06/06
Not semantics Tic  Spoon Jabber | 02/06/06
It's got to be testable  tic swayback | 02/06/06
How to test?  Spoon Jabber | 02/06/06
the nature of evidence. . .  CobraA1 | 02/06/06
Thanks OS, are you saying...  Spoon Jabber | 02/06/06
Sorry, above post to Cobra (NT)  Spoon Jabber | 02/06/06
re: spoon  CobraA1 | 02/06/06
Spoon  tic swayback | 02/07/06
That's evidence I'd like to see  tic swayback | 02/07/06
re: That's evidence I'd like to see  CobraA1 | 02/10/06
Any idea why I did not reply on your evolution-denial? (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/13/06
Do you even understand what freedoms are?  B.O.F.H. | 02/05/06
Stallman is way out there  osreinstall | 02/05/06
osreinstakll, stop with the anti-copyright/license rants!  B.O.F.H. | 02/05/06
Quit your complaining  osreinstall | 02/05/06
If you have no money ? NOTHING will protect your invention but the GPL (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
Sorry Vily, the GPL is adversarial to patents.  osreinstall | 02/05/06
osreinstall, how old are you? (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
Old enough to know there ain't no free lunch.  osreinstall | 02/05/06
So it is equal to a 5-year-old boy ? that?s what I was suspecting. (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
Your logic still amazes me.  osreinstall | 02/05/06
It?s because your mind is on the level of a 5-year-old boy. (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
Insanity is not maturity, Vily  osreinstall | 02/05/06
If you don?t understand FERMA?S THEOREM ? Ferma is a lunatic, right? (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
Linus can do whatever he wants with his own software  hipparchus2001 | 02/05/06
You are right - Bill Gates & Co can kill Linux by DRM.  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
re:  CobraA1 | 02/06/06
Both elections. Read more about why it was done ...  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
I've heard all that a million times  CobraA1 | 02/06/06
If you believe ? the Earth is rounded, tell me why so? It looks flat. (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
lol (nt)  CobraA1 | 02/07/06
So why do you believe Bush-makers are not 9/11 mastermind? (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/07/06
So why do you believe Bush-makers are not 9/11 mastermind?  Vily Clay | 02/07/06
Linux and DRM  ditperth@... | 02/06/06
Would pgp-signed security update announcments be banned under GPL 3?  dabruro | 02/04/06
Jesus, let's not all talk at once here!  Jeff Spicoli | 02/04/06
Exactly!!!  Michael Kelly | 02/05/06
The problem is DRM always will be abused. It?s inevitable.  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
If you take away DRM  Michael Kelly | 02/05/06
But if you?ll give the ?right people? the ?right? tools (e.g. DRM) - ...  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
He would have to go after himself!  osreinstall | 02/06/06
If you love DRM ? why won?t you live with handcuffs? Same pleasure. (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
Vily, I think Nurse Ratchet DRMed you.  osreinstall | 02/06/06
osreinstall, since when you are a handcuff-masochist? (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
hmm . . .  CobraA1 | 02/05/06
Be careful what you write.  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
re: Be careful what you write.  CobraA1 | 02/06/06
And how this BS is relevant to me? Any details? (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
If logic is BS, then I have no more to say (NT)  CobraA1 | 02/06/06
If you're trying to use logic in the Middle Ages to nowadays ?it?s BS. (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
I have no more to say then.  CobraA1 | 02/07/06
You forgot to mention ? you showed no logic/arguments to prove your points.  Vily Clay | 02/07/06
Just because a tool can be abused doesn't mean it has to be abolished.  osreinstall | 02/06/06
Osr-l, what you learn in your kindergarten doesn?t match with reality. (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
ok  CobraA1 | 02/09/06
Let?s use your own words against you.  Vily Clay | 02/09/06
re: Let's use your own words against you.  CobraA1 | 02/09/06
Your ?logic? ?proves? that White and Black is the same color. (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/13/06
Linus linus, DRM is not just encryption and signing  hipparchus2001 | 02/05/06
Spot on.  mobrien_12@... | 02/05/06
Explanation of what is this DRM on a user-friendly language.  Vily Clay | 02/05/06
My handcuffs came with a key!  Spoon Jabber | 02/06/06
They need to turn people into jail-ready slaves by legal blackmail. (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
Right, I forgot about soilent green!  Spoon Jabber | 02/06/06
It is quite humorous when psych wards have internet access.  osreinstall | 02/06/06
Wow, masochist-osreinstall believes he is normal. Dream on. (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
I never thought I was normal. Just more rational than you.  osreinstall | 02/06/06
You proved the first part but you've no logic/arguments to be rational (NT)  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
Spoon Jabber, are you in the same kindergarten with osreinstall?  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
No, I'm only three yrs old  Spoon Jabber | 02/06/06
You judge things you don?t know and upset you are wrong. Logic?  Vily Clay | 02/06/06
Vily, I think you are violating curfew rules.  osreinstall | 02/06/06
For all my critics:  Vily Clay | 02/07/06
Protection vs. Innovation  robapacl@... | 02/08/06
Stop polishing a turd...  MCollier | 04/18/06
polishing a turd...  MCollier | 04/18/06
That's 2 more people working on he GPL3  MCollier | 04/18/06

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