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>There was two smart things Bill did back then, he leverage someone else's idea by buying the OS for $50,000 and then license with OS to IBM instead of selling or having a non-exclusive contact as you said.

With the anti-trust suit settlement just a few years earlier hanging over IBM, would they have been more likely to press for an exclusive license?
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All for competition. When Microsoft competes, they lose!  DonnieBoy | 02/10/04
I agree .....  el1jones | 02/10/04
A history lesson  vferrara | 02/10/04
You gave a little bit of revisionist history.  batnik | 02/10/04
PC-DOS was an IBM offering  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
I wasn't aware of the competitive offerings  vferrara | 02/10/04
Further illustrating the advantage of preload  IT_User | 02/10/04
Preload? What is that?  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
You're right. Must be.  IT_User | 02/10/04
I remember the 4 MB harddrive  voska | 04/13/04
So why choose IBM?  vferrara | 02/10/04
PC-DOS was an IBM offering  jahruler@... | 02/10/04
Almost right, but not quite  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
Okay - but more history  vferrara | 02/10/04
Microsoft has been the developer's friend  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
not quite correct on QDOS/MSDOS  B.O.F.H. | 02/10/04
Bundled Free  ddollinger | 02/12/04
I'll add to the history lesson  IT_User | 02/10/04
Nice historical spin  dwest_z | 02/10/04
A little more revision  IT_User | 02/10/04
What if  randomletter | 02/10/04
Are you on crack?  Rick_K | 02/10/04
I'm not smoking anything - never have  vferrara | 02/10/04
MS never really earned the monopoly  voska | 04/13/04
What?  Rodney Davis | 02/10/04
Superior??  dwest_z | 02/10/04
Incredible  Rodney Davis | 02/11/04
Be realistic  John Dulles | 05/18/04
Absolute Revisionist History Lesson  LazLong | 02/10/04
Re: A history lesson  krisan | 02/10/04
Re: A history lesson  Oldster | 02/13/04
Not quite Right  mabricen | 03/17/04
You've Ignored MS's Dirty Underhanded Dealings  claytonmuhler | 03/15/04
Finally..  FreeBSD | 06/07/04
Not quite right history  mabricen | 03/17/04
Bravo  r0ckflite | 02/10/04
Non-Tech Savy Folks and Downloading...  Max Llamaton | 02/11/04
Oh I'd challenge this to some extent...  rbethell | 02/10/04
Microsoft was the enemy  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
Enemy? Not yet.  cd2_z | 02/10/04
Great point, MS earned their monopoly fair and square.  DonnieBoy | 02/10/04
Tortoise and the Hare  jfrankcarr | 02/10/04
A Poor Understanding of Monopolies  slapmaxwell | 02/13/04
All for competition  IT Security Guy | 03/18/04
Micorsoft Google incident  jettzen | 02/10/04
Interesting  RedHat9User | 02/10/04
MS vs Sony = poor analogy  ejhonda | 02/10/04
Huh?  vferrara | 02/10/04
Huh?  krisan | 02/10/04
Lest we forget......  Rick_K | 02/10/04
Right, poor analogy  mabricen | 03/17/04
Good thing this says commentary..  Patrick Jones | 02/10/04
Yep, Realplayer blows  haxmya | 02/16/04
Hasn't MS anything to do with it?  mabricen | 03/17/04
Nice try  Arrg | 02/10/04
Donnie Boy 1 John Carroll 0  jellyclock | 02/10/04
it's all up to the competitors  Ardian Daka | 02/10/04
Maybe I missed something..  Patrick Jones | 02/10/04
You are correct  Richard Flude | 02/10/04
Integration  Letophoro | 02/10/04
They would have to pay every OEM, AND then there would be two apps.  DonnieBoy | 02/10/04
Silly boy!  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
Please explain  Patrick Jones | 02/10/04
It's simple  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
That's not simple..  Patrick Jones | 02/10/04
You're not paying attention  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
I am paying attention.  Patrick Jones | 02/10/04
Because they need a programmatic way...  epaval@... | 02/10/04
Maybe...  Patrick Jones | 02/10/04
Partnering with Microsoft....  Rick_K | 02/10/04
Worries!!!  mabricen | 02/11/04
Please explain these statements further  RedHat9User | 02/10/04
The operative words are "Microsoft needs"  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
It don't matter  ddollinger | 02/12/04
Stuff  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
Why?? you asked  mabricen | 02/11/04
Fix IE not to go to MS Search  voska | 04/13/04
You are describing how you either partner with MS or bye bye.  DonnieBoy | 02/10/04
Great Example of MS Partnering! ...SpyGlass  LazLong | 02/10/04
Ethics  mabricen | 02/11/04
s/Google/Netscape/g  Robert Crocker | 02/10/04
correction  Ardian Daka | 02/10/04
Not a correction  Robert Crocker | 02/10/04
Not so  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
Just because a thief doesn't get caught..  Patrick Jones | 02/10/04
wrong  Ardian Daka | 02/10/04
I don't think so..  Patrick Jones | 02/10/04
Reply to Patrick  Ardian Daka | 02/10/04
These talkbacks are horrible!  Patrick Jones | 02/10/04
Thewy really are  Ardian Daka | 02/10/04
wrong  krisan | 02/10/04
To Patrick Jones  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
To John Carroll  Patrick Jones | 02/11/04
To Patrick Jones (again)  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
Kind of silly  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
No.  Patrick Jones | 02/10/04
Suggestion  RedHat9User | 02/10/04
Oh wait..  Patrick Jones | 02/10/04
Re: Suggestion  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
Why the scare quote?  Robert Crocker | 02/10/04
Not a fact  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
WTF?  Robert Crocker | 02/10/04
RE: WTF  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
don't agree  Ardian Daka | 02/10/04
Put away your straw  Robert Crocker | 02/10/04
Who has a straw?  Ardian Daka | 02/10/04
It is implied  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
English comprehension problems?  Robert Crocker | 02/10/04
Re: Comprehension problems  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
Sorry Roberto....  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
Not true  rapson | 02/10/04
Apology to Robert  rapson | 02/10/04
To John and Carl re monopoly  Robert Crocker | 02/11/04
To Robert  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
to John: argue cause v effect?  Robert Crocker | 02/11/04
Rob, you're avoiding the obvious  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/12/04
John, and your twisting the obvious  Robert Crocker | 02/12/04
Last post on this thread  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/12/04
Can't let you get the last word...  Robert Crocker | 02/12/04
To Robert  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/13/04
To Robert, a real post  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/13/04
Easy Solution to the Integration Question  bidemytime | 02/10/04
Why should they try it?  vferrara | 02/10/04
They won't because they can't win that way  bidemytime | 02/10/04
You ignore history  vferrara | 02/10/04
"Prove to me"?  bidemytime | 02/10/04
John's opinion is so biased  Rick_K | 02/10/04
The beginning of it all  cd2_z | 02/10/04
Integrating a competing product into Windows??  Anton Philidor | 02/10/04
Have you ever used Mozilla?  RedHat9User | 02/10/04
Nope, no reason.  Anton Philidor | 02/10/04
weak response  RedHat9User | 02/10/04
IE 6, the glory of software  Anton Philidor | 02/10/04
Is that what he said?  RedHat9User | 02/10/04
Yeah.  Anton Philidor | 02/10/04
Choice can be offered in several ways...  NemesisNL | 02/11/04
IE 6, the glory of software  krisan | 02/10/04
I guess it depends on what Microsoft plans  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
Agreed; we don't know...  Anton Philidor | 02/11/04
They'll copy Sherlock - with changes  j.m.galvin | 02/11/04
To Anton, true  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
To j.m. galvin...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
To J. Carroll - Bet they won't  j.m.galvin | 02/11/04
Maybe Google can, but why should they?  Anton Philidor | 02/11/04
Only because of competion from Mozilla  voska | 04/13/04
There are two key reasons why Mozilla isn't more widely adopted  George Jay | 02/10/04
Some comments  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
Standardizing doesn't foster diversity  Anton Philidor | 02/11/04
Some response  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
If your argument revolves around this ...  dr praetorius | 02/10/04
It's easy to see  StorageGuru | 02/10/04
Early MS Competition?  dr praetorius | 02/10/04
IE 6 download forced by Auto Update not choice  christopherpriest@... | 02/10/04
I would like to see new hardwaref from Microsoft  Repeal | 02/10/04
Your argument is self defeating  annapoal | 02/10/04
Google's near monopoly  Anton Philidor | 02/10/04
Picking and choosing a bit  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
Microsoft taking on Google  johnvbrennan@... | 02/10/04
Microsoft and biased searches  jellyclock | 02/10/04
RE:Microsoft and biased searches  johnvbrennan@... | 02/10/04
Competition OK, but will we be able to use what's left?  jhickman@... | 02/10/04
Microsoft and their biased MSN searches  George Jay | 02/10/04
Google isn't biased????  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/10/04
(NT) The point is ... I don't have a choice which search to use with IE  George Jay | 02/10/04
Not true  rapson | 02/13/04
You must be using a different version  George Jay | 02/14/04
IE 6  rapson | 02/14/04
I'm using IE6  voska | 04/13/04
Google biased?  j.m.galvin | 02/11/04
Where the argument falls apart.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/10/04
Oligopoly or monopoly; does it matter?  Anton Philidor | 02/10/04
But, competition requires competitors.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/10/04
Alternatives to Microsoft  Anton Philidor | 02/11/04
Ok, here goes...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/04
You're underestimating Open Source  j.m.galvin | 02/11/04
Exactly right.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/04
I don't agree  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
Please John, a bit of reality is needed  NemesisNL | 02/11/04
Microsoft does know how to win, don't they  Anton Philidor | 02/11/04
Google's not an application  j.m.galvin | 02/11/04
Was thinking about the Google Toolbar...  Anton Philidor | 02/11/04
Don't think so  j.m.galvin | 02/11/04
Reality  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
Apples and oranges  j.m.galvin | 02/11/04
the stuff targeted at that 95%  NemesisNL | 02/11/04
John, are you alright ? Sure your're not sick ? Sure, sure ???  Huston_we_have_a_problem | 02/11/04
John, were is the competition?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/04
OK, I can't take it anymore!!!  Robert Crocker | 02/11/04
Robert, I think you misread me.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/04
What is the solution?  j.m.galvin | 02/11/04
Re-writing the laws is in order.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/04
To: No Ax - my guess  j.m.galvin | 02/11/04
To j.m. Galvin You may be right, but...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/04
To No Ax: I thought a court ordered breakup OK  j.m.galvin | 02/11/04
Interesting  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/12/04
Really Interesting  Robert Crocker | 02/12/04
To Rob...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/12/04
Not quite there yet.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04
To No Ax  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/12/04
You don't understand anti-trust  Fred Fredrickson | 02/12/04
Fred, I have one question.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04
To No Ax & Fred Antitrust can be proactive  j.m.galvin | 02/12/04
JM Galvin: Wow!  Fred Fredrickson | 03/18/04
More  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/12/04
If that is the best reason, it falls far short.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04
More More  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/12/04
Indeed a powerful combo ... Right to the point!  Huston_we_have_a_problem | 02/12/04
And more and more and more and more and more and  j.m.galvin | 02/12/04
Let's not spin the history, shall we?  WhoIsDaMan | 02/12/04
No_Ax_to_Grind, you cannot win against John  George Jay | 02/14/04
Less PC games than console  voska | 04/13/04
That's not what "competitive marketplace" means.  CDarklock | 06/23/04
damn I miss...  Arm A. Geddon | 02/10/04
Re: LAM  John L. Ries | 02/10/04
lamlaw  Arm A. Geddon | 02/10/04
I miss him like I miss cancer.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/04
Depends on how they do it.  John L. Ries | 02/10/04
Try the msn search beta here  jwillaims707 | 02/10/04
Sense!  Sandman23 | 02/10/04
Carrol's spin is that MS is actually good for competetion  Richard Flude | 02/10/04
Responses, Responses...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
IBM, Oracle, Apple, Novell, Sun, BEA, SAP  NemesisNL | 02/11/04
Why does that matter?  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  NemesisNL | 02/11/04
An answer  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/12/04
'Cept they don't win on features  Rick R | 02/12/04
John, you've got an obsession ...  Huston_we_have_a_problem | 02/12/04
Really, what competition is there...  Richard Flude | 02/11/04
in a past time he would of wore a white coned hat  JWatson77 | 02/16/04
Great spin - 'Comical Ali' now in the service of Microsoft?  Hang_Phrang_Kang | 02/10/04
'Comical Ali' now in the service of Microsoft?  krisan | 02/10/04
John is making a good point ... I would take it further.  George Mitchell | 02/10/04
Great spin - 'Comical Ali' now in the service of Microsoft?  Hang_Phrang_Kang | 02/10/04
You haven't been around here long, have you?  George Jay | 02/10/04
an unusual role  EP_z | 02/10/04
Mr Carroll is an open source developer of MS ad copy  jellyclock | 02/11/04
Whatever you need...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
Arrogance and the usual evasion  jellyclock | 02/11/04
You had a point?  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/11/04
You had a point?  jwynton@... | 02/11/04
He had a VERY GOOD point  j.m.galvin | 02/11/04
Then he should have made it.  Anton Philidor | 02/11/04
No accusations have been made  jellyclock | 02/11/04
Ah, a point! But Mr Carroll gets paid to produce:  Anton Philidor | 02/11/04
To put it simply, ...  Eggs Ackley_z | 02/11/04
Ludicrous (Microsoft/Google Incident)  jwynton@... | 02/11/04
What's "fair"  Bill Weisgerber | 02/11/04
Re: "Whatt's Fair"  jwynton@... | 02/11/04
Call them what you want to call them  Bill Weisgerber | 02/11/04
re: Call them what you want to call them  bgoss@... | 02/12/04
You are right, MS does have the right to enter  mlindl | 02/15/04
A challenge to John C. (or others)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/11/04
My response is higher up  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/12/04
Re: My response is higher up  jwynton@... | 02/13/04
Not Modular or Object Oriented  George Jay | 02/15/04
A response  Robert Crocker | 02/12/04
re: A challenge  bgoss@... | 02/12/04
I think you've lost the plot, John  Fred Fredrickson | 02/12/04
Is John Carroll a pseudonym for Bill Gates?  Rick R | 02/12/04
Lies, Damned lies, and John Carroll's lies.  dicktaurus@... | 02/12/04
If this article was a singing contest,...  mlindl | 02/13/04
A Couple of Points  almacal | 02/17/04
Microsoft Targets Another Service  rwmiller | 02/17/04
Micro-oogle  matthew.graff@... | 06/18/04
RE: John Carroll  Aphelion | 07/11/04

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