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Ice, they are supporting it their way.: Just because ODF is open doesn't make it free of someone else's IP. MS trusts no one and they are smart and pragmatic for it. It must have been Bill Gates's fellow students passing around his IP without getting paid for it. Never again! MS wants to be IP independent of others.; Posted by: osreinstall Posted on: 12/13/05 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Finally...some common sense bob2cam | 12/13/05

Office 12 jinko | 12/13/05

IBM trying to block it, Gee, I wonder why? No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

tombalablomba | 12/13/05

Huh??? No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

You have it backwards... Linux User 147560 | 12/13/05

Why would anyone want a 3% solution? No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

Is the check from Redmond late this month, Axey? Judas I. | 12/13/05

Message has been deleted. Judas I. | 12/13/05

Must suck to be such a lousy Windows Admin Confused by religion | 12/13/05

Message has been deleted. Confused by religion | 12/13/05

Hey, Milly, must suck to not know anything about ... Judas I. | 12/13/05

Message has been deleted. Judas I. | 12/13/05

Can't get WHICH job done? DarrellM | 12/13/05

This job... No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

No_Ax, what kind of scam are you jacarter3 | 12/13/05

Linux could never deliver if MS was banned. osreinstall | 12/13/05

Your out of your mind IceTheNet@... | 12/13/05

Legacy jknight_z | 12/13/05

Takes a little more than some technical ability. osreinstall | 12/13/05

Legacy apps nomorems | 12/13/05

WinXP was the one with trouble with legacy apps. osreinstall | 12/13/05

Cost jknight_z | 12/13/05

You guys manufacture problems. osreinstall | 12/13/05

Linux could never deliver if MS was banned. osreinstall | 12/13/05

ZDNet javascript should be banned. osreinstall | 12/13/05

I second that motion IceTheNet@... | 12/13/05

Message has been deleted. IceTheNet@... | 12/13/05

I know what you mean, osreinstall. Judas I. | 12/13/05

Message has been deleted. Judas I. | 12/13/05

The problem with that view ... Judas I. | 12/13/05

Banning closed formats is restaint of trade osreinstall | 12/13/05

I don't understand how that could be restraint of trade, Judas I. | 12/13/05

I think that is why they are looking at MS's implementation. osreinstall | 12/13/05

your so very wrong IceTheNet@... | 12/13/05

Ice, they are supporting it their way. osreinstall | 12/13/05

No, no, os. Judas I. | 12/13/05

Conspiracy appeals to those that have very little insight. osreinstall | 12/13/05

Didn't answer my question, os: Judas I. | 12/13/05

No problem OB osreinstall | 12/13/05

But that doesn't explain why all those other guys, Judas I. | 12/14/05

Sure it does osreinstall | 12/14/05

And how can OSS "focus on their own tech" when ... Judas I. | 12/14/05

You compete by offering better deals osreinstall | 12/14/05

In order to compete, you have to get onto the playing field. Judas I. | 12/14/05

Only the retail customer viewpoint matters. osreinstall | 12/14/05

os, hey, when I went shopping for my first VCR ... Judas I. | 12/14/05

I see you are still blaming the others. osreinstall | 12/14/05

Oh, osreinstall, have mercy! Judas I. | 12/14/05

I have my moments. osreinstall | 12/14/05

Reading can be difficult tombalablomba | 12/13/05

Perhaps you missed this bit Chad_z | 12/13/05

XML is as generic as it gets. No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

The problem is, do we have any guarantee MS will NOT extend the standard??? DonnieBoy | 12/13/05

Of course it WILL be expanded. No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

so-called standards... jbroche18 | 12/13/05

Sure there are specific uses for a standard, but not most. No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

Yes, but will all of the extensions be ADDED to the standard, or will they DonnieBoy | 12/14/05

Who owns the patenrts and copyrights? If M$, then it is M$ proprietary. NT Update victim | 12/13/05

Who do you think owned the ODF proposal? osreinstall | 12/13/05

Sun is giving a non-revocable guarantee that it will never DonnieBoy | 12/13/05

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. osreinstall | 12/13/05

Yes, you so eloquently describe what MS has done. And, we need to watch Sun DonnieBoy | 12/13/05

They why nomorems | 12/13/05

I can't speak for Ax but I never said that. osreinstall | 12/13/05

osreinstall is a moron. talisman | 12/14/05

I think talisman doesn't think at all. osreinstall | 12/14/05

MS is a monopoly because they are smarter. osreinstall | 12/13/05

Sorry, but Microsoft is NOT a standard for anything but itself... wildranger | 12/14/05

It is about the license! TomM_z | 12/13/05

Umm.. hawkeyeaz1 | 12/13/05

Message has been deleted. hawkeyeaz1 | 12/13/05

XML nomorems | 12/13/05

EXACTLY RIGHT ON, my friend! wildranger | 12/14/05

Rubber stamp. Robert Crocker | 12/13/05

Yeah but in the end Michael Kelly | 12/13/05

Meaningless to me. I've never had a problem. No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

We also want to open them from OpenOffice, KOffice, etc, no formatting DonnieBoy | 12/13/05

No problem, all you need do is follow the rules No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

Not so fast, we also need a guarantee that MS will not add proprietary, un- DonnieBoy | 12/13/05

As long as the GPL is NOT involved No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

The MS proposal even fails with BSD and MIT licenses DonnieBoy | 12/13/05

Why the almost rabid hatred for software developers? B.O.F.H. | 12/13/05

Any code covered by the GPL is useless for any for profit. No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

Red Hat is doing just fine selling support and service for GPLed software. DonnieBoy | 12/14/05

The GPL stops people stealing code and then selling it as their own Zogg | 12/15/05

As long as the GPL is NOT involved No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

Re: We also want to open them from OpenOffice, KOffice, etc, no formatting richdave | 12/13/05

Yep, with a real standard like ODF, that is all possible. DonnieBoy | 12/13/05

Pathological Roger Ramjet | 12/13/05

Yes, I like using the BEST Office suite out there. No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

Not sure yet Roger Ramjet | 12/13/05

Framemaker? No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

I know I do nomorems | 12/13/05

I am using the Best Open Office TomM_z | 12/13/05

That's OK for 10 years, but what about 25? 50? 100? mikepinter@... | 12/13/05

What's to worry abpout? No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

All you've done is replace on problem with another. mikepinter@... | 12/14/05

Message has been deleted. mikepinter@... | 12/13/05

Never had a problem in 10 years? How about 25? 50? 100? mikepinter@... | 12/13/05

Narrow thinking Michael Kelly | 12/13/05

Office document formats are NOT rocket science. They just need to be fully DonnieBoy | 12/13/05

Block it graphx | 12/13/05

Just a wild guess Yagotta B. Kidding | 12/13/05

Where are the editors? Robert Crocker | 12/13/05

"How did THIS get through:" JustAMuggle | 12/13/05

Um, because it's false... John Le'Brecage | 12/13/05

A few corrections java.user | 12/13/05

Kwrite and Abiword... John Le'Brecage | 12/13/05

A few further corrections java.user | 12/13/05

Let's examine this further... John Le'Brecage | 12/13/05

Let's examine this further (links corrected, I hope) John Le'Brecage | 12/13/05

re: Yet more corrections for Msr. Le'Brecage java.user | 12/14/05

I'd much prefer to be fishing. John Le'Brecage | 12/14/05

Something is definitely fishy =P java.user | 12/14/05

A probable parting request... and probable final answer John Le'Brecage | 12/14/05

Italic corrected version of previous. John Le'Brecage | 12/14/05

re: Msr Le'Brecage java.user | 12/15/05

Your equivocation is transparent java.user John Le'Brecage | 12/15/05

Again, corrected for italics. John Le'Brecage | 12/15/05

Yet more for Msr. Le'Brecage java.user | 12/15/05

Oh! One more thing Msr. Le'Brecage java.user | 12/15/05

You guys are so funny!; Issue solved. Cayble | 12/16/05

If this fails MS will bundle tero_t_vaananen@... | 12/13/05

Never going to happen... No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

Bundle... go for it.. they are loosing the battle graphx | 12/13/05

Office bundled with Windows? alan.m@... | 12/19/05

well what the hell ibm wait for toxicfreak | 12/13/05

re: remember OS/2 JustAMuggle | 12/13/05

if its not ibm thenn toxicfreak | 12/13/05

I do. It was and still is a great operating system. Update victim | 12/13/05

Message has been deleted. DarrellM | 12/13/05

Not a new TLA DarrellM | 12/13/05

IBM didn't invent the pc. Anton Philidor | 12/13/05

Office outputs. Anton Philidor | 12/13/05

Sorry, Anton, but Office is better engineered than that! John Le'Brecage | 12/13/05

Making assumptions about product design. Anton Philidor | 12/13/05

This might be too harsh. John Le'Brecage | 12/13/05

This might be too harsh. (and of course i missed a closure, sorry) John Le'Brecage | 12/13/05

This might be too harsh. (one more time! Augh!) John Le'Brecage | 12/13/05

Different words, same meaning. Anton Philidor | 12/14/05

Never... John Le'Brecage | 12/14/05

Competence Yagotta B. Kidding | 12/14/05

Rep and I are in heaven... Mike Cox | 12/13/05

Good one Darkgeek | 12/13/05

Message has been deleted. Darkgeek | 12/13/05

Spinning Tires in Neutral duclod | 12/13/05

Message has been deleted. Mike Cox | 12/13/05

Rep and I are in heaven... Mike Cox | 12/13/05

Re: Rep and I are in heaven... BXLE | 12/13/05

Heaven - Ironic use of words Geotopia | 12/13/05

Check your facts techboy_z | 12/13/05

More accurate history than most, though... Anton Philidor | 12/13/05

History and Need mighetto | 12/13/05

2.5 java.user | 12/13/05

Message has been deleted. Confused by religion | 12/13/05

Hear, Hear! Roger Ramjet | 12/13/05

Hey Milly nomorems | 12/13/05

I already use a Mac and Linux Confused by religion | 12/13/05

Why would they want to? Michael Kelly | 12/13/05

Where technology meets business. wink

No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

Yeah, but every add works! No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/05

mitigating your risk... John Le'Brecage | 12/13/05

Clarifying... John Le'Brecage | 12/13/05

Ha ha ha! jolumoar | 12/13/05

Message has been deleted. jolumoar | 12/13/05

ECMA Roger Huffadine | 12/13/05

A self-inflicted injury code_flogger | 12/13/05

Divorce, rubber stamp, naked request, sexy words for MS exploits educateme@... | 12/13/05

Any standard is a good standard eheimer | 12/13/05

Hold on. All must be able to read and write. We need a guarantee that MS DonnieBoy | 12/13/05

Spinning Tires in Neutral is not Possible duclod | 12/13/05

Standards? ggallman_z | 12/13/05

When WordPerfect has a version for Linux, and it reads and writes ODF, DonnieBoy | 12/13/05

Microsoft Office Open XML is *not* in wide use jdeisenberg | 12/13/05

Substance or marketing? George Mitchell | 12/13/05

It's difficult to divorce the file format from the product DarrellM | 12/13/05

Wake up! Please!! bportlock | 12/13/05

He's right techboy_z | 12/14/05

Who he? Mr Clueless? Fred Fredrickson | 12/14/05

Spyware Leila_z | 12/13/05

Spyware software dimwit44890@... | 12/14/05

Corporate Hegemony jimc52@... | 12/14/05

microsoft can only get better jesus_of_suburbia344 | 12/14/05

microsoft can only get better part 2 jesus_of_suburbia344 | 12/14/05

Any and all software and operating systems dimwit44890@... | 12/14/05

Free from legal enumberances? NOT FOR LONG eriklikeszdnet | 12/18/05

My apologies for multiple posts eriklikeszdnet | 12/18/05

Free of legal encumberances? NOT FOR LONG! eriklikeszdnet | 12/18/05

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