Howard Dean's 'smart' ID plan

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Confusion: Actually, I'm not confused at all. I'm merely pointing out that _any_ group that's willing to cram its philosophies down everyone else's throats is dangerous.

Liberals _do_ limit freedoms, very directly, when they undertake to punish people who violate campus "speech codes." They also limit freedoms, less directly, by demanding that one segment of society subsidise another through socialised health care schemes, various welfare programs, etc. Every dollar taxed away from individuals to support such things is a loss of the freedom of individuals to decide how to spend that dollar.

This isn't to ignore the willingness of the likes of Johns Ashcroft and Poindexter to, in the name of protecting our freedoms, deny us our freedoms.

I don't care what the label is -- Nazi, Fascist, Communist, whatever -- what they all have in common is a desire to _make_ people do things their way, and a willingness to use political, economic, or physical force to ensure people do things their way.

The danger is in the willingness to use the power and resources of government to impose a philiosophy, regardless of the nature of the philosophy, on the citizens. If you want to be a Liberal, or a fascist, or whatever pleases you, go right ahead. It's your business, not mine. But when you start demanding that _I_ be a Liberal, or fascist, or whatever too, or try to compel me to support or pay for _your_ ideas, you've gone too far.

Actually, I do have a very good idea of what I'm talking about.; Posted by: Chris Moller Posted on: 01/26/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Whoa, bad idea el1jones | 01/26/04

One way or another, not both doctormoriarty | 01/26/04

Clueless! DarbyOhara | 01/26/04

hunting down non-ID card people pschroeder@... | 01/26/04

hmm JWatson77 | 01/26/04

What About Anonymous Political Speech Repeal | 01/26/04

Great points Repeal. Tim Patterson | 01/26/04

That's NOT proteced & never was j.m.galvin | 01/26/04

Some people will never understand. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

Thanks Declan... Tim Patterson | 01/26/04

Even Worse j.m.galvin | 01/26/04

The automated Gestapo Chris Moller | 01/26/04

Acually j.m.galvin | 01/26/04

Statism Chris Moller | 01/26/04

wow biophile6 | 01/26/04

Confusion Chris Moller | 01/26/04

Hmm, so speed limits are bad? No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

Yep, speed limits are bad. Chris Moller | 01/26/04

Good Post Chris SloooeShflu | 01/26/04

Fortunately for us, it will never happen. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

Ignores data VW_Feature | 01/26/04

the problem with speed limits wizard_of_oz | 01/28/04

To paraphrase Forrest Gump. . .. salgak@... | 01/26/04

Vee Haff Your Number . . . gafisher@... | 01/26/04

Smartcards are a dumb idea. Tammee | 01/26/04

And you suggest what? No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

Well, what do YOU suggest?? SloooeShflu | 01/26/04

Here's one, stop ranting and start thinking. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

I sugest ... Tammee | 01/26/04

"smart" technology... Chris Moller | 01/26/04

Your suggestion then is do nothing??? No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

You got it, Ax -- do nothing. Chris Moller | 01/26/04

Ok, you do nothing, others will do "something". No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

doing nothing Chris Moller | 01/26/04

'smart ID' plan nite_w0lf | 01/26/04

Political types no better than you and me. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

Must have hit a nerve!!! No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

Nerves Chris Moller | 01/26/04

Chris, that was the point. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

Apologies Chris Moller | 01/26/04

Biodata is OK for this biophile6 | 01/26/04

Joe Trippi worked for Wave dham340 | 01/26/04

oh right biophile6 | 01/26/04

Gee, what a surprise. . . . salgak@... | 01/26/04

So then, what do you suggest as a solution? No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

I Don't. I also don't see the problem this solves. . . . salgak@... | 01/26/04

Free has many meanings. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

Ah, yes. The Terrorist Argument. . . salgak@... | 01/26/04

It's not an argument, its a fact. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

I'm not sniping. . . salgak@... | 01/26/04

Okay, here's a suggestion... Chris Moller | 01/26/04

Obviously you didn't lose anyone in 9/11 No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

Actually, I did. . . . salgak@... | 01/26/04

9/11 Chris Moller | 01/26/04

Suggestions... noShut_z | 01/26/04

I agree, it needs to be discussed by all. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

I dont think you would like the answer Ax nite_w0lf | 01/26/04

Vocal civil libertarian, Alan Dershowitz supports Jose Jimenez | 01/26/04

ID card idea quantumvista | 01/26/04

yeah, right rpmyers1 | 01/28/04

Disjointed subsets Robert Crocker | 01/26/04

I agree with you. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

Not sure there IS a right way Robert Crocker | 01/26/04

Try this one. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/04

Interesting but flawed view! B.O.F.H. | 01/26/04

Hrmmmm Robert Crocker | 01/27/04

I think this got SPUN a bit skullaria | 01/26/04

Proof? acetroubleshooter | 02/04/04

bad good nograin | 01/26/04

Combine Dean with MSFT's "Palladium" andrewp111 | 01/26/04

Typical biased media attack What objectivity? VW_Feature | 01/26/04

Touching post Chris Moller | 01/27/04

Let's not forget states rights. IHaveSomethingToSay | 01/27/04

Don't beleive it independent confirmation needed cpratt@... | 01/27/04

An excellent piece of hack work rakdaddy | 01/27/04

Where's the Proof? Traditional Smear Tactic. paultopia | 01/27/04

found the transcript! paultopia | 01/27/04

This is plain distortion! Dean supports privacy. zestyping | 01/27/04

Here's the Source; This author should read it too earthwrk@... | 01/28/04

Unfair to Dean, again. Cyberoid | 01/29/04

Opt in and useful eidola | 01/30/04

'Smart ID' a Smart Idea drewnri | 01/30/04

Privacy is an illusion illusion_z | 01/31/04

under this plan, Linux would be made illegal wvoutlaw2002 | 07/05/05

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