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... to China, and India
"In this country, they've recognized the essential value of IP, and are fully capable of defending it, even encouraging it in foreign lands."

Your manufacturing jobs are being exported to China, your software jobs to India, your capital to Bermuda, and you can keep your Walmart self stacking jobs.

If a US Company holds a lock on its markets via patents, then they don't need to compete so hard and can go for the cheapest manufacturer/designer in the world.

"On the other hand, make the process complex enough, and the small companies will suffer."

Yet the small companies opposed it.
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Great News!  Tim Patterson | 07/06/05
Never over...  figgle | 07/06/05
figgle I agree with you on the "arrogance doesn't count" over there  sergiovf@... | 07/07/05
Man, this is great. And almost unanimous.  DonnieBoy | 07/06/05
This is the beginning of a new era  Can you hear me | 07/06/05
This good  voska | 07/06/05
Whew that was a close one.  Kamikaze_Ohka | 07/06/05
The value of freedom and democracy.  Vily Clay | 07/06/05
Uh...  James T. Kirk | 07/06/05
Watched way too many episodes of Star Trek  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
Bush hits Iraq for no reason ? Iraq hits back. Star Trek? (NT)  Vily Clay | 07/06/05
I hear you are going on the second run!  osreinstall | 07/06/05
osreinstall, you as always came to say nothing. (NT)  Vily Clay | 07/06/05
Back off man  tic swayback | 07/06/05
Who runs IBM?  Boot_Agnostic | 07/06/05
Want to go deeper?  Vily Clay | 07/06/05
Don't take that too far.  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Should people leave in illusion because it?s easier (like in ?Matrix?)? NT  Vily Clay | 07/06/05
Greetings earthling, we are here to...  Colonel_Panic | 07/06/05
Don?t worry Panic ?I know that you have to say nothing. Anything else? (NT)  Vily Clay | 07/07/05
good thought  G Fedorchuk | 07/10/05
If blind men do not see colors - it doesn?t mean they do not exist. (NT)  Vily Clay | 07/10/05
Now fix the EU patent office  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
Hey bitty and Anton!  Linux User 147560 | 07/06/05
European companies relocating...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Why move?  tic swayback | 07/06/05
Companies don't like being vulnerable...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Is that a huge concern?  tic swayback | 07/06/05
Remember that patents cover ideas...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
That's why you'd move to Europe  tic swayback | 07/06/05
Patently Incorrect?  NonCartoonist | 07/07/05
And *THAT*, Mr. Philidor is precisely the problem...  SysAn63 | 07/07/05
Hiding?  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
... to China, and India  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
Do not confuse IP rights with patentability...  The King's Servant | 07/07/05
It's a sad day.  Judas I. | 07/06/05
What has changed?  cashaww | 07/06/05
So called "bottom line"  FirstNLastN | 07/06/05
Yeah, yer right.  Judas I. | 07/06/05
That's right! He, he...  FirstNLastN | 07/06/05
I think the words Freedom and Liberty and being used  Laff | 07/06/05
It's called "growing up"  Spoon Jabber | 07/06/05
Not growing up  voska | 07/06/05
Uh ... Spooner?  Judas I. | 07/06/05
Hey, Spoon, I just thought of sumthin' else:  Judas I. | 07/07/05
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Only Republicants were scared, Spooner.  Judas I. | 07/08/05
Sorry, not my intention  Spoon Jabber | 07/08/05
Ah they are both guilty mate!  osreinstall | 07/08/05
Spooner and osreinstall ...  Judas I. | 07/08/05
I was chumming for the usuals  osreinstall | 07/08/05
Osreinstall, some of the decoder ring stuff ...  Judas I. | 07/08/05
Butterball, your cracking on me.  osreinstall | 07/08/05
How about  lengua99 | 07/09/05
This is a Republic  lengua99 | 07/09/05
No Spoon my old friend I don't think so....  Laff | 07/07/05
But, you and I aren't scared, right?  Spoon Jabber | 07/08/05
Heh heh heh...I'm not going to get into the whole  Laff | 07/11/05
Matter of trust  John L. Ries | 07/07/05
You 're welcome.  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
The grass is always greener.....?  Spoon Jabber | 07/06/05
Typical American answer...  JPFJPF | 07/08/05
Not true!  Spoon Jabber | 07/08/05
Come back to the reality.  Vily Clay | 07/08/05
Thanks for the wake up call!  Spoon Jabber | 07/08/05
I you care about ? just watch the movie (Alex Jones); if not ? watch Bush.  Vily Clay | 07/08/05
You complain about the USA  lengua99 | 07/09/05
There ARE smart people on this planet!  BitTwiddler | 07/06/05
There are some very smart people in power in the US too  kas_z | 07/07/05
All men are selfish  pa2004 | 07/06/05
Well that just makes sense  voska | 07/06/05
Attacking US corporations only damages European businesses...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Capitalism versus State Sponsored Monopolies  tic swayback | 07/06/05
Money made by licensing ideas...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Sounds like Socialism to me  tic swayback | 07/06/05
Supply and DEMAND!  becksdark | 07/07/05
Don't confuse capitalism  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
More double-speak definitions on what Capitalism is from those 2!  osreinstall | 07/06/05
OS, I think you're confused  tic swayback | 07/06/05
I was replying to you in an accusation.  osreinstall | 07/06/05
I have to disagree  tic swayback | 07/07/05
Thinking about it more....  tic swayback | 07/07/05
Not true Tic  osreinstall | 07/07/05
What is property?  John L. Ries | 07/07/05
Not only exaggeration but also desperation!  osreinstall | 07/07/05
Copyright and Patent reform  tic swayback | 07/07/05
To what should one have legal title?  John L. Ries | 07/07/05
Tic you have to do your homework  osreinstall | 07/07/05
This is not hard John  osreinstall | 07/07/05
Simply not possible  tic swayback | 07/07/05
Still allergic to effort?  osreinstall | 07/07/05
You ask the impossible, or at least the improbable  tic swayback | 07/07/05
Tic if it was fair to you, it would be unfair to everyone else.  osreinstall | 07/07/05
I'll gladly pay if I can find the author  tic swayback | 07/07/05
Just keep looking  osreinstall | 07/07/05
Give it up tic  Dave F_z | 07/07/05
Dave you always give credit where due.  osreinstall | 07/07/05
Two things..  Dave F_z | 07/07/05
And I will disagree some more  osreinstall | 07/07/05
OS--have you no concern for the future?  tic swayback | 07/07/05
Assumptions are easy  Dave F_z | 07/07/05
I already suggest changes  osreinstall | 07/07/05
OS your proposal is not good enough  tic swayback | 07/08/05
For Tic  osreinstall | 07/10/05
Dave you are completely wrong  osreinstall | 07/07/05
os - you delude yourself  Dave F_z | 07/07/05
More bull from Dave  osreinstall | 07/08/05
Money made by extortion...  John L. Ries | 07/07/05
Who's attacking?  John L. Ries | 07/07/05
I have a novel idea...  The King's Servant | 07/07/05
The EU's loss, and everyone else's gain  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
No you couldn't..  Patrick Jones | 07/06/05
Good point, prior art even works for US companies that can not afford to  DonnieBoy | 07/06/05
Sorry but no..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
why..  Patrick Jones | 07/06/05
Who said you get to see...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
I can file the legal briefs myself..  Patrick Jones | 07/06/05
Good luck, you'll need a lot of it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
I don't think they passed the first to file legislation yet.  DonnieBoy | 07/06/05
New here, aren't you?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
Losses  Letophoro | 07/06/05
But at the same time...  tic swayback | 07/06/05
There's harmony in enforcing US patents...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Define "harmony"  tic swayback | 07/06/05
Harmony is indeed good  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
Yes, European companies still need to bone up on the dirty tricks that are  DonnieBoy | 07/06/05
So your point is it cost's money to play in the big league?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
why  voska | 07/06/05
Penny Ante  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
No, the point is that only big players are allowed with patents.  DonnieBoy | 07/06/05
Small software companies in the EU will have more difficulty...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
NO matter the outcome  Linux User 147560 | 07/06/05
Don't need them don't want them  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
Of course you can borrow from the US if your country is lacking.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
What borrowing are you talking about?  Letophoro | 07/06/05
No he can't  Linux User 147560 | 07/06/05
They don't lose a thing. They can file for US pantents if they want.  DonnieBoy | 07/06/05
Sure, if you can afford it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
Which is it?  Patrick Jones | 07/06/05
I mean to do it overseas  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
Even with patents..  Patrick Jones | 07/06/05
Defending isn't expensive...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
Oh please..  Patrick Jones | 07/06/05
Patrick your ignorance on the subject is showing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
I have never given birth..  Patrick Jones | 07/06/05
Nope!  osreinstall | 07/06/05
Where was the patent allegedly infringed?  The King's Servant | 07/07/05
This is civil law, different rules  osreinstall | 07/07/05
No Jamaican living in Jamaica...  The King's Servant | 07/07/05
You are a wishful thinker  osreinstall | 07/07/05
So now you advocate IP infringement?  B.O.F.H. | 07/06/05
Not that easy.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
If prior art is shown, you lose!  B.O.F.H. | 07/06/05
BOFH, off on your tirade again? Sad, sad, sad...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
If you don't understand Intellectual Propert Law, why do yo ukeep posting?  B.O.F.H. | 07/06/05
Dude  Linux User 147560 | 07/06/05
Dude??? Is that your brother or something?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
You can't stop us selling to you  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
Gee, I suggest you read the WTO.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
AllofMp3  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
Sure there are crooks waiting to be caught...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
70% of disputed US patents are overturned  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
And how long does it take and cost?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
Expensive?  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
As you keep pointing out, Don  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
TRIPPS  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
Got it backwards, Don  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
As I said, If you need the US because your country can't  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
Don't need the USA at all  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
You really are confused today. I quote you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
Try again, Don  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
A perfect example of whats wrong with IP law ...  George Mitchell | 07/06/05
You are not thinking this through.  jjon2121 | 07/06/05
Nope  dax_z | 07/06/05
more the advocates loss ...  werner2k_z | 07/08/05
Message has been deleted.  low-life | 07/06/05
Come on ZDNet - can't swallow the truth ???  low-life | 07/06/05
What did you post  Linux User 147560 | 07/06/05
I was lambasting the USPTO...  low-life | 07/06/05
Not what you said, but how you said it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
Childish need to curse ???  low-life | 07/06/05
Community censorship  S.Howard-Sarin ZDNet Moderator | 07/06/05
Re: Community censorship  low-life | 07/06/05
Its quite simple  Roger Ramjet | 07/06/05
Victory for big corporations?  JusPassinThrough | 07/06/05
Nah we won  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
Disadvantage.  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
One company versus many  tic swayback | 07/06/05
Companies want to be the "first mover"...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Sure, why not  tic swayback | 07/06/05
I think we're agreeing.  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Sort of  tic swayback | 07/06/05
In other words,  Dave F_z | 07/06/05
What are patents worth?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
Money.  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Hah thats just confused  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
Even if you were right...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Not true  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
What's in it for Poland?  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Compare to the USA  tic swayback | 07/06/05
Whats in it for poland  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
Islands  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
The EU does patent software...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Not according to their Parliament  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
Article 52 EU Patent Directive  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
Geez, guys get a clue.  markdoc.geo | 07/07/05
Good choice.  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Free trade and competition  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
The US has some significance in international trade.  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Magic beans  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
"Every country does what it does best"  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Consequences  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
Yet your own companies call for patent reform  Nigel Johnstone | 07/06/05
Did you come here to say you have nothing to say? (NT)  Vily Clay | 07/06/05
This question is for osreinstall, No_Ax_to_Grind and the like. (NT)  Vily Clay | 07/06/05
Did Nurse Ratchet come around with the med cart today?  osreinstall | 07/06/05
Oh I see - now you write because she didn?t come for you today. (NT)  Vily Clay | 07/06/05
IGNORE THE NBMs.  systemcleaner | 07/07/05
It's about time someone respects a Rothchild!  osreinstall | 07/07/05
Straight Outta Compton  tic swayback | 07/07/05
Force created imbalance cause Force to restore balance. The cost is ?? (NT)  Vily Clay | 07/07/05
Um, who is king of NT posts.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/06/05
NWOR  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
NWOR?  In_the_end_I_Win | 07/06/05
Not Worthy Of Reply  tic swayback | 07/06/05
I think he  Linux User 147560 | 07/06/05
Message has been deleted.  Linux User 147560 | 07/06/05
Relax Bitty, everybody knows - it?s true that you have NTS. (NT)  Vily Clay | 07/06/05
"The future of the directive is unclear"  John L. Ries | 07/06/05
Dawn of the dead  tic swayback | 07/06/05
They already have patents...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Hence the "eternal vigilance"  tic swayback | 07/06/05
Sure.  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Why do only the "big" companies have a voice?  tic swayback | 07/06/05
Gee tic (sarcastic reply inside...)  Linux User 147560 | 07/06/05
Ahm, LU, maybe poor countries...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
But you have to build those industries before you can export  tic swayback | 07/06/05
Trading hats  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
I hear you...  John L. Ries | 07/06/05
In-party revolt  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
"Successful Businesses"  John L. Ries | 07/06/05
"The point of legislation..."  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
I didn't say that all legislation was wise  John L. Ries | 07/06/05
Pointless legislation?  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
I would say no...  Patrick Jones | 07/07/05
Clearly we disagree  John L. Ries | 07/07/05
Profits and jobs  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
C'mon; profits from prior inventions...  Anton Philidor | 07/06/05
Often enough?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
Black Knight  barsteward | 07/06/05
Take *that* Windroids!  Colonel_Panic | 07/06/05
We want it too  IT-sys | 07/06/05
Eat crow IBMers  Boot_Agnostic | 07/06/05
*BUZZZ*  hal9000mx | 07/06/05
Wrong button  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/06/05
ZDNet misled us again. There are patents!!!  osreinstall | 07/06/05
Maybe  Richard Flude | 07/06/05
Agree on some  osreinstall | 07/07/05
There are patents!  jezter~ | 07/15/05
There really are!  osreinstall | 07/15/05
Software is not an issue for patents, hardware is!  iTjds | 07/07/05
Not property rights versus socialism  dimonic | 07/07/05
To be fair.....  hoate2001@... | 07/07/05
AN IMPORTANT BALANCING ACT  jpm007 | 07/07/05
The Zen of Patents  CircularLogician | 07/08/05
Re Software Patents  jack@... | 07/07/05
Software is not patent-worthy  pklammer | 07/07/05
This will reduce competition.  stan@... | 07/07/05
Yipee, no software patents!  scotasys | 07/08/05

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