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so your brain can absorb details that you're apparently oblivious to.

"It's raw sensor data, not some processed representation of that data. Even your much-vaunted TIFF format is the result of a process applied to the raw data."

Wrong - completely and utterly wrong. TIFF data can accommodate any type of image data that the TIFF creater cares to include. It can easily store the "RAW" sensor data of the charge measured in each pixel and in fact it does. It can also store all of the ancilliary data such as exposure control and gain-color maps. It depends entirely upon the algorithms and choice of data stored and all of the "features: you seem to feel that "RAW" formats include are certainly an available option. If you don't believe so, then, by all means, tell me what data is lost simply by storing it in a TIFF file at full resolution at 24 bits per plane and a CIE coordinate of each plane's color? All of which, BTW, is not captured by your much vaunted "high quality cameras." These, as all CCDs must, include in their Read Out ICs (ROICs) one or two point gain correction and missing pixel (white/hot or black/cold) interpolation. Yes, even your "RAW" data is processed.

"How many professional photographers just shoot weddings and the like? Probably more than get into the printed media."

And these folks present their work how? If it's a display, monitor, CD or DVD, then who cares about "RAW" data? If they print it in any way, then the "Print" industry is involved - get it?
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Except it was in ....  ShadeTree | 06/02/05
so?  ryusen | 06/01/05
You and I both know...  IT Scion | 06/01/05
LOL.. maybe under VMWare somewhere... wink  Xunil_Sierutuf | 06/01/05
And, of course...  Real World | 06/02/05
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Then you're argument is with the camera manufactures.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/05
Longhorn Photo Support  qidls@... | 06/01/05
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why?  ryusen | 06/01/05
Actually, the do.  jheine | 06/01/05
thanks for the info  ryusen | 06/01/05
There is a reason not to include it..  Patrick Jones | 06/01/05
that's a good point but...  ryusen | 06/01/05
All you "Pro" shooters out there...  jacarter3 | 06/01/05
Now there's irony for ya  gath | 06/01/05
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:-]  MepisLINUXuser | 06/01/05
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Think before you post  cobalt54 | 06/01/05
Actually, he is right  jacarter3 | 06/01/05
Raw data  Letophoro | 06/01/05
Think again, and take it slow...  jacarter3 | 06/02/05
Interesting..  Patrick Jones | 06/02/05
TIFF  Letophoro | 06/02/05
Wrong again, Bucko  jacarter3 | 06/02/05
Re: Just_Ax  Letophoro | 06/02/05
64 bit data...  jacarter3 | 06/02/05
Re: 64 bits  Letophoro | 06/03/05
what you are missing...  ryusen | 06/02/05
Raw image preferred by pros - not true. Yes true!  aikodude | 06/01/05
Agree...Of course RAW is the preferred  Prognosticator | 06/01/05
Photographers - not editors  Letophoro | 06/01/05
HUH? Photographers, not publishers.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/05
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were you  eLurker | 06/01/05
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i would be one of the last  eLurker | 06/01/05
May I suggest you consult a dictionary.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/05
No, you flatter me. Imitation and all that...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/05
You know what they say  Squawkbox | 06/01/05
You know it, I know it, but this poster???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/05
Not that SPF  Squawkbox | 06/01/05
Problem is it's MS  nomorems | 06/01/05
How wrong can you be???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/05
Pulling a Sony here...  ryusen | 06/01/05
Heard that argument too many times.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/05
Where do you get your history from?  An_Axe_to_Grind | 06/01/05
heard it before except...  ryusen | 06/01/05
Three words, ease of use.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/05
two words: not really  ryusen | 06/01/05
Yes really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/05
i would sound like everyone you are talking about, but...  ryusen | 06/02/05
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I agree..  Patrick Jones | 06/01/05
Usual tactics  michael_t | 06/01/05
Can yiu explain something, I am serious...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/05
Is this what's holding longhorn up?  michael_t | 06/01/05
Yikes.  Jack-Booted EULA | 06/01/05
most cameras don't output in RAW  ryusen | 06/01/05
I was being a bit sarcastic.  Jack-Booted EULA | 06/01/05
i wasn't sure...  ryusen | 06/02/05
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