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Huh?
Can't have it both ways.

First you say they've stifled the competition:

They have managed to stifle other technologies and slow or freeze markets until control can be swung their way.

Then you say the competition innovates better than Microsoft does:

Innovate? No. Name something they provide that someone else can't provide cheaper.


You may have intended the idea that Microsoft controls the market(s) so thoroughly that the innovations of other companies might as well not exist.
But what you've actually written is contradictory.
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Yes, Not quite  MacCanuck | 10/27/05
I did not forget  mdemuth | 10/27/05
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I know you're not that stupid.  Sxooter_z | 10/27/05
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Look no further than your nearest VC  George Jay | 10/27/05
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counter productive  IceTheNet@... | 10/27/05
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sources  glocks out | 10/27/05
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wrong  NemesisNL | 10/27/05
there will be an implosion!  Linux Geek | 10/27/05
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Yeah Right!  Krazyken39 | 10/27/05
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Exacty right  Seenidog | 10/27/05
Car Analogy  ragnars | 10/27/05
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Note  Qbt | 10/27/05
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Patching is good!  MacGeek2121 | 10/27/05
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Never!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Let us pray .....  An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/27/05
From the Church of the holy Cabbage..  Seenidog | 10/27/05
From the church of the holy No_axe_ to _grind..  Seenidog | 10/27/05
I bet in your little world that passes for funny.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Well, yes  Seenidog | 10/27/05
Ask itanylist if you can borrow...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
To understand MS, you must understand their market.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Did You Post This????  itanalyst | 10/27/05
If you pay attention I do hold MS's feet to the fire when appropiate.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
... it's just never been appropriate...  An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Aw, did I ruin your itty bitty day?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Guess you missed the VS.NET article then  eb276 | 10/28/05
Microsoft is not the only company producing software.  Anton Philidor | 10/27/05
And how are they fairing?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
If you're making money...  Anton Philidor | 10/27/05
I am not saying attack MS on the strong front..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Read your post on home users...  Anton Philidor | 10/27/05
Isn't this always the way it's been?  Mark Miller | 10/29/05
Yes  Seenidog | 10/27/05
The home market is Microsoft's preserve.  Anton Philidor | 10/27/05
You make my point for me I believe.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Best post by No_Ax_to_Grind....  Sir_Chancealot | 10/27/05
Microsoft will get another wakeup call.  Wytil | 10/27/05
Sucess can be measured a lot of ways.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Think they're selling only one version...  Anton Philidor | 10/27/05
Yes and no...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Comparing notes on the elephant.  Anton Philidor | 10/27/05
Actually no..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
You couldn't be any more wrong!  ShadeTree | 10/27/05
Bzzzzt sorry....  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
You mean a Microsoft push...  Anton Philidor | 10/27/05
Still wrong!  ShadeTree | 10/27/05
Werll my friend, I just spent a week in Redmond wtih upper management.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Question...  Patrick Jones | 10/27/05
Lots of stuff...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
You are so full of yourself!  ShadeTree | 10/27/05
Also, for a small business moving to the ...  ShadeTree | 10/27/05
Shady, I didn't say their time was exclusive.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Wron, wrong and still wrong  ShadeTree | 10/27/05
Actually Annie flew in for the meeting..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
You are SO right on...  F-16 Vet | 10/27/05
I agree, partially  Patrick Jones | 10/27/05
Bewcause that is what you have been trained to see...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Not really  Patrick Jones | 10/27/05
Ok, a couple of examples then...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Thanks..  Patrick Jones | 10/27/05
But I am just one guy...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
The only one of those that isn't already available..  Patrick Jones | 10/27/05
You miss my point completely.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
I didn't miss your point..  Patrick Jones | 10/27/05
Today at Staples...  Anton Philidor | 10/27/05
"Run DOS applications and supporting 300 baud serial ports?"  Nobody_really | 10/27/05
Was there a question? Bill Gates put on a demo  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Carroll is Right  Harry Bardal | 10/27/05
Carroll is right if you want to be Microsoft.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Excellently said!!!  jim_oflaherty | 10/27/05
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MS doesn't need to produce a new product  Dr_Zinj | 10/27/05
Well said...  ComputerGuyCJ | 10/27/05
Is copying now called innovation  stomfi@... | 10/27/05
Huh?  IT Scion | 10/31/05
Just give up?  Anton Philidor | 10/27/05
I couldn't agree more !  michael_t | 10/27/05
Message has been deleted.  cyber-shoplifter | 10/27/05
Both  An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Sensationalism?  junkwarrior | 10/27/05
Please  IT Scion | 10/27/05
Personally I think 3-5 is good  voska | 10/28/05
Cost is the problem  DarthRidiculous | 10/27/05
Big Bang  TIAMET | 10/27/05
Insults, No _Ax_to_Grind primer..  Seenidog | 10/27/05
oops  Seenidog | 10/27/05
Message has been deleted.  An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/27/05
worry  Seenidog | 10/27/05
Many of the posters here...  dsentman@... | 10/27/05
.... schizophrenic about Microsoft?  An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Every few years...  dsentman@... | 10/27/05
Market advice  code_flogger | 10/27/05
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Ditto  An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/27/05
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More about market forces...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/27/05
Why the wait is good...  nucrash | 10/27/05
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Time Frames & Statistics...  The Rifleman | 10/27/05
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Hear hear.  Twey | 10/28/05
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WHY MICROSOFT KEEPS CREATING A NEW HOORAH!.  fakir005@... | 10/29/05
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