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You are contradicting yourself
You point to what you call software patents that you think are valid while calling one click, which is also patented, a joke.

I don't know about GE xray machines for hospitals, so I won't comment on them, but HP printer drivers are another story. I *might* go along with it if you consider the printer and driver as comprising a single invention, a printer, but I think you are looking at this as patentable software, and that is where you are wrong. I would say that HPs implementation of the printer driver is not patentable by what I would call an invention. The software can be separated from the printer, and software could be written to communicate with the printer without even taking apart the printer, and there are legal ways to legally reverse engineer how the inklevel status makes itself available to be monitored. The software is just an implementation of a method to communicate with the printer. The only thing that might prevent better implementations of this driver (and that is just what software patents prevent) is the power of HPs legal department. The fact that the software is plug replaceable makes it in my opinion, not patentable by itself.

All you do is pick the software related patents that you say are worth something and call the others a joke. I say they are all a joke unless the device needs it to function, and it can't be physically separated from the device or replaced with other software. The printer driver fails this one. Can you name just one piece of software that stands on its own as a patentable device?
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Wait for the USA to get its house in order  Nigel Johnstone | 06/20/05
Agreed  gordon@... | 06/20/05
Only if you fix my concerns  Nigel Johnstone | 06/20/05
You wouldn't believe the comments of those who think it's okay  HypnoToad | 06/21/05
It's Clear...  Tim Patterson | 06/20/05
You failed to make your case.  gordon@... | 06/20/05
Many Patents Protect Ideas, Not the Expression of Ideas  P. Douglas | 06/20/05
Message has been deleted.  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
Copyright:Expression, Patent:Idea  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
Die Gedanken sind Frei  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
Your point makes sense to me  Alexandrescu_Emil_Cristian@... | 06/20/05
Like I've said, this will boost the job sector...  HypnoToad | 06/21/05
I'm willing to be convinced  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
I'll bet there is one fact that can be backed up  Taz_z | 06/20/05
Asking the right questions  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/20/05
Since Don wqn't play  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
patents help the big guy more  netnerdo@... | 06/21/05
Here's an example !  patentpro | 06/20/05
Thanks for making my point  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
No, not really.  netnerdo@... | 06/21/05
RMS always writes this tripe.  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Original intent  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
Please explain..  Patrick Jones | 06/20/05
Here is a challenge for you then  Taz_z | 06/20/05
Not all software can be patented  osreinstall | 06/20/05
You still haven't answered my question  Taz_z | 06/20/05
okay  toadlife | 06/20/05
Do you mean receiving a file in several parallel chunks and  Taz_z | 06/20/05
And your right  osreinstall | 06/20/05
My point is that bittorrent itself was prior art when it was invented.  Taz_z | 06/20/05
You can patent improvements  osreinstall | 06/20/05
no, I didn't mean that at all  toadlife | 06/20/05
Then you kind of agree with me  Taz_z | 06/21/05
Then you do agree  osreinstall | 06/20/05
You are contradicting yourself  Taz_z | 06/20/05
All computers need software  osreinstall | 06/20/05
No, I don't say they are a joke  Taz_z | 06/20/05
It is very easy  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Where I disagree  voska | 06/20/05
You can disagree all you want  osreinstall | 06/20/05
That's your point of view  voska | 06/20/05
It agrees with most of the law.  osreinstall | 06/20/05
No anti ownership  voska | 06/20/05
That rant was confusing  osreinstall | 06/20/05
now doesnt that sound familiar...  Dave F_z | 06/20/05
It is irrelevant  osreinstall | 06/20/05
sonny , sonny, sonny...  Dave F_z | 06/20/05
David Flubbed  osreinstall | 06/20/05
by your own petard then...  Dave F_z | 06/20/05
Dave you have fragmented logic  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Typo older keyboard  osreinstall | 06/20/05
alllllrighty then...  Dave F_z | 06/21/05
You can idealize all you want  osreinstall | 06/21/05
Ungrounded FUD  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
What I was telling you  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Please read carefully  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
His logic is a stretch  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Um..  Patrick Jones | 06/20/05
Straw men again  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/21/05
Your logic is as bad Kiddo  osreinstall | 06/21/05
While those drivers may be patented..  Patrick Jones | 06/20/05
Why not?  osreinstall | 06/20/05
That was just a metaphor, my man!  Alexandrescu_Emil_Cristian@... | 06/20/05
That was illogical, my Man!  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Ummm, not from my experience  voska | 06/20/05
Pays your money  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
You Wrong as usual  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Happens all the time  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
Do you know why?  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Apearantly you haven't realy thought this through  NemesisNL | 06/21/05
More thorough than you can imagine  osreinstall | 06/21/05
but....  NemesisNL | 06/23/05
People have been sued under copyright...  Anton Philidor | 06/20/05
Metaphor  Anti_Zealot | 06/22/05
The patent/copyright test... and MLM's.  netnerdo@... | 06/23/05
Well, that is certainly the minority view.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
of whom?  eLurker | 06/20/05
Bruce is just crying he can't "borrow"  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
i would  eLurker | 06/21/05
Would you care to back that up ...  Taz_z | 06/20/05
Cleaning up  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
Another valid answer that I forgot. (nt)  Taz_z | 06/20/05
When in Rome...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
And that makes it right?  NemesisNL | 06/21/05
Referring to?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
The reply was to Bruce, not another poster.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
Who is Bruce that you are replying?  Patrick Jones | 06/20/05
Does it matter?  CobraA1 | 06/20/05
Oh I agree, talk all he wants...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
How small is that minority?  bill@... | 06/22/05
I agree with Stallman...  gordon@... | 06/20/05
Good points but...  voska | 06/20/05
Bit twiddling  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
(nt)Holy crap, what a bad analogy  toadlife | 06/20/05
There are patents and patents  Alexandrescu_Emil_Cristian@... | 06/20/05
huh-huh  doodlius | 06/20/05
patent enforcement  pesky_z | 06/20/05
I see your mistake.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
hmmm  CobraA1 | 06/20/05
Sorry but wrong again...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
Reality?  CobraA1 | 06/22/05
and i, yours  eLurker | 06/21/05
A few things wrong  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Stallman is just restating Marxism  Steven Rogers | 06/21/05
Excellent post! (NT)  rapson | 06/21/05
If so  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/21/05
Marxism is not the answer we're looking for here....  LilBambi_z | 06/21/05
You have convinced me  enduser_z | 06/21/05
excellent post! (nt)  eLurker | 06/21/05
Re: Stallman is just restating Marxism  none none | 06/21/05
Your analogy needs work.  netnerdo@... | 06/22/05
...more of the same...  Art Royce | 06/21/05
and to take it one step further....  LilBambi_z | 06/21/05
patents and the IRS  shalom4us@... | 06/21/05
It is very easy says osreinstall  netnerdo@... | 06/22/05
Never said it was easy  osreinstall | 06/22/05
The little guy and society suffer  netnerdo@... | 06/22/05
Patents help the creator  osreinstall | 06/22/05
Patents help the creator that was able to get in early.  netnerdo@... | 06/22/05
Look on the bright side  osreinstall | 06/23/05
Unlike software patents, copyrights don't inflict great harm on society.  netnerdo@... | 06/24/05
You are whining!  osreinstall | 06/24/05
I am mulling over some things.  netnerdo@... | 06/25/05
Yes you should read a patent book.  osreinstall | 06/25/05
Have you read the law? Maybe try answering some of the questions I posed?  netnerdo@... | 06/26/05
You didn't ask any questions  osreinstall | 06/26/05
patents vs copywrights  jacjud@... | 06/22/05
Software patentable? What else?  hawkeyeaz1 | 06/22/05
Correction  hawkeyeaz1 | 06/22/05
Oh, very good... I like that very much  bill@... | 06/22/05
Thanks and great effort.  netnerdo@... | 06/23/05
Bad Comparison  osreinstall | 06/23/05
Summing up your post...  netnerdo@... | 06/24/05
I think the law is fair  osreinstall | 06/24/05
What makes free-ride lawyers so special?  netnerdo@... | 06/25/05
Them are the breaks  osreinstall | 06/25/05
RE: Patent absurdity  PatentRy | 08/30/08

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