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Failures of ASP.NET
Great points everyone, and I agree whole-heartily with the last two made. I want to throw this in as well....

ASP.NET is the new way of buiding web apps and has been slowly taking over much of the business world, despite the open-source movements. The advantage that Microsoft's new OOP products have over JAVA and PHP and all the other open source platforms and frameworks is simply that nothing is documented consistently and there are too many people contributing to systems that are not managed or standardized. Microsoft has proven to the business community world-wide that if you build managed systems that are support a wide range of manufacturers and drivers, and with code frameworks that are well-supported and documented and supported, no matter what the cost to business, its well worth it. Sorry guys, you can hate Microsoft but thats a fact....and why open-source PHP has a huge uphill battle. Sorry, the money is in business....not in some wild cat programmer building widgets using a server under their bed. If the business community adopts it, then thats what will pay for it to get better.

But....the interesting fact is, that Microsoft makes mistakes, and have made HORRIBLE mistakes with ASP.NET. The HTML markup is piss-poor and does not support XHTML. Neither does internet explorer, correctly. Mozilla has taken the lead there. In addition, the way ASP.NET deviates from the scripting model, dispite the superior enterprise design possibitilities, means it still has made web design and development HARDER, and more complex to manage. I have a huge list of bugs Ive found in the ASP.NET model, that continues to grow as I use it. This is why I believe PHP will grow and make some stamps in the web field. Im a ".NET supporter" and barely clinging to its model as a web dev tool, only because the business community we support is saturated with it. I also believe that large web dev and app projects benefit from it greatly. But again, the nature of scripting languages says that web development should be lite and easy to do. ASP.NET with all its markup flaws and complexity is hurting itself from competing with PHP, so thats why its adoption is now widening. I would hope that Microsoft wakes up to the inherent power of scripting laguanges again, and figures out how to build back in plain ASP-like features into future web tools.
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Too bad sourceforge  Roger Ramjet | 05/13/05
The wrong message.  ceegh | 05/13/05
Do it "MY" way, or go without.  enduser_z | 05/13/05
Still short sighted.  ceegh | 05/17/05
This assumes that all Web projects start out large  Dan_Walker | 05/14/05
A little Elitist, aren't we?  el1jones | 05/14/05
Brother, you got that one right!!!  coffeenite | 05/16/05
Wow, maybe I can be an accountant too?  agramont@... | 05/13/05
I sympathize with you.  Yen_z | 05/13/05
Maybe, if you want  Dan_Walker | 05/14/05
WROX Press -- Dude, I'm Bummed  coffeenite | 05/16/05
Ummmm...what?  vdraken | 05/13/05
Yes  FirstNLastN | 05/13/05
What a pile of...  FirstNLastN | 05/13/05
wrong, dumb, stupid and MISLEADING  quietLee | 05/13/05
Scripted vs Object-Oriented  wildranger | 05/13/05
It is AOP not OOP wink (nt)  doe_z | 05/13/05
There is a place for everything.  doe_z | 05/13/05
Bingo!  ceegh | 05/17/05
Flexability of languages like PHP, in particular  Dan_Walker | 05/14/05
so you think businesses WANT to hire script kiddies to write apps. to run  wessonjoe | 05/17/05
Failures of ASP.NET  wildranger | 05/14/05
I do not witness any of what you are talking about, I'm afraid  Dan_Walker | 05/15/05
does anyone still use ASP.net?  hipparchus2000 | 05/16/05
PHP hobbyist????  hipparchus2000 | 05/16/05
Some of these posts here ...  coffeenite | 05/16/05
I disagree completely  hipparchus2000 | 05/16/05
Uh ... I'm not so sure about that ...  coffeenite | 05/16/05
output caching, etc  hipparchus2000 | 05/16/05
Sorry, I disagree...  wildranger | 05/16/05
good points but  hipparchus2000 | 05/17/05
....so have millions of businesses world-wide  wildranger | 05/17/05
in other words you have a financial interest in .net  hipparchus2000 | 05/17/05
New Scripting Language for .NET/Mono  ab@... | 05/17/05
I commend the author  ghekko | 06/27/06

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