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Been hearing that too long
Only a proprietory OS will do the job. Its license will be trusted by content folks that make the desktop popular. They do not trust linux to protect their property. Think Apple. They are going to have DRM just as tight as MS.
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Novell: We were wrong again  Loverock Davidson | 09/12/05
novell, you used to be so good?  specialk_z | 09/12/05
But this is not just about Novel vs Linux.  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Let me rephrase  Loverock Davidson | 09/12/05
685 days is not a record  balsover | 09/14/05
Corporations are not sick of increased complexity and new hardware costs???  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Huh? The only reason to upgrade is...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
Really?  Michael Kelly | 09/12/05
Exactly  Tim Patterson | 09/13/05
Oh, security, stability, simplicity, cost, mean NOTHING to corporations????  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Sure it's importtant, but only in balance with other issues.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
Corporations do NOT want to trade security and stability for anything.  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Here we go again  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/12/05
Only if you are right  osreinstall | 09/13/05
Re: Sure it's importtant, but only in balance with other issues  none none | 09/12/05
RE: Sure it's importtant, but only in balance with other issues.  nightshade0143 | 09/13/05
They mean a lot  NonZealot | 09/12/05
I think there is something missing in these talks about  Laff | 09/12/05
Re: They mean a lot  none none | 09/12/05
Or because MS is refusing to support you any more?  Zogg | 09/12/05
Does Red Hat support version 9?  balsover | 09/14/05
exactly, this is why i'm on win2k  Valis Keogh | 09/12/05
I agree with you 100%, stay on Win2k  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
The actual product was good  Michael Kelly | 09/12/05
Hey Mike, I noticed that you can download ...  Judas I. | 09/12/05
Novell was not that good  balsover | 09/14/05
Linux IS killing Windows, Rockhead.  Judas I. | 09/12/05
Really care to show that in dollars?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
Now, let me show you how ridiculous that statement is, Axey.  Judas I. | 09/12/05
Not on the desktop.  osreinstall | 09/12/05
Read my response to Axey, above, osreinstall.  Judas I. | 09/12/05
Been hearing that too long  osreinstall | 09/12/05
Well, I gotta say that I think you're wrong on this one.  Judas I. | 09/13/05
Really  osreinstall | 09/13/05
If "one of the selling points for Vista" is ...  Judas I. | 09/14/05
That is a little drastic and overstated  osreinstall | 09/14/05
re  jimk_z | 09/13/05
You just don't get it  jfp | 09/12/05
I get it  Loverock Davidson | 09/12/05
See, Rockhead REALLY doesn't get it.  Judas I. | 09/13/05
that is a very large 'only' that you list  balsover | 09/14/05
Clueless  Roger Ramjet | 09/13/05
Your Just a Hater  Edward@... | 09/13/05
windows is now like Unix..Its fragmented.  jimk_z | 09/13/05
Another report.  vdraken | 09/12/05
RE: Another report  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/12/05
Could not agree more. Microsoft is not focusing on what corporate customers  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
they are simply incapable of delivering a  michael_t | 09/12/05
I AGREE 100%  the_slash | 09/12/05
I think they call that "Progress"  SteveG123 | 09/12/05
You are making crap up again as usual.  osreinstall | 09/12/05
What's the point? What the hell...  GuyAlanDye | 09/13/05
I-Tunes work on Windows  voska | 09/13/05
That's fair...  GuyAlanDye | 09/13/05
You still don't have it straight.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/13/05
Good Gawd, Here We Go...  GuyAlanDye | 09/14/05
Dude, give up this obsession with MS  John Zern | 09/12/05
I'd be happy to.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/13/05
Spoken like a cubical drone  Chad_z | 09/14/05
Of course  Edward@... | 09/13/05
What do you expect the competition to say?  osreinstall | 09/12/05
But those on NT and Win2000, that won' t get upgrades??  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Vista has multiple distros.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
Sure thing: blue, red, green, yellow, orange, teale and high-contrast  michael_t | 09/12/05
Said the guy without a clue.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
He is arguing differences will be cosmetic, Vista will NOT run on 256 MB.  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Yes, But Linux Will  itanalyst | 09/12/05
Yeah... And...?  Wolfie2K3 | 09/13/05
The word you want is version, not distro (or distrib)  B.O.F.H. | 09/12/05
Either works for me and for you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
But they have NOT planned one that will work on 256 MB.  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
So what? Do you know the price of RAM lately?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
It is not just the RAM, it is the whole system performance.  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Open case, install ram. 5 minutes  osreinstall | 09/12/05
And, after installing that RAM, it still won't run Vista.  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
So now you are doing your job.  osreinstall | 09/12/05
As of NOW, Vista won't run on 256MB, yes,Linux might force MS to reconsider  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Wishful thinking  osreinstall | 09/12/05
Oh, I see, Microsoft is stupid?? Discounts for stuff that does NOT work???  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Just in case  osreinstall | 09/12/05
Poppycock!  Wolfie2K3 | 09/13/05
Irrelevant, if the RAM won't fit in your motherboard.  Zogg | 09/12/05
Stupid is as Stupid does  tystoy1 | 09/14/05
Hardware has a finite life.  osreinstall | 09/12/05
You seem to think that all corporations have unlimited resources.  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
you seem to think  IT Scion | 09/12/05
If the pain of the security problems is less than the pain of Linux,  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
You think linux is the only variable.  osreinstall | 09/12/05
Most companies keep hardware if works good and had the uumph needed  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Large companies have a upgrade schedule.  osreinstall | 09/12/05
So corporations can throw away money because it is tax deductable???  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
It is just business.  osreinstall | 09/12/05
Corporations will implement the DRM  voska | 09/12/05
But, they aint a gona buy Vista just to get DRM.  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
They will chance it.  osreinstall | 09/12/05
With or without DRM, Linux beats Windows hands down on security.  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
You know this for sure?  osreinstall | 09/12/05
You are dreaming if you thing DRM is the answer to security.  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
We haven't seen it yet.  osreinstall | 09/12/05
Villy: DRM would work there  voska | 09/13/05
Consumers can DRM their own work too.  osreinstall | 09/13/05
Exactly what I meant.  osreinstall | 09/12/05
DRM might help if run on a SECURE platform.  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Most are going with Vista  osreinstall | 09/12/05
Read up, very few corporations are planning to use Vista.  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Another wish on your list  osreinstall | 09/12/05
Of course they will stick with W2K or XP  voska | 09/13/05
Anyone using NT or Windows 95 is not in the same market  balsover | 09/14/05
Gee  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/12/05
I knew you would come around eventually.  osreinstall | 09/12/05
Keep dreaming...  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/12/05
Well you were lucid for 5 seconds.  osreinstall | 09/12/05
Yeah right....  Tommy Gun | 09/12/05
Could this be because  IT_User | 09/12/05
RE:  proxer | 09/13/05
Nuff Said...  Wolfie2K3 | 09/13/05
well...  KewlAzMe | 09/14/05
Vista will drive users away from MS  Otto_Delete | 09/12/05
Bad timing for OS X  rpmyers1 | 09/12/05
Perhaps, but...  tic swayback | 09/12/05
Good point.  opensourcepro | 09/12/05
So then Apple is throwing away it's HW side?  IT Scion | 09/12/05
Don't hold your breath  tic swayback | 09/12/05
...And donkeys will fly.  Wolfie2K3 | 09/13/05
but...  KewlAzMe | 09/14/05
as well as the more confusing aspects of it  Oscar_Goldman | 09/12/05
Where did you come up with those numbers?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
Yes, Dirt Cheap To Companies  itanalyst | 09/12/05
You'll also need to get a new monitor  Alan Balaoing | 09/12/05
Yiu ar so far out in left field we can't even see you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
re  jimk_z | 09/13/05
Nice of Novell to say so  Boot_Agnostic | 09/12/05
Nonsense  wrgpd | 09/12/05
Is Vista compatible  rpmyers1 | 09/12/05
Yup  IT Scion | 09/12/05
Why Novell is really scaring me  Michael Kelly | 09/12/05
What I don't get  rapson | 09/12/05
I don't get it either..  Wolfie2K3 | 09/13/05
Hog Wash, first the user must be considering a new OS...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
The article is hogwash?  Michael Kelly | 09/12/05
The premis is hogwash...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
Not really  Michael Kelly | 09/12/05
I agree in part.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
Re: I agree in part.  none none | 09/12/05
Re: Not really  none none | 09/12/05
Re: Hog Wash, first the user must be considering a new OS...  none none | 09/12/05
As usual nobody has harmed MS MORE than  michael_t | 09/12/05
Again  IT Scion | 09/12/05
Novell's last, gasping breath...  jpr75_z | 09/12/05
MS is screwing up  jimk_z | 09/13/05
only one  tystoy1 | 09/14/05
what about...  KewlAzMe | 09/14/05
actually very clever...  keithx | 09/15/05
Good Riddance  the_slash | 09/12/05
Delay will cost Microsoft  opensourcepro | 09/12/05
So then I can  IT Scion | 09/12/05
Re: Delay will cost Microsoft  ryxr30 | 09/12/05
As long as MS has a stanglehold on VAR's  skeptic tank | 09/12/05
VARs will offer Linux if customers demand it. IBM and others already  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
An "IF" that is never going to happen.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
The point is, if you are a large corporation, it is already easy to get  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Why would they change OS?  Andromedat6 | 09/12/05
Nice  IT Scion | 09/12/05
Funny you should say that...  Zogg | 09/12/05
Funnier  IT Scion | 09/14/05
Why switch to Linux?  hojue | 09/12/05
how about reliability?  Oscar_Goldman | 09/12/05
And you are talking about Windows right  zzz1234567890 | 09/14/05
Novell is gonna be the death of SuSE...  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/12/05
They all suck  osreinstall | 09/12/05
No... just SuSE.  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/12/05
None of them are that fast  osreinstall | 09/12/05
Gentoo  Real World | 09/13/05
I will give it a try.  osreinstall | 09/13/05
Ethernet  Real World | 09/13/05
I had to wait 4 years before deadrat fired up nforce220  osreinstall | 09/13/05
Competition on the desktop?  George Mitchell | 09/12/05
What people forget here, is that we have a huge potential to reduce costs,  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Tiny potenticial that is yet to be proven.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/12/05
You didn't hear about the discounts offered to Munich????  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Tiny potenticial that is yet to be proven  James58 | 09/14/05
Great observation  Richard Flude | 09/12/05
MS will keep giving security fixes for Win2000, and we never had support  DonnieBoy | 09/12/05
Wow. Speaking of "No brainers"  John Zern | 09/12/05
Not sure about this  hipparchus2000 | 09/12/05
Novell has the best NOS in the world - Netware!  bjbrock | 09/12/05
Hey DonnieSoft, you got it wrong again...  John Zern | 09/12/05
I agree...  immrlizard | 09/13/05
.  compguy_z | 09/12/05
Businesses, perhaps, but I doubt home users will  CobraA1 | 09/12/05
Opportunity for Microsoft to Recover  evangelinux | 09/13/05
Whatever.  mockylock | 09/13/05
Same old Novell, degraded Microsoft.  jimk_z | 09/13/05
PIRACY  sushrutdk | 09/13/05
what a joke  rijswijk | 09/14/05
Joe Sixpack Speaks  s_gamgee | 09/14/05
Hardware Upgrade Costs  aulax@... | 09/14/05
Linux had only one chance to compete...  KewlAzMe | 09/14/05
..and..  KewlAzMe | 09/14/05
agreed...  KewlAzMe | 09/14/05
Vista vs. Linux  shanedr | 09/14/05
Vista is more likely to push users to OS X  AldoWatts | 09/14/05
My two cents..  redtrain65 | 09/15/05
why do my colleagues root for MS???  ted.dushane | 09/17/05

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