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Anty, yoiu're being RIDICULOUS!
"I was talking about the intentional confiscation of the value of a piece of software by an imitator."

That is PARANOIA and delusional. Where did you get this insanity from? Most everyone imitates everyone in the business world. Both Lipton and Nestea makde iced tea. Who's copying who? Who has the sole rights to sell iced tea? If one lowers their prices, you mean to tell me it's to "steal" the value of its competitiors' products? Why can't you uinderstand that people may be doing these things FOR THEMSELVES and not to harm others?

"Settle down."

Jesus, likewise..;-)

"Tell you what, if open source projects that imitate successful proprietary products don't exist, then my criticism applies to no one."

Sendmail=open source
apache=open source
unix=mostly open source
bind=open source

So your dns lookups are being done by open source, run off of open source OS, the e-mails you send over the internet are delivered by open source, and your posting to an open source web server running apache open source software. Can you imagine if you were asked to pay each time you did any kind of exchanging with all these technologies? Put it to you this way: the internet would not exist! So according to you, Microsoft should abandon Exchange, as they are obviously seeking to "confiscate" the profits derived from sendmail. wink

"C'mon. That's like saying, if I can get away with your money, then it's not stealing any longer."

Anty please, this is childish, unrealistic, and runs counter to all forms of modern day business. If I make a profit off something, it WAS NOT your profits that I "stole". You NEVER earned it, thus you have no rights to it. If imitating products were considering stealing bvy the court system..you do realize that virtually NO companies would be in business..right? Where did Microsoft COPY the idea of Windows from? wink
If we followed through with your "logic", Windows, IE, Outlook, Exchange, Outlook Express, Word, Excel, etc..WOULD NOT EXIST!!!
You seem to feel this automatic entitlement to money. Apparently you don't realize that what you keep suggesting is PRECISELY what is wrong with the patent system right now. You want to create something, then use the legal system to ensure you never have to innovate again, and keep an eternal monopoly lock on whatever that product is.

"You realize that you could write a program that does the same job, the same way.
Would you write that program and not charge for it?
You do know that producing that free version would reduce someone else's income. You also know that a reduction in income damages people."


Waaaaaaaaah! Awwwwww poor baby! THat's called *LIFE*, ma man! Ever hear of market share??? If one company's share increases, doesn't that naturally "damage someone else's income"? DUH! Join the free market, my friend! Do you ever step foot out of the house? EVERYONE is looking to capitalize on something, and being that this is a finite world of relationships..inevitably someone else suffers! Is there any possible solution you can realistically propose where everyone wins and no one loses?

"Would you, in your more lucid moments, take an action that you knew would harm someone else at no gain to you? Even with gain to you? I expect not."

YES!!! So you have never done something whereby someone else lost out? You do realize you are taking up a spot at your company. Well, that's a job that SOMEONE ELSE could have had..but you "DAMAGED THEIR INCOME" my friend! wink Bwahahahaha!!! You're profiting, and their getting squat! They get to buy your wares..right after they get off the unemployment line baby! Bwahahahaha!!!

"What we're looking at here is not market competition, it's simply malevolence, by the losers you were describing."

That is ABSURD overreaching. So you really mean to tell me you think Linus's sole motivation in creating linux was to hurt and try to put everyone out of business? PLEASE don't tell me you really think that.
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli   Posted on: 04/08/05 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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Another Freeloader  osreinstall | 04/06/05
Totally Wrong  opensourcepro | 04/07/05
He is asking for a free lunch  osreinstall | 04/07/05
Doesn't freedom just SUCK?  Jeff Spicoli | 04/07/05
I reckon people will pay to see a certain feature in a free package  hipparchus2000 | 04/07/05
That's a great idea  Jeff Spicoli | 04/07/05
Flippin' volunteer  Anton Philidor | 04/07/05
Sorry Anty, but I've placed myself in a career which won't be swallowed up  Jeff Spicoli | 04/07/05
I see free/open source as an economic change  hipparchus2000 | 04/07/05
So you admit!  Martin Marvinski | 04/07/05
Now if..  Jeff Spicoli | 04/07/05
Not true. You can pay from your pocket.  Anton Philidor | 04/07/05
It's called *LIFE* my poor Anty  Jeff Spicoli | 04/07/05
Easy come, easy go.  Anton Philidor | 04/07/05
some negativism going on here  hipparchus2000 | 04/07/05
I appreciate your confidence in me...  Anton Philidor | 04/08/05
You're SCARING me Anton  Jeff Spicoli | 04/08/05
Starting at shadows.  Anton Philidor | 04/08/05
Anty, yoiu're being RIDICULOUS!  Jeff Spicoli | 04/08/05
You're right about one thing.  Anton Philidor | 04/09/05
Freedom is great but anarchy sucks!  osreinstall | 04/07/05
Well..  Jeff Spicoli | 04/07/05
Isn't that the OSS business model  osreinstall | 04/07/05
If you only knew..  Jeff Spicoli | 04/07/05
You are still not getting paid at what you love to do!  osreinstall | 04/07/05
Alas, that's the real world my friend  Jeff Spicoli | 04/07/05
Ah, Now I see some issues  osreinstall | 04/08/05
no not 'liberating' this sounds like a euphamism for theft  hipparchus2000 | 04/07/05
Ownership means nothing to you?  osreinstall | 04/07/05
ownership means nothing?  hipparchus2000 | 04/08/05
You need a crash course in economics then extensive training  osreinstall | 04/08/05
you can't charge for water in a place where it rains all the time  hipparchus2000 | 04/08/05
Talk about distraction  osreinstall | 04/08/05
Ah, COBOL  Anton Philidor | 04/08/05
how old am I?  hipparchus2000 | 04/08/05
I think you're combining ideas...  Anton Philidor | 04/08/05
IE7 is copying tabs from Mozilla  hipparchus2000 | 04/08/05
Yes, Microsoft says they "innovate"...  Anton Philidor | 04/08/05
real innovators - i agree  hipparchus2000 | 04/08/05
Why?  rapson | 04/07/05
Can't agree with Lessig about Flash ...  Joseph Friedman | 04/07/05
Flash needs to offer control to end users as well...  shawkins | 04/07/05
Flash can be controlled by endusers  Anton Philidor | 04/08/05
Only if they use IE (I don't)  shawkins | 04/08/05

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