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And despite those changes...
... to SP2, MS still has not managed to create a secure browser. They have said time and again that they are going to, or that they already had, etc. W#hy should I trust them? An "old, familiar friend" doesn't behave that way. If I hadn't read months of mindless pro-MS drivel from you already, I would think you are trying to pull one over on us.
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That's NBMers btw, and yes, competition is good!  TechType | 02/15/05
Doh! Dyslexic am I.. Proud Yoda would be..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 02/15/05
Yup, competition is a good thing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/15/05
Let me know when it arrives, okay?  Anton Philidor | 02/15/05
Wow! You really worked on that!  Martin Marvinski | 02/15/05
Of course security is important.  Anton Philidor | 02/15/05
You really need to work on your sales pitch  Michael Kelly | 02/15/05
Good partyspeak, comrade.  bhayes@... | 02/15/05
The Imp of the Perverse  Anton Philidor | 02/15/05
... they know the VALUE of those standards ...  Anton Philidor | 02/15/05
You are everywhere...  bhayes@... | 02/15/05
Actually...  d00fuss | 02/15/05
IE, the de facto standard?  jbaviera@... | 02/15/05
What do you think standards are all about???  Henk de Boer | 02/15/05
The Imp is alive and kicking.  Anton Philidor | 02/16/05
Microsoft is a corporation... NOT a standards body...  shawkins | 02/16/05
Standalone IE  Anton Philidor | 02/16/05
What?  IceTheNet@... | 02/16/05
Isn't a Standard  trevogre | 02/22/05
And despite those changes...  Martin Marvinski | 02/15/05
I suggested ...  Anton Philidor | 02/15/05
Sorry buddy...  Mike (not Cox) | 02/16/05
Isn't that special. Hmmmm.  Pebkac Charlie | 02/15/05
They're already smart...  Anton Philidor | 02/15/05
Sounds like you want Firefox wink  CobraA1 | 02/16/05
I considered FireFox an interesting alternative...  Anton Philidor | 02/16/05
Wah so CEO's last 5 years  Linux User 147560 | 02/16/05
Good sense.  Anton Philidor | 02/16/05
Standards?  johnlb2002 | 02/16/05
Do you think if Microsoft met the "standards"...  Anton Philidor | 02/16/05
Paranoid delusions of persecution...  MacCanuck | 02/16/05
What profit for Microsoft in mp4?  Anton Philidor | 02/16/05
What?  cashaww | 02/16/05
Re: Let me know when it arrives, okay?  MepisLINUXuser | 02/16/05
Good Ole Microsoft  alterego_z | 02/15/05
Re: Good Ole Microsoft  MepisLINUXuser | 02/16/05
NEWS FLASH: Hell Freezes Over  Squawkbox | 02/15/05
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Yes I did  dbrannan | 02/15/05
Bull!  johnlb2002 | 02/16/05
What I mean is...  dbrannan | 02/16/05
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I don't  Martin Marvinski | 02/15/05
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I can explain a bit  d00fuss | 02/16/05
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"so that they can get it right"  Squawkbox | 02/15/05
AND to further prove my point  Squawkbox | 02/15/05
Wow  IT Scion | 02/15/05
But wasn't that...  rapson | 02/15/05
By definition...  Michael Kelly | 02/15/05
Okay, Let me clarify...  el1jones | 02/15/05
Get It Right?  mhuddy | 02/16/05
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Longhorn Vaporware  dr_who@... | 02/15/05
Funny  cashaww | 02/16/05
OK, so they add tabbed browsing  skeptic tank | 02/15/05
tabbed browsing and popup blocker: Microsoft stealing IP from Open Source?  hipparchus2000 | 02/15/05
You cannot steal from open source.  rkadowns | 02/15/05
Hence the existence of Sun.(NT)  IT Scion | 02/15/05
you try taking the code from my GPL prorams and selling it proprietary ware  hipparchus2000 | 02/15/05
Try this...  Hugh Jass | 02/15/05
Don't see it  rapson | 02/16/05
I don't think it's Microsoft  magcomment | 02/16/05
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Wrong!  wresnick | 02/15/05
Sure you can...  John L. Ries | 02/15/05
Where did you come up with something like this?  AmusedAtItAll | 02/15/05
Shows what you know about OSS  nucrash | 02/16/05
Huh?  rapson | 02/15/05
IBM's hidden R&D department - NT  osreinstall | 02/15/05
Not quite  seosamh_z | 02/15/05
Don't be surprised  AmusedAtItAll | 02/15/05
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It doesn't  skeptic tank | 02/15/05
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Why turn off active x?  dch48 | 02/15/05
Active X is useful?????  johnlb2002 | 02/16/05
Question  cashaww | 02/16/05
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Exactly!  PXLated | 02/15/05
So could it be said  rkadowns | 02/15/05
If..  Jeff Spicoli | 02/15/05
Firefox is not stoping them......  dave95 | 02/15/05
A good point in there.  Anton Philidor | 02/15/05
Hopefully...  Omch'Ar | 02/15/05
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Willing customers are better than resigned customers.  Anton Philidor | 02/15/05
Interesting, but...  John L. Ries | 02/15/05
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Hm...  John L. Ries | 02/15/05
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Anton, you must get your paycheck from Redmond.  bhayes@... | 02/15/05
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Trust Us, Again?  Harry Bardal | 02/15/05
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Choice?  Jim Connell | 02/15/05
Nice try  IT Scion | 02/16/05
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RE  Blackdog_z | 02/15/05
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Sensible  John L. Ries | 02/15/05
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This article proves  IT Scion | 02/15/05
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nope  ColdFusion_z | 02/15/05
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Techies and Newbies  igohigh@... | 02/15/05
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Actually  Linux User 147560 | 02/16/05
I'll leave...  Mack DaNife | 02/16/05
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Of course.  Anton Philidor | 02/17/05
Wow  mnishiza | 02/18/05
Less capable than IE?  xenomorf0337 | 02/16/05
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SP2? What about Linux, Win 200x, and MAC? The only clear choice Firefox  gworley@... | 02/16/05
Re: FireFox...Whatever!!  MepisLINUXuser | 02/16/05
Don't sell the avg. user short.  mkrupsky@... | 02/16/05
RE:FireFox...Whatever!!  mnishiza | 02/18/05
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Good.  Anton Philidor | 02/15/05
DUH!  northridge | 02/15/05
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Heres a thought...  bhayes@... | 02/15/05
Well, who gives a flying anything?  Rinzai | 02/15/05
Who gives a flying SHEESH  mkrupsky@... | 02/16/05
Surprise, surprise  gmlong | 02/15/05
Why would anyone in their right mind go back?  gtdworak | 02/16/05
Re: Why would anyone in their right mind go back?  MepisLINUXuser | 02/16/05
Why  eticket | 02/15/05
But will IE7 support Web Standards?  jemshep | 02/15/05
IE and Web standards  Serpamac | 02/15/05
Now you know full well......  dave95 | 02/15/05
True, but...  nucrash | 02/16/05
Theres a reason for that  mcrute | 02/16/05
IE responds to Firefox  randprice | 02/15/05
Microsoft only cares about its own image not customers  randprice | 02/15/05
1 + 1 = M$ Forcing Your Hand  Oni_z | 02/15/05
MaArket Share? Why?  jeffjansen | 02/15/05
Re: MaArket Share? Why?  tbbrickster_z | 02/15/05
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Service and Distribution revenue flow  merithin | 02/17/05
But they do lose money -- loads!  coffeenite | 02/17/05
IE Update  jencykelly | 02/15/05
MS site refuses to work with Firefox?  xenomorf0337 | 02/16/05
IE7 before Longhorn  jack@... | 02/15/05
This would lead one to  Linux User 147560 | 02/15/05
Rip off open source myth.  osreinstall | 02/15/05
They also said WMP was linked......  dave95 | 02/15/05
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Ziegheil Fuhrer Gates!!!!!  StevieA | 02/15/05
Ziegheil Fuhrer Gates!!!!!  neverhome | 02/15/05
I will agree with you about IE  dave95 | 02/15/05
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Wow  IT Scion | 02/15/05
Momentary lapse of reason  osreinstall | 02/15/05
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....Batman!  dave95 | 02/15/05
The lie comes to light, competition is alive  mlindl | 02/15/05
Yada, yada, yada...  jrniccolls@... | 02/15/05
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Perfectly secure  CobraA1 | 02/16/05
Heres 100% security for ya..  widge_z | 02/16/05
Great!!!  richdave | 02/15/05
Who gives a Rat's batooy?  gaelicfog@... | 02/15/05
FireFox Rox - it rhymes as well as it works!  Rashavarek | 02/15/05
Gates is consistent - he'll do anything to destroy competition!  netace_z | 02/15/05
IE update  wrmurray | 02/15/05
ieupdate 7  pcgeek_z | 02/15/05
A minor repeat  d00fuss | 02/15/05
My question to you  IT Scion | 02/15/05
CSS  bhayes@... | 02/15/05
Wonderful rant  IT Scion | 02/16/05
Ah.. you're not so smart, IT Scion  d00fuss | 02/16/05
No problem, I have a list  CobraA1 | 02/16/05
I know  IT Scion | 02/16/05
I dunno  d00fuss | 02/16/05
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IE can be disabled and/or uninstalled on all Windows OS  gworley@... | 02/16/05
How to lose the browser war....  mrs1622 | 02/15/05
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"Clean, fast, secure, stable, unbloated" - I like that happy  CobraA1 | 02/16/05
ME TOO !  mkrupsky@... | 02/16/05
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Huh?  CobraA1 | 02/16/05
He is Rendering with 3D party plug-ins.  nucrash | 02/16/05
TV ? Why?  mkrupsky@... | 02/16/05
If you use Firefox you have no choice  jogiba@... | 02/16/05
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Must use a plugin  CobraA1 | 02/16/05
Whinge, Whinge, Whinge  Fujikid | 02/15/05
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Yes, Thank you FireFox Developers  mkrupsky@... | 02/16/05
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Yes but....  nucrash | 02/16/05
Why go with the flow?  Anton Philidor | 02/16/05
Go with the MS flow???  BC1980 | 02/16/05
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Insignificant  BobSchlesinger_z | 02/16/05
Who Cares?  zclayton2 | 02/16/05
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MSFT Execution FUM-BLE  Chad_z | 02/16/05
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Browser wars are back!  interlocutor | 02/16/05
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firefox and new explorer  elvee | 02/16/05
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IE Update, Huh?  Pacis | 02/16/05
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FireFox  anthony13282juno.com | 02/16/05
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Microsoft IE Upgrade  edjcox@... | 02/16/05
Tired of M$? Come over to the Mac Side happy  NRecob | 02/16/05
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Re: Re: Tired of M$? Come over to the Mac Side happy  MepisLINUXuser | 02/16/05
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Talk Back  TreeSlayer | 02/16/05
I don't care  Altern_z | 02/16/05
Who cares about MS?  Sonic20 | 02/16/05
Microsoft IE Update  LewisMP | 02/16/05
Microsoft's new browser update  tropical | 02/16/05
MS updating IE  saflyboy | 02/16/05
Tried Firefox, DIDN'T LIKE IT  johnp@... | 02/16/05
Re: Tried Firefox, DIDN'T LIKE IT  MepisLINUXuser | 02/16/05
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Could you be specific?  CobraA1 | 02/16/05
So what?  danag42@... | 02/16/05
Firefox  clamraker13@... | 02/16/05
Internet Explorer  swgoldwire | 02/16/05
What else is new and who cares...  MepisLINUXuser | 02/16/05
Upgrade or Crippleware?  mkrupsky@... | 02/16/05
Re: Upgrade or Crippleware?  MepisLINUXuser | 02/16/05
Windohs update from Firefox in Linux, lmao!  MepisLINUXuser | 02/16/05
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for split to IE & Micros~1 Windoze :  composer@... | 02/16/05
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dont act blonde?  20079090@... | 02/16/05
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IE "Update"  BrtRbrtsN@... | 02/17/05
IE, Firefox or Opera That is the question  legal1 | 02/17/05
Pigs can fly given sufficient thrust  bob@... | 02/17/05
..because of Firefox? Don't make me laugh  Jazhawk | 02/17/05
I Love an Underdog!  TomBarclay | 02/17/05
Irony!  wresnick | 02/18/05
IE update  bobbya12@... | 02/17/05
Trust them again? NO WAY  maxxie | 02/17/05
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As good a response as any I have read  joekunzman | 02/18/05
XP service pack 3  Ogandydancer | 02/18/05
You are exactly right  wresnick | 02/18/05
What about the other 80% of the market  GeoMac | 02/18/05
Does it really matter?  Winfan | 02/19/05
All to play for  praxis22 | 02/19/05
Firefox  jelaine2000 | 02/19/05
IE upgrade versus Firefox  tfuller1@... | 02/20/05
You tried firefox?  M.Fridholm | 02/20/05
IE Update  chuck5406@... | 02/20/05
gates gives away IE for free  wexwimpy@... | 08/05/05
updatine IE  wlinda | 02/23/05
IE7?  sbarringer@... | 03/14/05
Im glad microsoft is thinking of security  RPerkins | 03/16/05
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