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still wrong -futher info

The p2p clients connect to other p2p clients only (older more ancient stuff might). The server connection is only for updates and other info.

Like I said If the p2p business went dead (servers too - they have no equipment running) the system would still work. And you still can't stop it. Why... the peers/users are the network.

Get yourself educated on how p2p works and quit makeing claims like its a server system, it's not.

There is no hosting of data or any data transfered/ handled by the p2p software company (only in cases where they offer their own legal stuff do they do that).

So how do you filter...It can only be done by sending a filter list to each user (or each user fetching the most recent list when they log on from nearest peer). Then filtering is done based on this list. It could hold millions of entries even billions. How long does it take to run the list through for each peer you connect to....way to long to make the network feasible. Then what if you do breach someone free speech rights (for something legal) - civil suit big time - most civil suits result in million for each one.

Who sets the list the media companies? or a independent organization?

if the media companies do..whats stopping them from intentionally puuting errors in to shut down competing legal free works. who checks to make sure the companies don't lie or have other agendas.

The company is not hosting any illegal material. He is just offering a tool that can be used illegally by people. Do we start telling gun manufactures to do everything possible to wipe out crimes with guns? NO

But that's what your trying to say here. If this standard is taken up, then alot of things will be made illegal for the same standards.

items to be banned
Guns, knives, xerox machines, printing press, computers, scanners, printers
I could go on and on

tools don't commit crimes , nor do the companies making those tools. The end users do, go after them or is that to hard to do for you. The laws are already in place for you to do that, you don't need anymore.

And as making more difficult, all the media industry is doing is making the tools harder to track. The newer ones are/will be impossible to track and impossible to stop. You were better of with napster (the original) and worked out a licensing SOCAN deal.

What you don't understand is this is a big world and your laws don't apply everywhere. All you will do is chasing tech industry to countries outside your jurisdiction, leaving any laws you impose useless.
And a loss of tech industry and future technological growth as well.

Technology to stop crime on the internet.... limited at moment... and in the future will be even more limited, because it's easier to thwart detection than to find an identity when you dealing with proxies/tunneling through countries with no laws to protect your rights (as well as those countries may want to "stick it" to the Americans - like N.Korea ).

And again you equate infringement with theft - they are not the same - not even close. You still have your property. All somebody did was to get free use of your property while you still own and control it - and the infringer gets to do the same to it. Sounds more like tresspassing to me (although that's not a accurate discription either - but closer than yours).


So you don't get revenue from an infringer - who said you were guarenteed revenues? no-one said it.

You can still make 100% of all the revenue you were entitled too, nothing stopping you. You can still sell the work to the person who infringed on you, even for the price you want.

All your entitled to is that no one competes against you with you own product and that no individual or company with intent to cause damage to your business offer it with that intent (they can't seek to go out and destroy your business by giving it away to destoy you, or altering it to deface your product - and you have to prove motive).

And when making claims of loss you have to prove the infringer would have bought it from you if he didn't download it (that's not always the case - maybe the person would never buy it anyways). And in other cases downloading a copy may have made a fan of your software and gained you new customers you would have never had, which in return reduces loss.


Look Im a software developer myself, my own business too. But it zealots like you that make the industry stance stupid. You already have laws in place to go after the users. With this industry stance everything from the computer to DVD-RW,CDRW, copy machines, the net, NEWSGROUPS, IRC, any net connection would be banned. Why? all of it can be used to infringe on a major scale. Remember all those people that download must be burning the stuff with thier computers - so lets ban computers now.


you said " Infringing happens when you take away my ability to profit from material that I have copyrighted"

well someone playing your music to make profit for himself is loss (street hockers - playing music on the street are infringing)

Someone playing a movie on a car DVD player in front of a crow is infringement. - they may never rent or buy it now.

Someone playing a song on stereo on street - everyone on the street has a recorder and records it - it's infringement - playing in any public enviroment without permission is infringement.
wwho infringing the listener - no - the one who plays the car stereo. (there could be 100's or 1000's people listening if you play it load enough - once i hear it - I lose interest in it - it's a loss - but you may gain others that might buy it).

What constitutes an infringement - sharing with 1,2, 3 a dozen, 100's, 1000's (they all do). The courts will even say so. You can make the distinct of where to draw the line. Either all sharing is legal or it's all illegal. So any public display would be covered.

You stated "there are restrictions on public displays of work for free .Bars are not allowed to display pay-per-view events without paying the cable company extra for that ability"
-not in my country, it's legal. Just can't charge for it (no door fees - that would be profiting). No different that listening to the radio in a bar - you paid for it.

Same goes for jukeboxes - we have no fees here for playing copyright music for profit here. Same for rental DVD's - the rental stores buy them and pay no royalties here.

Again you try to force your laws on every other nation. You can't do that.

Like I said I don't DL or Offer material I don't own(have created). But I recognize the reality that

1. You can't win
2. p2p is here to stay
3. filtering files is useless
4. blocking people is useless
5. banning software is useless
6. tracing will be useless soon (with miltiple proxies & tunneling and internet speed increase coming)
7. DRM while will temporary create a short term solution will also fail, as was pointed out by microsoft's cheif developer on DRM technologies. (it will be broken and increasing encrption just reduces playability/portability -and will eventually results in complete failure to work because of the encryption needed to protect it)


As a programmer myself I see the reality and would rather accept this fact and try to make profit from using p2p than trying to protect a losing hand. It's better to have a SOCAN like royalty than nothing. Remember users that DL may DL the software again for more $$ because the original was lost (hd failed, cd failed, may want a better version of song at higher quality more $$$).

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