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EULAs failing
I don't think the companies pushing EULAs are doing at all well.

If they were confident of their legal basis they wouldn't be pushing for the states to adopt UCITA.

Also several states have put laws in place to protect their consumers from the UCITA states.

There's also the case brought against MS for the EULA that says she could return it to the shop and get a refund if she didn't agree with the EULA, but she found out she can't return it. The shop doesn't take it back, and even if it did she would have had the expense/penalty of the return trip.

A quick googling:
http://news.com.com/2100-1001-983988.html

Thats a total kiss of death, the whole basis of terms after a sale was very iffy even if she could have got her money back.

""Defendants acted in concert and have concocted a scheme to sell consumers in the state of California software licenses in retail stores without allowing them to review the terms and conditions of such software licenses prior to sale," Ira Rothken, Baker's lawyer, wrote in the complaint.

Further, the suit claims that people who don't accept the terms of the agreement cannot return software to the stores. According to the suit, Baker tried to return the Microsoft and Symantec software to CompUSA after refusing to consent to the licensing terms. However, CompUSA refused to take the software back, saying the packages had been opened, according to the suit.

End-user license agreements have become a hot-button issue in the tech industry as more and more companies try to forge increasingly restrictive contracts. Some companies have tried to ban class-action lawsuits, damages or reverse engineering of their products.

In one of the few cases so far to test the limits of such agreements, a judge in New York ruled last month that Network Associates could not enforce wording that prohibited reviews of its product without prior consent. "

There's a nice discussion of the case law here:

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/institutes/bclt/pubs/annrev/exmplrs/bp/ucitabp.pdf
Posted by: Nigel Johnstone   Posted on: 12/05/03 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Yes and No  Robert Crocker | 12/05/03
This stupid  voska | 12/05/03
Region codes irrelevant  Fred Fredrickson | 12/07/03
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Chumps  GRindinAxTaRupy | 12/05/03
Hey GRindin  nite_w0lf | 12/05/03
Yer right nitey  GRindinAxTaRupy | 12/05/03
I disagree  bhanes@... | 12/05/03
Where we are?  Vily Clay | 12/05/03
It's not all bad  bna1jwr | 12/05/03
I hate that argument  GRindinAxTaRupy | 12/05/03
My final argument.  bna1jwr | 12/05/03
Capitolsim isn't the problem  voska | 12/05/03
Captialism is dependent on greed  Fred Fredrickson | 12/07/03
Greed kills capitolism  voska | 12/08/03
The sky is falling, oh my!  cybershoplifter | 12/05/03
Im still cornfused  Hanover Phist | 12/05/03
Copyright is  dscherf | 12/05/03
if you live in the US  ryusen | 12/05/03
I'd love that citation  AbsolutelyNot | 12/05/03
unfortuantly for P2P  ryusen | 12/05/03
im still cONfused  ladyburd | 04/25/07
Different Laws for Different Countries  bna1jwr | 12/05/03
Hollywood sold him the content, he paid for his movies  FilledOut | 12/05/03
Can't have license fee and GPL  A.Sinic | 12/08/03
?You?ll be sued for Christmas??  cybershoplifter | 12/05/03
"Broke into house" is the WORST metaphor EVER!!!  xunil skcor | 12/05/03
build a better house anology  ryusen | 12/05/03
MY HOUSE NOT YOURS  Nigel Johnstone | 12/05/03
Condos  voska | 12/05/03
Condos to the MPAA  Nigel Johnstone | 12/05/03
Grey area...  Patrick Jones | 12/05/03
but...  ryusen | 12/05/03
Bad Analogy....  Joe Blow_z | 12/05/03
You don't license the movie when you buy a DVD  voska | 12/05/03
and what is that fee we pay  JWatson77 | 12/05/03
Prove it.  tom802@... | 12/05/03
But you  dscherf | 12/05/03
Not true UCITA not implemented  Nigel Johnstone | 12/05/03
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TV comercials  randyb359 | 12/05/03
Good point  bhanes@... | 12/05/03
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Intel will be next  nite_w0lf | 12/07/03
Fair use?  jvahabzadeh | 12/05/03
Didn't He Make Player Software?  markdoiron | 12/05/03
all he did  ryusen | 12/05/03
yes, but  JWatson77 | 12/05/03
it's all about ownership  bjornafreeman@... | 12/05/03
Correct  bjornafreeman@... | 12/05/03
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Took their key?  samp_z | 12/05/03
*SCREAM*  ryusen | 12/05/03
I've had about all I can stand of this nonsence.  Dan C._z | 12/05/03
funny  JWatson77 | 12/05/03
breaking into our house!  nite_w0lf | 12/06/03
is it legal  JWatson77 | 12/07/03
Yes it is legal  voska | 12/08/03
Stealing? How?  none none | 12/06/03
I paid them for the rite to copy allready  nite_w0lf | 12/06/03
Guess it might be time for class action against Hollywood  FilledOut | 12/09/03
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