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There you go with that imitation bit - LOL
"I think FireFox isn't a big enough improvement, because the architects of FireFox decided to imitate IE. And because security led them to leave out a number of aspects of the experience for safety (and philosophy)."

We have already established that FireFox isnot an imitation of IE. That's obvious has FireFox has many features that IE lacks.

But onward to that claim that Mozilla coders left "leave out a number of aspects of the experience for safety ." That's incorrect. What they did was to ADD SECURITY as a fundamental design paradigm. Security is what MS coders have left out. And this is precisely why many are trying, liking, and using FireFox instead of IE. Get it yet?

BTW, I haven't found a site yet that didn't give the same "experience" using FireFox as it did using IE.

Once again, Anton, when will you ever tire of apologizing for MS?
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Phooey  m1-garande-facelift | 12/12/04
Curious Users Too  Christopher McLendon | 12/12/04
Even accounting for al those factors, it's not a small number.  CobraA1 | 12/12/04
Customizable?  userxp | 12/12/04
Customizing Bookmarks is a nobrainer  tl.eckels@... | 12/12/04
heh  userxp | 12/13/04
I did once  nucrash | 12/13/04
Just drag & drop them anywhere you want - what could be easier?  CobraA1 | 12/13/04
Here it goes  userxp | 12/14/04
IE a simpler interface?  Monkey_MCSE | 12/12/04
Perhaps that was a rip on people from Florida  nucrash | 12/13/04
Interface  IT Scion | 12/13/04
A year?  Chad_z | 12/13/04
Good point.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
Imitation  SC-man | 12/13/04
FireFox features.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
"giving others their chance...." LOL  jacarter3 | 12/13/04
Giving chances to developers, not competitors.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
You are better than Mike Cox!  jacarter3 | 12/13/04
Young at heart.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
Poor, poor anton. Maybe axey can help.  AmusedAtItAll | 12/13/04
Difficult for you to have a productive argument...  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
Same thing at the same time...  jacarter3 | 12/14/04
And of course, nobody really knows how many people are using Firefox  George Mitchell | 12/12/04
You are right about the sampling....  htotten | 12/12/04
What's the point?  jacarter3 | 12/13/04
Thank you.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
My guess is it will depend on web developers  htotten | 12/13/04
Agreed, almost.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
There you go with that imitation bit - LOL  jacarter3 | 12/13/04
BTW, I haven't found a site yet that didn't give the same "experience" usin  htotten | 12/13/04
Great example. 99.999% of users have no interest.  AmusedAtItAll | 12/13/04
Apparently you are not using FireFox or Opera...  jacarter3 | 12/14/04
Probably alot higher  Suicida| | 12/12/04
True IE's interface is simpler  Suicida| | 12/12/04
Simpler?  CobraA1 | 12/12/04
Not very impressed  jbachandouris@... | 12/12/04
Firefox doesn't have to function exactly like IE  hion2000 | 12/12/04
Not very informed  The-Bytemaster | 12/13/04
Thi$ is getting dangerou$.  Sniper_z | 12/12/04
You're a twit!  UncleBubba | 12/13/04
Microsoft has disputed these numbers  htotten | 12/12/04
i've done the same...  Monkey_MCSE | 12/12/04
Lucky you  toadlife | 12/12/04
Heh heh heh...I would think it these times that even  Laff | 12/13/04
Well, you know what they say.  Yen_z | 12/13/04
True Webmasters can make it render in both  JakAttak | 12/13/04
True Webmasters  SC-man | 12/13/04
Get him fired  IT Scion | 12/13/04
A reply to everyone here  toadlife | 12/13/04
Be careful  IT Scion | 12/13/04
Duly noted.  htotten | 12/13/04
Install it for them.  The-Bytemaster | 12/13/04
Soon Firefox will be the target  MilesZS | 12/12/04
Ha, don't make me laugh  hion2000 | 12/12/04
That's funny thinking  IT Scion | 12/13/04
Google results  el1jones | 12/13/04
Yes but..  seosamh_z | 12/13/04
Read the results....  The King's Servant | 12/13/04
Moving target  m1-garande-facelift | 12/12/04
MS charges for IE?  IT Scion | 12/13/04
not true anymore  doh123 | 12/13/04
No active x  DarthRidiculous | 12/12/04
Be careful for what you wish for...  bugmenotznet | 12/13/04
this scares ms  JasonL31 | 12/12/04
going to a free OS  rhammock | 12/13/04
Been there, done that,...  The King's Servant | 12/13/04
I am king Microsoft  ahkjmu@... | 12/12/04
Yes, my leige...  John Le'Brecage | 12/12/04
Not "No_Ax_To_Grind"...  The King's Servant | 12/13/04
Another wanna be LOSER  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
I don't know if this jjoke works without the visuals  Laff | 12/13/04
Jim, you always make me chuckle.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
Exactly  Yagotta B. Kidding | 12/13/04
Um, according to him, the King.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
...And I am NOT his servant!  The King's Servant | 12/13/04
you must be famous  IT Scion | 12/13/04
When they can't win the debate...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
When they can't win the debate...  eulagree | 12/13/04
Excellent axey.  AmusedAtItAll | 12/13/04
BOFH, your busted dude.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
Sorry to let you down, it ain't me!  B.O.F.H. | 12/13/04
Nice try...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
How did you find his IP address?  Linux_Developer | 12/14/04
Today is Monday Ax....  htotten | 12/13/04
Man, you really are easy.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
No I'm EASY...oh we are talking about something else here.  Laff | 12/13/04
You know the old saying...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
Firefox, No Doubt!  tl.eckels@... | 12/12/04
How many downloads does it take....  tedens | 12/12/04
I'll tell you how many  Eggs Ackley_z | 12/13/04
What it will take ...  George Mitchell | 12/13/04
More than whatever the actual number is  WhoDaMan | 12/13/04
Firefox pipe down  M_c | 12/13/04
M$ needs to bury I.E along with Outlook Express  liskanich | 12/13/04
Don't worry Microsoft!  Sniper_z | 12/13/04
You know Bob?  The-Bytemaster | 12/13/04
FireFox  cardinal33 | 12/13/04
What a STRANGE competition.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
Good times too!  Linux_Developer | 12/13/04
I agree with you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
That's just the thing though...  Michael Kelly | 12/13/04
FireFox is intended to compete with Opera...  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
faulty concept of economics  bugmenotznet | 12/13/04
Faulty concept of employment.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
So we argee  bugmenotznet | 12/13/04
correction to the above post  bugmenotznet | 12/13/04
Rescuing agreement  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
What people?  IT_User | 12/13/04
Well, the lawyers are safe.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
How new is it again? 1986???  The King's Servant | 12/13/04
You're right, not enough background.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
I'm Sorry. Was that sarcasm or am I missing something?  The King's Servant | 12/13/04
First paragraph of the document linked  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
...And here is the second paragraph:  The King's Servant | 12/15/04
Then why...  Michael Kelly | 12/13/04
Opera doesn't need competition.  Linux_Developer | 12/13/04
Opera doesn't need competition, but got it anyway.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
Wrong Wrong wrong  FilledOut | 12/13/04
The "support for pay" only model died...  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
The "support for pay" only model died...  AmusedAtItAll | 12/13/04
IBM put its eggs in one basket?  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
Utterly ridiculous.  Linux_Developer | 12/13/04
Of course Firefox is intended to kill Opera.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
Conspiracy theory?  IT_User | 12/13/04
Take off the tin foil hat, anton.  AmusedAtItAll | 12/13/04
Why talk about Microsoft in your response?  Anton Philidor | 12/14/04
You seem to contradict yourself  Mack DaNife | 12/14/04
Confusing the symptom with the disease  enduser_z | 12/14/04
Very strange  IT Scion | 12/13/04
I tend to agree with you, especially as they are killing IE.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
Butt Longhorn is still a ways away....Then there is the  Laff | 12/13/04
Why does it matter really.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
Mind share, Halo effect..etc, etc. Why did MS  Laff | 12/13/04
Entirely different situation.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
Now that IE is integrated, you're right, except...  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
The issue is that IE is Windows only  Michael Kelly | 12/13/04
How many desktops are not Windows only?  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
Re: How many desktops are not Windows only?  Mack DaNife | 12/14/04
As usual, bitty, wrong again  AmusedAtItAll | 12/13/04
"browser MARKET share" ?????  jjzoomer@... | 10/20/06
My latest complaint on FireFox/Mozzila  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
sounds about right  doh123 | 12/13/04
Perhaps they figured they should seek help from the firewall distributors  Michael Kelly | 12/13/04
Yes, but it smacks of the old run around.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
I have long shared your view  IT_User | 12/13/04
Looks like we're in agreement then (nt)  Michael Kelly | 12/13/04
axey, just has to rant, nothing new here.  AmusedAtItAll | 12/13/04
Yes, we can see who needs to rant endlessly.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/14/04
Very true....  htotten | 12/13/04
You're joking right?  voska | 12/14/04
To go to wiki....  The King's Servant | 12/13/04
Worked fine here  CobraA1 | 12/13/04
FireFox Next?!  grid212 | 12/13/04
You know that spammers and crime organizations  FilledOut | 12/13/04
FireFox: the mobsters' choice.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
By saying that...  Michael Kelly | 12/13/04
I paraphrased the original post.  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
The best discussions concern better answers, not right and wrong ones.  Squawkbox | 12/13/04
FireFox: the mobsters' choice.  AmusedAtItAll | 12/13/04
Firefox/Thunderbird/Sunbird Packaged with Open Office  itanalyst | 12/13/04
Well, it *might* get someone to consider using open office.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
Hmm..Considering Openoffice is 100% Compatible With Word, Excel, and PPT  itanalyst | 12/13/04
100% Compatible? I think not.  PA-ITGuy | 12/13/04
The Point I'm Trying To Get Across Is  itanalyst | 12/13/04
In my agency...  Confused by religion | 12/13/04
His question still stands.  The King's Servant | 12/13/04
MS shill #3 chimes in.  AmusedAtItAll | 12/13/04
The point  PA-ITGuy | 12/14/04
Compatible? Not hardly.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
gotta agree,  JoeMama_z | 12/13/04
gotta agree too  SC-man | 12/14/04
You're Not Looking At The Big Picture Are You?  itanalyst | 12/13/04
Yes, I downloaded it and use it occasionally...  Confused by religion | 12/13/04
Just curious  Anton Philidor | 12/13/04
Checking web pages  Confused by religion | 12/13/04
However, if the "browser" becomes mute...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
Does that mean we'll be reading our ZDNet talkbacks out of MS Word?  Michael Kelly | 12/13/04
Hard to say what might pop up.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/13/04
But I use Fx. Nothing pops-up happy (NT)  The King's Servant | 12/13/04
How does it become mute?  IT_User | 12/13/04
The sameway "networking software" became moot.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/14/04
Somehow the distinction eludes me  IT_User | 12/14/04
.... and here it is .....  Badger47 | 12/13/04
What's in a number?  The King's Servant | 12/13/04
Still is missing something, I will not deploy it to my clients until....  JoeMama_z | 12/13/04
i can configure it globally  AmusedAtItAll | 12/13/04
Nice reply ... you didn't address his issue ...  George Mitchell | 12/13/04
Global Settings  jbencivengo@... | 12/14/04
exactly,  JoeMama_z | 12/14/04
don't throw your admin issue's on me  JoeMama_z | 12/14/04
Explorer set in concrete  ahkjmu@... | 12/13/04
Grow up clown.  George Mitchell | 12/13/04
His problem is that...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/14/04
And the new version of Windows...  The King's Servant | 12/15/04
bahh  Been_Done_Before | 12/14/04
Yeah, like GUI apps and WYSIWYG word processors.  The King's Servant | 12/15/04

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