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Uh Oh, a judge that wants real facts.
Not good for the roach company. (Sharmann)
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Uh Oh, a judge that wants real facts.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
the real facts  JasonL31 | 12/02/04
Exactly..  d_jedi | 12/02/04
See my reply below. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Would it not be simpler  voska | 12/02/04
Even easier  tic swayback | 12/02/04
bitty's use of the word 'fact' is contrary to actual meaning  AmusedAtItAll | 12/03/04
Just out of curiosity, suppose I already own the music...  el1jones | 12/02/04
download is not the problem  JasonL31 | 12/02/04
Sorry, you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
That brings up a question..  Patrick Jones | 12/02/04
I would say no, but hard to tell.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Doesn't make a differnce  voska | 12/02/04
And that was my point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Secondary infringement?  tic swayback | 12/02/04
Secondary infringement  tic swayback | 12/02/04
That was my question tic:  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Open questions  tic swayback | 12/02/04
And I thought only US Courts were unfair  Joe Blow_z | 12/02/04
Huh? Why go through it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
No evidence of that  amicus_curious | 12/02/04
In support of your argument.  Letophoro | 12/02/04
You had to follow the case.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Ahh, but it is legal.  Letophoro | 12/02/04
If I recall  rapson | 12/02/04
But...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
That is true for Canada  amicus_curious | 12/02/04
Not really legal in Canada  voska | 12/02/04
What's legal in Canada?  d_jedi | 12/02/04
While you are right it's not be decided  voska | 12/02/04
Re: voska  d_jedi | 12/02/04
I agree  voska | 12/03/04
You mean download can be illegal  voska | 12/02/04
I am questioning that. See my post below.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
That's why this need to settle in front of judge  voska | 12/02/04
I DID follow the cases  AbsolutelyNot | 12/02/04
Not what has been widely reported in the news.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Downloading is probably illegal  tic swayback | 12/02/04
Charged  AbsolutelyNot | 12/02/04
Afraid not Diva...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
It isn't the same  mds_z | 12/03/04
Not at all  AmusedAtItAll | 12/03/04
Interesting implications  tic swayback | 12/02/04
My understanding is...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Forensics?  tic swayback | 12/02/04
resonable doubt is not a factor in civil cases  voska | 12/02/04
I'm still confused  tic swayback | 12/02/04
Weight of the evidence  amicus_curious | 12/02/04
When I was studying law  voska | 12/03/04
bitty again confuses fact with fluff.  AmusedAtItAll | 12/03/04
okay, let me simplify the idea I'm getting at...  el1jones | 12/02/04
How did you send it to your PC?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Fair use allows this  tic swayback | 12/02/04
Broken Record, Tape, CD  GregSalts | 12/02/04
Not legally...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Sorry, you're wrong  mds_z | 12/03/04
Grey areas  tic swayback | 12/03/04
Try again, bitty  AmusedAtItAll | 12/03/04
Depends on who you ask  tic swayback | 12/02/04
ok - why is the media copany not hiring them then?  JasonL31 | 12/02/04
Legal questions stopping them?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
AHA!  AbsolutelyNot | 12/02/04
Hmmm, possibly...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Like most EULAs seem to subvert existing laws? (NT)  mds_z | 12/03/04
Re: Legal questions stopping them?  none none | 12/02/04
so what your are saying is  JasonL31 | 12/03/04
What needs to be done  Roger Ramjet | 12/02/04
A question about "altered" music and copyright.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
No takers? (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
I'm not going to touch this one...  d_jedi | 12/02/04
A song is a song  Been_Done_Before | 12/02/04
You missed my question,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
No.  amicus_curious | 12/02/04
How do you know what a jury would say?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Infringement is different from theft  tic swayback | 12/02/04
Are you confused?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Ax, You strongly imply theft it by your analogy (NT)  mds_z | 12/03/04
Is this any differnt than an FTP or Web server?  voska | 12/03/04
No Ax--not confused, but looking for clarification  tic swayback | 12/03/04
How is this any differnt than....  voska | 12/03/04
You must be a history major!  amicus_curious | 12/02/04
Well, let's chech your law degree, ok.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Well??? No reply?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Not quite that simple  mds_z | 12/03/04
Stealing or infringing  GregSalts | 12/03/04
that would be a differnt format  JasonL31 | 12/03/04
Alterations  AbsolutelyNot | 12/02/04
Of course it alters the original IP.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Not really  AbsolutelyNot | 12/02/04
Not according to the law.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Um...  AbsolutelyNot | 12/02/04
Talk about obtuse...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
I think what she meant was...  Spoon Jabber | 12/03/04
I understand why the media companies would want to  JasonL31 | 12/03/04
The RIAA says this is illegal  tic swayback | 12/02/04
This another case of differing opinions  voska | 12/02/04
Isn't that about to happen? (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
I hope so but we all know how civil cases go  voska | 12/03/04
Perfectly legal to compress music  GregSalts | 12/02/04
I have a problem with that too  tic swayback | 12/02/04
My problem with the quote  none none | 12/03/04
Ummm, are you distributing it or not.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
that is correct  JasonL31 | 12/03/04
Software installs addressed this  Robert Crocker | 12/02/04
Again, your talking about personal use. Not distribution. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Then get the herring out of your argument  Robert Crocker | 12/03/04
Sorry Robert, there were two specific conditions.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
They're not related conditions  Robert Crocker | 12/03/04
this would not even be a issue  JasonL31 | 12/03/04
Questions for Sharmann....  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
IP violation comes to mind  AbsolutelyNot | 12/02/04
Not according to the testimoney.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
I think you know why. $$$$  voska | 12/02/04
Spot on!!! No it's not for the "users" benefit.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
I can't say I'm blind here  voska | 12/02/04
Copyright infingement ID'ing  Robert Crocker | 12/02/04
I can name that tune in 6 notes!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
It's not a tangent  Robert Crocker | 12/03/04
I?ll take a shot at your questions!  B.O.F.H. | 12/02/04
And both fail the common sense test.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Re: And both fail the common sense test.  none none | 12/02/04
Don't understand what a "tax haven" is?  B.O.F.H. | 12/02/04
Such a nice try...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
My assertions are backed by technical analysis and history!  B.O.F.H. | 12/03/04
wow  JasonL31 | 12/03/04
Re: I?ll take a shot at your questions!  none none | 12/02/04
"they" is 1 woman (and no one else).  B.O.F.H. | 12/02/04
Re: Questions for Sharmann....  none none | 12/02/04
Sherman has no obligation to monitor  Root User | 12/02/04
They may not have to  voska | 12/03/04
Pardon me... That's what this case is all about.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Oh, the irony!  tic swayback | 12/03/04
Re: Oh, the irony!  none none | 12/03/04
Simple answer Tic:  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Guess it depends on whether you like the law, huh?  tic swayback | 12/03/04
OK.... One more time for the cheap seats...  SysAn63 | 12/03/04
Ah, so that's your excuse, the other guy did it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Hi point is largely irrelevant to this discussion  voska | 12/03/04

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