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I recently installed mozilla and firefox and neither display my web email correctly.
I like the idea of security, but I like items to be displayed properly also.
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Good article.  htotten | 11/04/04
No big deal...  Jomo_z | 11/04/04
Yes, John is right here, we need to lose the religion.  DonnieBoy | 11/04/04
Use ActiveX to Log In?  nucrash | 11/05/04
ActiveX  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/05/04
IE and IQ.  Vily Clay | 11/06/04
lots of businesses NEED ActiveX: care to elaborate?  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
What is all the hubbub Bub?  Squawkbox | 11/04/04
But in many cases..  d_jedi | 11/04/04
Dohhhh! I knew that. I need to engage brain before opening mouth.  Squawkbox | 11/04/04
Why? Limits the number of posts.  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
I will take that in advisement (NT)  Squawkbox | 11/04/04
John, I agree with just about everything you have to say..  d_jedi | 11/04/04
Not sure what the point is here  IT_User | 11/04/04
Re:Not sure what the point is here  d_jedi | 11/04/04
not worth the trouble?  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
Not All Web Developers  timoute | 11/04/04
Oh contraire!  htotten | 11/04/04
Financial institutions  webranger47 | 11/04/04
Here, here . . .  Sheeva | 11/05/04
My Banks work fine with FireFox  chemist109 | 11/08/04
Et touche'!  AbsolutelyNot | 11/08/04
I think the # of users is moot  voska | 11/04/04
Barrier of Entry  frgough@... | 11/04/04
O.O.  htotten | 11/04/04
Conclusion, again.  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
I know, I know...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
Writing Style  edufx | 11/04/04
incomplete or improperly-used HTML  greatwhitepine | 11/04/04
Why make web developers jobs harder than needs be?  d_jedi | 11/04/04
Funny!  greatwhitepine | 11/04/04
Its not hard.  vdraken | 11/04/04
The difference is..  d_jedi | 11/04/04
Uh ... No.  coffeenite | 11/04/04
I know what I coded..  d_jedi | 11/04/04
Uh ... No.  coffeenite | 11/04/04
I think you're right..  d_jedi | 11/04/04
I Tried It With IE -- Guess What?  coffeenite | 11/04/04
Interesting..  d_jedi | 11/04/04
Here's What I Believe  coffeenite | 11/04/04
Good point..  d_jedi | 11/04/04
That all depends ...  coffeenite | 11/04/04
Re: that all depends..  d_jedi | 11/04/04
Re: I know what I coded..  MigrateNow | 11/06/04
So?  vdraken | 11/04/04
Re: So?  d_jedi | 11/04/04
Doesnt change anything.  vdraken | 11/04/04
I agree..  d_jedi | 11/04/04
Because....  NarGemini | 11/07/04
How far will you take it?  lengua99 | 11/08/04
Most site authors are not programmers  jrerickson | 11/05/04
HTML is a DTD of SGML  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
Inferrence leads to error  Robert Crocker | 11/04/04
And the...  alanc5 | 11/04/04
Clever?  greatwhitepine | 11/04/04
You're right and you're wrong  seosamh_z | 11/04/04
you're all wrong  Jamik | 11/04/04
What are you talking about  seosamh_z | 11/05/04
I have to agree...  greatwhitepine | 11/05/04
Not sure what the point is here  IT_User | 11/04/04
Responsibility  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
The point is ....  LGLisle | 11/04/04
Flocking  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
its more than html  splinter_z | 11/04/04
Not Caring ... or Not Knowing  ChuTw | 11/04/04
Marketing FireFox  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
That's Why Standards Are Important  coffeenite | 11/04/04
Developers ARE writing to one standard  IT_User | 11/04/04
To a point  seosamh_z | 11/04/04
Huh?  coffeenite | 11/04/04
Explained  seosamh_z | 11/04/04
Maybe they should get off their lazy A$$'s  middle of nowhere | 11/04/04
Clarification needed  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
Clarification  d_jedi | 11/04/04
Do sites find workarounds...  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
In my experience, yes..  d_jedi | 11/04/04
Some Clarification  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
Optimism  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
You are scaring me John!  greatwhitepine | 11/05/04
Standards and alternatives to IE  Anton Philidor | 11/05/04
Standards and extentions  az firebird | 11/05/04
Willfully backward  Anton Philidor | 11/05/04
Wrong.  NarGemini | 11/06/04
John, I really liked your article...  jim_oflaherty_jr | 11/04/04
Hey, Don't you mean 6%... and "IE's not a browser app"...  el1jones | 11/04/04
Margin of error.  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
ms is not concerned  splinter_z | 11/04/04
Hype Machine.  alanc5 | 11/04/04
Why on Earth  Roger Ramjet | 11/04/04
Why Not Use <ocument.All() ? Easy ...  coffeenite | 11/04/04
splinter  splinter_z | 11/04/04
Get used to it  voska | 11/04/04
hmmm  iyerganeshram | 11/04/04
You may not agree with it..  vdraken | 11/04/04
I Agree  coffeenite | 11/04/04
Regarding Sloppy  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
The funny thing is..  Patrick Jones | 11/04/04
Regarding Regading Sloppy  coffeenite | 11/05/04
Sloppy vs Syntax  az firebird | 11/05/04
Sloppy IS bad!  MigrateNow | 11/06/04
You haven't got a glue  Tuntematon | 11/08/04
Prima Donna vs. Pragmatist  jaoifalkjsdao | 11/05/04
html is only part of the story  splinter_z | 11/04/04
Use IE. Be my guest. Don't call me to remove your Spyware...  BitTwiddler | 11/04/04
Agreed My Brother....  itanalyst | 11/04/04
I use IE and NEVER get Spyware  DalyDose | 11/05/04
Tell them to fix it!  MigrateNow | 11/06/04
Standards  openMind | 11/04/04
Re: Standard  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
Ooops...  Fred Fredrickson | 11/04/04
Rejectionist  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
Oh, Anton...  Fred Fredrickson | 11/07/04
Extended  Anton Philidor | 11/08/04
IE's market share...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
How do they know???  DalyDose | 11/05/04
properly layer your software John  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
Some Musings  Roger Ramjet | 11/04/04
Problem using frames?  Robert Crocker | 11/04/04
Re: Frames  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
No  Robert Crocker | 11/05/04
Have you filed a bug report?  rpmyers1 | 11/04/04
Sigh . . .  DJGibbon | 11/04/04
i agree  splinter_z | 11/04/04
height: 100%;  sidesh0w | 11/04/04
Re: Height  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
re: height  eLurker | 11/04/04
site with some examples  eLurker | 11/04/04
that's.........  todbran@... | 11/04/04
Please refer to W3C doc before you comment such things  wolfding | 11/08/04
Re[2]: Height  sidesh0w | 11/08/04
Translations  whisperycat | 11/04/04
While we're discussing web browsers..  d_jedi | 11/04/04
quickly  shadowjk | 11/05/04
Always good for a laugh.......95%?...Sure.....  LazLong | 11/04/04
So, Windows isn't in the 90%'s anymore?  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
So you want proof?  Fred Fredrickson | 11/04/04
Proof???  DalyDose | 11/05/04
I was speaking of OS sales from OEM's  LazLong | 11/05/04
w3c's opinion on your code...  xactoguy | 11/04/04
Yes, but being right does not mean you win.  DonnieBoy | 11/04/04
Yes, but which deviation?  shadowjk | 11/05/04
I think I see your problem?  B.O.F.H. | 11/04/04
I disagree.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 11/08/04
Proprietary vs Open Standards  doc_savage | 11/04/04
Missed the point  seosamh_z | 11/04/04
Make Full Support for Industry Standards a Priority  derek.berube@... | 11/05/04
Functionality vs. security  Michael Kelly | 11/04/04
Scratching head...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
Also scratching head  Michael Kelly | 11/05/04
Reason we are both scratching heads  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/05/04
I understand that  Michael Kelly | 11/05/04
Why can't I ever remember that ZDNet rewrote the rules on html (NT)  Michael Kelly | 11/05/04
apparently not 100% valid html.  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
as a developer, I dont want 10 browsers in the market  davecazz | 11/04/04
Doesn't mean you have to test all 10  John L. Ries | 11/04/04
What??  NarGemini | 11/06/04
To draw reasonable conclussions  michael-t | 11/04/04
Woo hoo.  christophilus | 11/04/04
and a deaf person can read it ok?  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
Yeah, right  yosemite91 | 01/14/07
Portable Firefox...Check It Out!!  itanalyst | 11/04/04
A protable non-standards compliant browser? No thanks.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/04/04
An Overbloated Piece Of Crap That Causes Malicous Harm To My Computer???  itanalyst | 11/04/04
Let me explain it for you then.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/04/04
Let me explain it for you then.  AmusedAtItAll | 11/04/04
Ah, ever the lack of skill...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/04/04
More compliant than IE 6  CobraA1 | 11/04/04
Very interesting posts indeed.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/04/04
I'll Take A Little Incompatibility Anyday  itanalyst | 11/04/04
Ah, unless of course it's MS, then it's WHINE TIME.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/04/04
bitty is correct  AmusedAtItAll | 11/04/04
FF is the best thing for IE users  Richard Flude | 11/04/04
Stop WHINING  JasonL31 | 11/07/04
I can agree with you.  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
Version numbers don't mean a thing  MigrateNow | 11/06/04
from what i can tell  eLurker | 11/04/04
Good standards, bad standards, doesn't really matter.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/04/04
ok, but my point is  eLurker | 11/04/04
I think No_Ax's point is...  Michael Kelly | 11/04/04
i think  eLurker | 11/04/04
No, you seem to be trying to avoid the real issue.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/04/04
No, you seem to be trying to avoid understanding the real issue  hillrunr | 11/04/04
it seems  eLurker | 11/04/04
None so blind...  Fred Fredrickson | 11/05/04
"I am not an HTML guy" giving HTML advice??  CobraA1 | 11/05/04
Amaya compliance...  RDry01 | 11/05/04
I have my doubts about his test page  CobraA1 | 11/05/04
What "Standard"???  DalyDose | 11/05/04
It's all a matter of degree  Fred Fredrickson | 11/04/04
100% valid HTML???  mmings | 11/04/04
Amen To That!  itanalyst | 11/04/04
Couldn't have said it better!  zaine_ridling | 11/04/04
Netscape  gaelicfog@... | 11/04/04
Firefox *is* Netscape  John L. Ries | 11/04/04
Firefox, bah humbug  cryan@... | 11/04/04
Sounds like a settings issue  AbsolutelyNot | 11/08/04
w3c....  jrtotten | 11/04/04
It's just bad  dolph0291 | 11/04/04
Browser  betelgeux | 11/04/04
Then use an add-in that gives you tabbed browsing.  Anton Philidor | 11/05/04
I quess Linux users need to install IE then , HUH!  mpjbo | 11/04/04
Fine...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
Re: Fine  John L. Ries | 11/04/04
The mythical 95% rule...  Fred Fredrickson | 11/04/04
Pick your source of stats.  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
Credibility is the issue  Fred Fredrickson | 11/05/04
AOL uses IE only  Anton Philidor | 11/05/04
Stats are misleading  IT Scion | 11/08/04
IE's market share...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
Once again very funny...  LazLong | 11/05/04
Choose your poison  Fred Fredrickson | 11/05/04
bah humbug to IE crap!  johnlb2002 | 11/04/04
CSS vs table + try these links  ivanii | 11/04/04
Works fine in Safari  middle of nowhere | 11/04/04
Of course, but not in IE  ivanii | 11/04/04
I don't agree  todbran@... | 11/04/04
Agree and Disagree  DalyDose | 11/05/04
Simple economics  middle of nowhere | 11/04/04
Not so simple...  DalyDose | 11/05/04
MS IE like SUV  TrustMe_z | 11/04/04
Why not Maxthon?  Mozzi Carl04 | 11/04/04
Maxthon is IE.  Anton Philidor | 11/04/04
Convinced me  rthn | 11/04/04
Firefox  littlebrochureco@... | 11/04/04
Problem with viewing bah humbug  euro_z | 11/04/04
Sorry fixed problem for you  euro_z | 11/04/04
CSS  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
dive in and fix it, quit complaining  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
Let me get this straight...  Brian@... | 11/04/04
Hype and Open Source Shouldn't Mix  jfsayre@... | 11/04/04
What a laugh  Richard Flude | 11/04/04
Re:  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
Re: Re:  Richard Flude | 11/04/04
HTML  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/04/04
It's the attitutude!  BMoon | 11/05/04
You say attitude, I say I'm right  Richard Flude | 11/06/04
Now HTML is elevated to a desktop application development language  Richard Flude | 11/06/04
And what's with this  Richard Flude | 11/06/04
in my opinion jc is fragged by richard  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
95% ?  BMoon | 11/07/04
Whilst you're not legally required to write for the chinese  Richard Flude | 11/07/04
Learn to code!  Sanguinemoon | 11/04/04
so mozilla.org cant code?  jimk_z | 11/04/04
oops  jimk_z | 11/04/04
I know how you feel  Richard Flude | 11/04/04
Another add-on.  Anton Philidor | 11/05/04
Your implication is wrong  wresnick | 11/05/04
Easy fix  wresnick | 11/05/04
so mozilla.org cant code?  pjones | 11/05/04
Good article...GOOD POINTS  jimk_z | 11/04/04
huh?  CobraA1 | 11/05/04
Firefox isn't Netscape  MigrateNow | 11/06/04
Well, rather, Netscape is Mozilla, then  ischorr | 11/06/04
I just hate it when people say they found probems but can't list one  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
eh  CobraA1 | 11/05/04
Bah-humbug page isn't compliant  CobraA1 | 11/05/04
Wish I could edit posts  CobraA1 | 11/05/04
More than technology  Falconer_z | 11/05/04
tha testpage  M.Fridholm | 11/05/04
Yes/No/Cancel dialogs  cliffmcc_z | 11/05/04
Spin  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/05/04
Laughable  DJGibbon | 11/14/04
I love FF!!!  adkmom | 11/05/04
It's still a Preview Release  bruzr | 11/05/04
Bah, Humbug test link.  bigcheese48 | 11/05/04
Re: Bah, Humbug test link.  MigrateNow | 11/06/04
Opera & Netscape?  rwire@... | 11/05/04
FireFox---- WHY?  Golfer_z | 11/05/04
Yes, why?  ischorr | 11/06/04
Firefox, Opera, IE  jtimouri | 11/05/04
not W3C valid  Pearly37 | 11/05/04
Again...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/05/04
no it isn't, check with the the validator  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
Good Article...I agree  pmcm | 11/05/04
care to point to the pages  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
What about Mozilla?  bj70117@... | 11/05/04
Nice article with many good points!  jrr@... | 11/05/04
Firefox  gmunn4283@... | 11/05/04
Re: Firefox  MigrateNow | 11/06/04
Compatible Replacement  esblake | 11/05/04
Good and close but . . .  sher1 | 11/05/04
Firefox Not My Bad  denkidr | 11/05/04
"Embrace and Extend"  howcheng | 11/05/04
Check Netscape 7.02  morgan@... | 11/05/04
Well put.  bertb | 11/05/04
Final conclusion on "bah-humbug" "test" page  CobraA1 | 11/05/04
wont work  eLurker | 11/05/04
Who's In Charge?  ambrose | 11/05/04
What I like about Firefox  chasmagc@... | 11/05/04
Harsh, but true  joemacd | 11/05/04
Harsh, and false.  wresnick | 11/05/04
I see where you're coming from, but...  M.Fridholm | 11/05/04
FF has more issues than that but....  IT Scion | 11/05/04
Even so...  lauszy@... | 11/05/04
why write it down?  amccoy@... | 11/05/04
long memories...  john.gruber@... | 11/05/04
CSS Trick (yours?)  skeeter_z | 11/05/04
no  eLurker | 11/05/04
FireFox Bah Humbug  pjones | 11/05/04
Fire Fix...  esblake | 11/05/04
bah?  sapper_z | 11/05/04
Remember IE once forced changes on us ...  VSexton | 11/05/04
if yr "an old HTML hand-coder" ...  edgarde_z | 11/05/04
You complain about standards...  buran | 11/05/04
What If you coded correctly for Moz/FF would it not work in IE also..?  LazLong | 11/05/04
possibly not  eLurker | 11/05/04
Way off regarding firefox  pearsonz | 11/05/04
Standard  Update victim | 11/05/04
Re:  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/05/04
"Standardization around one product is natural in software"  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
MS standards vs. W3C standards  AbsolutelyNot | 11/08/04
Firefox  Donn_z | 11/05/04
When MS offers IE for Linux, at no charge...  Rick S._z | 11/05/04
Your problem is Bugzilla # 235558  Rick S._z | 11/05/04
A web dominated by Microsoft is not a good thing!  dezydery | 11/06/04
Re:  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/06/04
save money?  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
As noted...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/07/04
yes, but  eLurker | 11/07/04
Re:  pasta_z | 11/07/04
Re: Re:  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/07/04
Firefox  zubenal@... | 11/06/04
What's standard  B. Dube | 11/06/04
You seem not to understand ...  zapyon | 11/06/04
Understanding  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/06/04
in that case there would be no html  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
You misunderstand  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/07/04
re:  eLurker | 11/07/04
Come on Carroll  Tim Patterson | 11/06/04
Small detail ommission  wanderson | 11/06/04
JC  meetwo | 11/06/04
IE support  JDThompson | 11/06/04
Re: IE Support  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/06/04
bent over BACKWARDS to ensure old apps worked under Windows XP  hipparchus2000 | 11/06/04
Re: bent  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/07/04
Mac World and Win32API  hipparchus2000 | 11/07/04
Breaking Millions of Web Sites  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 11/08/04
I agree  deadpan227 | 11/10/04
Explorer. bah humbug  laerien | 11/06/04
What version of IE?  adodo | 11/06/04
Mac IE  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/06/04
Listen to yourself  Richard Flude | 11/06/04
Mac IE...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/07/04
So to recap  Richard Flude | 11/08/04
John, just a point on the time is money thing  brand police | 11/15/04
If you don't know any Mac users who use IE...  escoles@... | 11/10/04
The point being...  bsmojver | 11/06/04
idiot  dantrevino | 11/06/04
I'm sorry...but I must say.  thecompanyblue | 11/07/04
re : Firefox, bah humbug  JasonL31 | 11/07/04
Admit it John, you're an MS fan boy  betelgeuse68 | 11/07/04
Implemented features in IE  pasta_z | 11/07/04
Spyware/Adware threats are the fault of the USER  politik | 11/07/04
No, it's not.  escoles@... | 11/10/04
Wrong  gk_ | 11/07/04
Business perspective  WhoIsDaMan | 11/07/04
Re: Business  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/07/04
He said "10% or more"!  CobraA1 | 11/07/04
well...  M.Fridholm | 11/08/04
Another Weakness of Firefox  p.crawford@... | 11/07/04
XP takes most of that space  CobraA1 | 11/07/04
Cobra has it right but it's worse than that  M.Fridholm | 11/08/04
I'm confused.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 11/08/04
That's funny!  dingletec_z | 12/25/04
Another tub-thumping rally cry for MS hegemony  whisperycat | 11/08/04
Running a business with web applications  g2shops | 11/08/04
You've been mislead  CobraA1 | 11/08/04
Wait a minute.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 11/08/04
The Check Test  imforumman | 11/08/04
Re: Check  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/09/04
Sorry John...  dingletec_z | 12/25/04
TCP/IP  Brent R Brian | 11/08/04
It's about the consequences  tomike@... | 11/08/04
Frothing Rage?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 11/08/04
Re:  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 11/09/04
Open Standards & KHTML v. Gecko v. Opera  escoles@... | 11/10/04
Point Missed by Many  Deacon336 | 11/08/04
Point understood, just laughed at  Richard Flude | 11/08/04
Conforming to non-standards  ruskyz@... | 11/08/04
A couple of comments  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 11/08/04
You're being overselective: IE creates problems too...  leechman | 11/08/04
If you'd just use an iframe, it would work everywhere.  escoles@... | 11/10/04
Firefox, No Problems  MrSteveO | 11/10/04
Firefox bah humbug  lazyj1@... | 11/10/04
Firefox bah humbug  lazyj1@... | 11/10/04
Firefox vs. I.E.  edmatarrese@... | 11/11/04
I hate to break the bad news  M.Fridholm | 11/12/04
Finally, an actual review  dman65 | 11/12/04
Hmmm  M.Fridholm | 11/12/04
Not a review really  M.Fridholm | 11/12/04
Darn  M.Fridholm | 11/12/04
rubbish  57js | 11/14/04
security security security  anujit | 11/14/04
security security security  anujit | 11/14/04
Been using it for about a year...  2cooldad | 11/19/04
Why Firefox?  vince7 | 11/19/04
Not really, but...  M.Fridholm | 11/20/04
This article loses all credibility  thxmadness@... | 11/21/04
You still don't get it.  george_ou | 11/26/04
No it is you who miss the point  M.Fridholm | 11/28/04
But IE prints many webpages wrongly  Wm. Brown | 11/29/04
tables are dead  fryweed | 12/09/04
IE,Firefox etc.  Psyber | 12/13/04
A Better Firefox Fix?  tpavlic_z | 12/20/04
IE sets the standard  dingletec_z | 12/25/04
Safari  kyussmondo | 03/28/07

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