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ISPs owe nothing to artists or this McGuiness clown. If anything, it should go the other way, because U2 and other artists have profited greatly by the infrastructure ISPs provide (just consider all those Amazon, and iTunes, sales). And U2 and other artists have had to pay zero dollars for that free distribution channel, yet have profited greatly.

Also, there is nothing to gain for ISPs to be the police for the artists/record company's intellectual property, and there is everything to lose (pissing off honest, paying customers). McGuiness wants ISPs to do their own dirty work. This is nonsense.

Other things to consider - McGuiness stated that Bit torrent and Limewire were illegal. This is completely false. Both are completely legal. Bit torrent is an open protocol for transferring files, and sharing seeds, and is not illegal. Limewire is a Gnutella client. Gnutella is not illegal, and Limewire has been sued by the RIAA, but the lawsuits have failed (so far). Thus, Limewire's legality, and by extension, the gnutella protocol/network, has been held up in a court of law. Both Bit torrent and Gnutella are used, in practice, for perfectly legitimate, legal purposes, and many people and businesses depend on them. The fact that some people might use those protocols for the illegal transfer of intellectual property does not make the protocols themselves illegal. That would be like making roads illegal because some people exceed the speed limit.

Thus, Paul McGuiness is a big fat liar.

I'm all for respecting intellectual property, and persecuting those who steal other's intellectual property.

However, demonizing your customers, and demonizing the infrastructure that provides a very efficient and cost effective distribution channel, and whining that your huge mountain of cash isn't big enough, and blatantly ignoring what customers want (easy access to content at a fair price), is an absolutely horrible business model.

And downloading songs for free is in most cases illegal. But if I'm a musical artists, I wouldn't worry about it. The illegal downloads end up being tremendous free marketing, and often lead to more sales in the long run.

People, even though they can get something for free, like to purchase things, and own a physical copy of a CD. This is especially true of the biggest of music fans, who happen to be both the biggest purchasers of CDs, as well as the biggest illegal down-loaders. So the music industry cracking down on them, which they have every legal right to do so, is also cracking down on their biggest revenue stream.

The music industry doesn't see this, though. Thus, they keep trying harder and harder to crack down on illegal downloads, while at the same time their own sales plummet. There is a direct correlation, but the recording industry, and obviously this McGuiness clown, are too stupid to realize this.

Walmart experienced a sales dip when they started checking people's receipts at the exit door of their stores. They soon stopped this policy, and their sales went back up again. Moral of the story: Don't treat your paying customers like criminals.

It seems like McGuiness is trying to send U2 down the Metallica path. Look at what happened to Metallica when they sued Napster - they went from being one of the most beloved rock bands to being the most reviled.

Another point: The old model of the big four record companies controlling everything, and their ridiculous contracts with artists, where artists get a tiny percentage of sales revenue, and customers are overcharged, and retailers have to operate on razor thin margins, and the record companies get the most money, is dead.

With the internet and inexpensive software (like Apple's "Garage Band"), anybody can make a recording now on the cheap, and get it heard and distributed via the internet. We, artists and consumers alike, no longer need the big record companies. They serve no purpose, and they are bigs at the trough who have a huge sense of entitlement. The sooner they are dead, the better, for everyone.
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Like blaming the government because ...  kd5auq | 01/29/08
Missed a word ...  kd5auq | 01/29/08
Normal behavior  cmdrrickhunter@... | 01/29/08
minor detail quibble  CobraA1 | 01/29/08
What ISP would block encryption?  voska1 | 01/30/08
Hey, he is right.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
He sure is.  CobraA1 | 01/29/08
Context has relevance too.  HypnoToad72 | 01/29/08
They were the ones that broke the social contract  terry flores | 01/29/08
He is wrong  Michael Kelly | 01/30/08
No he's not right  voska1 | 01/30/08
More details as Zdnet missed a few  voska1 | 01/30/08
U2 should pay too then  Joe_Racer | 01/30/08
Wow  tikigawd | 02/04/08
Leaches suck blood  Joe_Racer | 01/30/08
Leach?  The Ash Man | 01/30/08
he's not right  super_J | 01/30/08
So  Patrick Jones | 01/30/08
yup  super_J | 01/30/08
Yes, he is exactly right.  The Ash Man | 01/30/08
yeah and how long have you been working for the RIAA?  jmelnik | 01/30/08
If that's the case then block HTTP and FTP too  voska1 | 01/31/08
I'll bite..  Patrick Jones | 01/31/08
Sell the CDs for less; $17 for a 12 song disc is a steal too.  HypnoToad72 | 01/29/08
and what about going back and using a reasonable copyright time frame? (nt)  jmelnik | 01/30/08
copyright timeframes  dariced@... | 01/30/08
RE: U2 manager takes Internet providers to task  jwjmaster | 01/29/08
"Their snouts have been at our trough for too long"??? LMAO!!!  James T. Kirk | 01/29/08
Infringing someones copyright is NOT stealing it.  hkommedal | 01/29/08
It's also an insult to copyright holders  voska1 | 01/30/08
Re: It's also an insult to copyright holders  none none | 01/30/08
Infringing and illegality  dariced@... | 01/30/08
RE: U2 manager takes Internet providers to task  nintendoeats | 01/30/08
Idiots  Tim Patterson | 01/30/08
My, look at all the EXCUSES.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/30/08
yes and even more  Quebec-french | 01/30/08
No way to stop piracy  voska1 | 01/30/08
Ah I see, the "other guys do it" ....  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/30/08
haaa man wake up  Quebec-french | 01/30/08
Every CROOK has an excuse. You seem to have many.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/30/08
Excuse or not it still occurs  voska1 | 01/30/08
Re: ExcuseExcuse or not it still occurs or not it still occurs  none none | 01/30/08
Cheer up. Not all your readers are are dense.  none none | 01/30/08
who's making excuses  super_J | 01/30/08
Look at all the fragile media they've sold...  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 01/30/08
U2 should go on strike!  Jeffroooooo | 01/30/08
great point, and hilarious  super_J | 01/30/08
It's confirmed  shoktai@... | 01/30/08
Until illegal downloading is stamped out  Boot_Agnostic | 01/30/08
Flawed logic  not4you@... | 01/30/08
Purchase our music, give us your technology? Idiot  GuidingLight | 01/30/08
Ah, you mean extorsion payments.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/30/08
Why not?  Patrick Jones | 01/30/08
I don't think the music industry get it  voska1 | 01/30/08
charge everyone a tax for illegal downloading and...  jmelnik | 01/30/08
So charge EVERYONE for music downloads  tikigawd | 02/04/08
get a grip on reality.  super_J | 01/30/08
Re: Ah, you mean extorsion payments.  none none | 01/30/08
RE: U2 manager takes Internet providers to task  jsth | 01/30/08
according to this rube's logic the answer is yes  jmelnik | 01/30/08
Identity theft and ISP responsibility  dariced@... | 01/30/08
Try to enforce it!  zmud | 01/30/08
If ISP's enforced legal behavior, there would almost be no spam, viri..  phake | 01/30/08
and the "high speed information highway" would come to a screetching halt..  jmelnik | 01/30/08
Reel-to-reel, 8-track, casette, Beta, VHS..  conchchowder | 01/30/08
No Such Thing As Piracy  TheGooch1 | 01/30/08
RE: No Such Thing As Piracy  The Ash Man | 01/30/08
Re: RE: No Such Thing As Piracy  none none | 01/30/08
Wrong x2  TheGooch1 | 01/31/08
Re: No Such Thing As Piracy  none none | 01/30/08
It is a big deal  voska1 | 01/31/08
*Sigh*  Average-IT-Guy | 01/31/08
Actually studies and musicians disagree  voska1 | 01/31/08
Actually what are you on about??  Average-IT-Guy | 01/31/08
touring profitability  super_J | 01/31/08
Touring if you are NOT a massive band....  Average-IT-Guy | 02/01/08
Adapting to Change  TheGooch1 | 02/05/08
RE: U2 manager takes Internet providers to task  mabe3 | 01/30/08
what an ignorant and clueless rube... and I USED to like U2  jmelnik | 01/30/08
RE: U2 manager takes Internet providers to task  bigpicture | 01/30/08
you kids forget  cwhull | 01/30/08
RE: U2 manager takes Internet providers to task  Techknowledgie | 01/30/08
"Radiohead bypasses the suits"  Average-IT-Guy | 01/31/08
Actually the Radio Head CD hit #1 first day  voska1 | 01/31/08
On The Mark Except You Left Out a Group  TheGooch1 | 01/31/08
But it's a growing trend, even for non-established artists  super_J | 01/31/08
Major labels, yes.....  Average-IT-Guy | 02/01/08
What a vile socialist [nt]  Omch'Ar | 01/30/08
LOL  John Musbach | 01/30/08
Yeah, This will work  dariced@... | 01/30/08
$17 I wish  alec.wood@... | 01/31/08
Wrong comparisons  jim@... | 01/31/08
Wrong Example  GM Fedorchuk | 01/31/08
Heads Up Their Assets  TechinMN | 01/31/08
RE: U2 manager takes Internet providers to task  franz.weismann@... | 02/13/08

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