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Hey M@R@N !!!
it's not a crime until there's proof.. Until then its merely accusation's.

If the IP holder wants a suspected criminal prosecuted then they should have do what the rest of the civilized world has to do and that's file a complaint with the local authority's! Then let the proper authority's investigate and prosecute the crime... Vigilantism was outlawed a long time ago, but as I see it the music, movie and software industry wants to bring it back.

What's happening is the Music, Movie and software industry wants special rights. They want to act like vigilantes, They want to run around like bad ass cop's kicking in doors, breaking into computers and most absurdly of all they want to force independent company's to turn over the personal records of customers who they merely THINK !!!!!! could be, maybe, might possibly be stealing!!!!!

Allowing such absurdity would be like talking a giant step backwards in evolution of a civilized society. It would be like going back to the wild west and allowing just anyone the right to kick in a neighbors door so they could rummage through all their personal belongings while holding them at gun point simply because they think they might have possibly or could have possibly maybe stolen from them. Could you imagine 100 of millions of people kicking in neighbors doors searching for stolen property, I can't


So why are some people suggesting that its acceptable to give a private company special vigilante rights that in any other context would be a criminal violations of a persons civil rights simply because that company thinks that someone might be, could be, or could have possibly maybe stolen something?

Like I said the music, movie and software industry wants special rights to act like the Gestapo and use any method possible to violate the rights of anyone who they merely THINK might have possibly violated their IP.

Not only that, but now the music, movie and software industry is demanding that a totally independent company be forced into contributing to this absurdity by violating their customers TRUST by turning over personal information that includes information that could be used in identity theft , and get this NOT to a government investigator investigating a crime but to a private company's investigators and attorneys!!!!!!! And all because they think that maybe possibly one of that company's customers might be stealing intangible ideas and IP from them.

Yeah and this sounds like a good idea to who ??
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What the ???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
EU is right  Linux Geek | 01/29/08
Nice dodge on what I said.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
I'd expect a criminal...  BFD | 01/29/08
Your misunderstanding  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
I agree, and I think no_ax has dodged  Mahegan | 01/30/08
Are you all kidding or what?  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
Wrongful death by MP3?  tikigawd | 01/30/08
The fact that you don't seem to understand the difference...  kingmph@... | 01/30/08
The Point is . . .  JLHenry | 01/31/08
Hey M@R@N !!!  blaze1024 | 01/31/08
Good point.  Mephysto | 01/31/08
The Consitution does NOT guarantee "privacy"  NeverLift | 01/30/08
wrong  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
You can't really be this stupid, can you?  B.O.F.H. | 01/29/08
You did read the article right?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
You should learn the difference between civil and criminal law!  B.O.F.H. | 01/29/08
Reading is fundemental...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
LOL... so is spelling, dude.  James T. Kirk | 01/29/08
You sound like a Ron Paul backer  jrbeaman | 01/30/08
he said "wrongful death"  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
No, it doesn't.  JLHenry | 01/31/08
Sadly...  IT_Guy_z | 01/29/08
When you have nothing to say, make insults  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
He is related to you?  B.O.F.H. | 01/29/08
Irony lives on  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
Some important reading for you. No Axe  ben.rattigan | 01/31/08
NoAxe won't read  nizuse | 02/01/08
Hear, hear! (NT)  WiredGuy | 01/31/08
Well, no...  James T. Kirk | 01/29/08
Good point  voska1 | 01/29/08
A civil case is a civil case???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
Wow  BlackDiamond | 01/30/08
Wow!  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
Consider the EFFECT OF THE WIDER PRECEDENT!  kingmph@... | 01/30/08
Wow II  BlackDiamond | 01/31/08
Wronful death is. . . .  JLHenry | 01/31/08
You really don't have a clue  ben.rattigan | 01/31/08
Eu as very right to make law and apply then as they see fit  Quebec-french | 01/29/08
Obviously true, situational application of "law"  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
wrong!  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
Hey no axe its not because other see things differently  Quebec-french | 01/29/08
Au cours de ces discussions  Mahegan | 01/30/08
"EU sovereignty"?  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
What do you EXPECT from a willfully stupid Bushl Nazi MSFT Bigot like No_A  drprod@... | 01/30/08
Wait.. huh?  tikigawd | 01/30/08
Re: What the ???  none none | 01/29/08
big leap  egilbert@... | 01/30/08
[scarcasm]The EU is great[/scarcasm]  LeeC | 01/30/08
UK case  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
Daily Mail?  ben.rattigan | 01/31/08
Make us all think in metric  a_wellstead@... | 01/31/08
Nothing  ben.rattigan | 01/31/08
Spoken like  n00b-herder | 01/30/08
I'll Reply  ben.rattigan | 01/31/08
No need to worry Axe  nizuse | 02/01/08
Rights of the individual  roberto_maietta@... | 01/29/08
This should be apply worldwide  Mectron | 01/29/08
Americans are going to learn to serve Europeans and other foreigners ...  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
A bit pessimist here  Quebec-french | 01/29/08
The Dollar is the key to much of America's dominance in the world ...  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
I'm just curious  Shelendrea | 01/29/08
I live in the USA ...  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
hmmm  Shelendrea | 01/29/08
I don't disagree with you on that at all ...  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
Exactly so  Mahegan | 01/30/08
Some confusion about national debts  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
Other than another 5 paragraph dissertation...  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
I agree  Mahegan | 01/30/08
what are you telling us?  Linux Geek | 01/29/08
Because they are elected  Linux User 147560 | 01/30/08
You seem thrilled by that...  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 01/31/08
In other words . . .  JLHenry | 01/31/08
Don't bet on that . . .  JLHenry | 01/31/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 02/01/08
Look. The Stephen King of economics  GuidingLight | 01/29/08
So what part is fiction?  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
In a democracy  Mahegan | 01/30/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 01/31/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 01/31/08
No fiction there, I'm afraid. Year after year with a new  hkommedal | 01/29/08
the worst part is  Quebec-french | 01/30/08
We are in a world economy now  jrbeaman | 01/30/08
We are in a tied world  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
Which is a GOOD thing . . .  JLHenry | 01/31/08
Close, but you forget...  jrbeaman | 01/30/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 01/30/08
I agree  Mahegan | 01/30/08
Interesting  Shelendrea | 01/29/08
Re: Interesting  none none | 01/29/08
Murder and File sharing are two different things  Shelendrea | 01/29/08
Lets think this through ...  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
And why does that make any sense?  lneves | 01/31/08
Yes. MUCH less burden of proof in a civil case.  hkommedal | 01/29/08
You are right  legalista | 01/30/08
You and I  djchandler | 01/30/08
Most music is owned by foreign companies  terry flores | 01/29/08
This is about more than just music ...  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
IP Doesn't Exist  TheGooch1 | 01/30/08
Guess U2 will have to file criminal charges  Boot_Agnostic | 01/30/08
Yup.  jrbeaman | 01/30/08
So ... as a songwriter  david@... | 01/30/08
Maybe songwriters  Mahegan | 01/30/08
Really?  LeeC | 01/30/08
As an employee, my IP  Mahegan | 01/30/08
RE: EU court: File sharers don't have to be named  Dr.C | 01/30/08
Unfortunately, that isn't what happens  NeverLift | 01/30/08
Civil vs Criminal.....about time...  bluegil | 01/30/08
Too bad we can sign up with an ISP "located" in the EU.  NeverLift | 01/30/08
Typo: Read "can't sign up", not "can"  NeverLift | 01/30/08
A typo, really?  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
Ahah! Now it makes sense  legalista | 01/30/08
It is a mixture of civil and criminal law in Australia  Mahegan | 01/30/08
infringement is not an intrusion  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
very true  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
The laws need an overhaul  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
listen to yourself....  sjaaxken | 01/31/08
Actually,  legalista | 01/30/08
RIAA wants free legals  Mahegan | 01/30/08
Oh wow...  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
Wrongful death  Mahegan | 01/30/08
What EU says is  Thore | 01/30/08
RE: EU court: File sharers don't have to be named  djchandler | 01/30/08
RE: EU court: File sharers don't have to be named  djchandler | 01/30/08
Sorry!  djchandler | 01/30/08
3 cheers for the EU  billjacobus1 | 01/30/08
The problem is the music industry and  Boot_Agnostic | 01/31/08
It's about dam time  blaze1024 | 01/31/08
Good point.  Mephysto | 01/31/08
We'll never know who wrote the software  BALTHOR | 01/31/08

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