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You should learn the difference between civil and criminal law!
The argument is that they don't have to (Telefonica in this case) only had to provide subscriber information is criminal actions were the issue, this is civil law.

The European Court of Justice ruled on a dispute between Spanish music rights holders association Promusicae and Spain's top telecommunications operator, Telefonica.

Telefonica argued that, under a national law based on EU rules, it had to disclose the name of an Internet subscriber only for criminal actions, not civil ones.

This is civil law (Copywrite infringement) and you are confusing it with criminal (murder, bodily harm, etc.). Even in the United States of America there is a distinction between criminal and civil law. Look it up!
Posted by: B.O.F.H.   Posted on: 01/29/08 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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What the ???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
EU is right  Linux Geek | 01/29/08
Nice dodge on what I said.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
I'd expect a criminal...  BFD | 01/29/08
Your misunderstanding  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
I agree, and I think no_ax has dodged  Mahegan | 01/30/08
Are you all kidding or what?  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
Wrongful death by MP3?  tikigawd | 01/30/08
The fact that you don't seem to understand the difference...  kingmph@... | 01/30/08
The Point is . . .  JLHenry | 01/31/08
Hey M@R@N !!!  blaze1024 | 01/31/08
Good point.  Mephysto | 01/31/08
The Consitution does NOT guarantee "privacy"  NeverLift | 01/30/08
wrong  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
You can't really be this stupid, can you?  B.O.F.H. | 01/29/08
You did read the article right?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
You should learn the difference between civil and criminal law!  B.O.F.H. | 01/29/08
Reading is fundemental...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
LOL... so is spelling, dude.  James T. Kirk | 01/29/08
You sound like a Ron Paul backer  jrbeaman | 01/30/08
he said "wrongful death"  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
No, it doesn't.  JLHenry | 01/31/08
Sadly...  IT_Guy_z | 01/29/08
When you have nothing to say, make insults  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
He is related to you?  B.O.F.H. | 01/29/08
Irony lives on  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
Some important reading for you. No Axe  ben.rattigan | 01/31/08
NoAxe won't read  nizuse | 02/01/08
Hear, hear! (NT)  WiredGuy | 01/31/08
Well, no...  James T. Kirk | 01/29/08
Good point  voska1 | 01/29/08
A civil case is a civil case???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
Wow  BlackDiamond | 01/30/08
Wow!  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
Consider the EFFECT OF THE WIDER PRECEDENT!  kingmph@... | 01/30/08
Wow II  BlackDiamond | 01/31/08
Wronful death is. . . .  JLHenry | 01/31/08
You really don't have a clue  ben.rattigan | 01/31/08
Eu as very right to make law and apply then as they see fit  Quebec-french | 01/29/08
Obviously true, situational application of "law"  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
wrong!  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
Hey no axe its not because other see things differently  Quebec-french | 01/29/08
Au cours de ces discussions  Mahegan | 01/30/08
"EU sovereignty"?  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
What do you EXPECT from a willfully stupid Bushl Nazi MSFT Bigot like No_A  drprodny | 01/30/08
Wait.. huh?  tikigawd | 01/30/08
Re: What the ???  none none | 01/29/08
big leap  egilbert@... | 01/30/08
[scarcasm]The EU is great[/scarcasm]  LeeC | 01/30/08
UK case  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
Daily Mail?  ben.rattigan | 01/31/08
Make us all think in metric  a_wellstead@... | 01/31/08
Nothing  ben.rattigan | 01/31/08
Spoken like  n00b-herder | 01/30/08
I'll Reply  ben.rattigan | 01/31/08
No need to worry Axe  nizuse | 02/01/08
Rights of the individual  roberto_maietta@... | 01/29/08
This should be apply worldwide  Mectron | 01/29/08
Americans are going to learn to serve Europeans and other foreigners ...  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
A bit pessimist here  Quebec-french | 01/29/08
The Dollar is the key to much of America's dominance in the world ...  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
I'm just curious  Shelendrea | 01/29/08
I live in the USA ...  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
hmmm  Shelendrea | 01/29/08
I don't disagree with you on that at all ...  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
Exactly so  Mahegan | 01/30/08
Some confusion about national debts  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
Other than another 5 paragraph dissertation...  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
I agree  Mahegan | 01/30/08
what are you telling us?  Linux Geek | 01/29/08
Because they are elected  Linux User 147560 | 01/30/08
You seem thrilled by that...  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 01/31/08
In other words . . .  JLHenry | 01/31/08
Don't bet on that . . .  JLHenry | 01/31/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 02/01/08
Look. The Stephen King of economics  GuidingLight | 01/29/08
So what part is fiction?  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
In a democracy  Mahegan | 01/30/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 01/31/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 01/31/08
No fiction there, I'm afraid. Year after year with a new  hkommedal | 01/29/08
the worst part is  Quebec-french | 01/30/08
We are in a world economy now  jrbeaman | 01/30/08
We are in a tied world  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
Which is a GOOD thing . . .  JLHenry | 01/31/08
Close, but you forget...  jrbeaman | 01/30/08
...  Linux User 147560 | 01/30/08
I agree  Mahegan | 01/30/08
Interesting  Shelendrea | 01/29/08
Re: Interesting  none none | 01/29/08
Murder and File sharing are two different things  Shelendrea | 01/29/08
Lets think this through ...  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
And why does that make any sense?  lneves | 01/31/08
Yes. MUCH less burden of proof in a civil case.  hkommedal | 01/29/08
You are right  legalista | 01/30/08
You and I  djchandler | 01/30/08
Most music is owned by foreign companies  terry flores | 01/29/08
This is about more than just music ...  George Mitchell | 01/29/08
IP Doesn't Exist  TheGooch1 | 01/30/08
Guess U2 will have to file criminal charges  Boot_Agnostic | 01/30/08
Yup.  jrbeaman | 01/30/08
So ... as a songwriter  david@... | 01/30/08
Maybe songwriters  Mahegan | 01/30/08
Really?  LeeC | 01/30/08
As an employee, my IP  Mahegan | 01/30/08
RE: EU court: File sharers don't have to be named  Dr.C | 01/30/08
Unfortunately, that isn't what happens  NeverLift | 01/30/08
Civil vs Criminal.....about time...  bluegil | 01/30/08
Too bad we can sign up with an ISP "located" in the EU.  NeverLift | 01/30/08
Typo: Read "can't sign up", not "can"  NeverLift | 01/30/08
A typo, really?  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
Ahah! Now it makes sense  legalista | 01/30/08
It is a mixture of civil and criminal law in Australia  Mahegan | 01/30/08
infringement is not an intrusion  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
very true  PhilippeV | 01/30/08
The laws need an overhaul  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
listen to yourself....  sjaaxken | 01/31/08
Actually,  legalista | 01/30/08
RIAA wants free legals  Mahegan | 01/30/08
Oh wow...  mlambert890@... | 01/30/08
Wrongful death  Mahegan | 01/30/08
What EU says is  Thore | 01/30/08
RE: EU court: File sharers don't have to be named  djchandler | 01/30/08
RE: EU court: File sharers don't have to be named  djchandler | 01/30/08
Sorry!  djchandler | 01/30/08
3 cheers for the EU  billjacobus1 | 01/30/08
The problem is the music industry and  Boot_Agnostic | 01/31/08
It's about dam time  blaze1024 | 01/31/08
Good point.  Mephysto | 01/31/08
We'll never know who wrote the software  BALTHOR | 01/31/08

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