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I just don't know myself....
History is ripe with man's inhumanity to man and terrible deed
done for the "Greater good"

A Nazi leader is quoted as saying "It does not matter if you hae a
democracy just tell the people they are under attack and they
are yours"

The Nazi's faked a Polish attack to jusitfy to her people the
invasion of Poland.... this is reality.

I understand you lost people on 9/11 but what does that mean?
That you feel very strongly about that...sure I understand. The
government talked to you? OK but again what does that mean?
That A: The goverment had nothing to do with 9/11 (which I
sincerely hope) or B: Not all the government in fact most of the
government did not hae anything to do with 9/11 the right hand
not knowing what the left hand is doing?

I simply do not know. Is it possible.....based on history I'd say
yup. Is it probable.....nope. Is it impossible? I'm afraind it is not
impossible. It would be increadibly difficult and demonstrate a
level of competancy that I don't think this government has
demonstrated, but not impossible.

Pagan jim
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Your a retard  csa0307 | 05/16/06
Retard?  dmcewan@... | 05/17/06
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Your a retard  bushwalka | 01/10/07
Snooping  James B | 05/16/06
they have probable cause  Linux Geek | 05/16/06
Gee  Linux User 147560 | 05/16/06
Too late...  Linux User 147560 | 05/16/06
We obviously already know what the answer is..  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
hmmmm  maldain | 05/17/06
Want to get rid of our police state?  afried@... | 05/19/06
Tracking;  muygordo | 05/20/06
M$ behind it.  Dumber_z | 05/20/06
Damn it  csa0307 | 05/16/06
Exactly!  petemitchell | 05/16/06
RE: Exactly!  richdave | 05/16/06
boob?  Dumber_z | 05/20/06
Correct...  Mike (not Cox) | 05/16/06
if by terrorists you mean government  linuxoverwindows | 05/18/06
Gheez  Dumber_z | 05/20/06
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How about hackers...  97 | 05/16/06
That is right.  systemcleaner | 05/16/06
THAT IS WRONG  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Message has been deleted.  systemcleaner | 05/16/06
What ever Dr. Suess  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Huh?  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
I just don't know myself....  Laff | 05/16/06
And that's ok  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Fair enough. I don't know enough to say if I agree or not.  Laff | 05/16/06
we know...  linuxoverwindows | 05/18/06
RE: And that's ok  richdave | 05/16/06
Good Question  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
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go to  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
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Reagan made me a Democrat...  twinsidious | 05/17/06
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I can't wait until a big politician is caught or...  el1jones | 05/16/06
There already are...  dr_who@... | 05/18/06
hype words...  Bgone | 05/16/06
Reminds me of that running joke in the Simpsons.  Laff | 05/16/06
zig heil!  linuxoverwindows | 05/18/06
Communism Not Far Off  BlackDiamond | 05/16/06
Nope, it's like ol' Huey Long said: "When fascism comes to America...  orange_z | 05/17/06
they cant take my flag.  linuxoverwindows | 05/18/06
Let me correct you, it's Fascism.  rjudd01@... | 05/17/06
I'm not a Rebuplican any more  stfree | 05/16/06
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are you a republican any less?  linuxoverwindows | 05/18/06
IP?  Dumber_z | 05/20/06
sounds like a line from "blazing saddles"  koontah | 05/20/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
ROTFL  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
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New hunting rule...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
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Cant agree with you more,  97 | 05/16/06
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Consequences  97 | 05/16/06
Unintended CONsequences and foil Hats  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Won't Budge  BlackDiamond | 05/16/06
Hey I can respect that  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Your Government Loves You  BlackDiamond | 05/16/06
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freedoms  plumnilly | 05/18/06
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Nor do I disagree with you but can't you see that your  Laff | 05/16/06
Hmmmmm....  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
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And sadly enought you've just scratched the surface....  Laff | 05/16/06
Vodka`  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
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Counter Points  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
Too Bad  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
And we differ there...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
Differences of opinion  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
You May Not Be  BlackDiamond | 05/16/06
If you odn't want them to find out  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Shel... this is where they win and we lose...  Linux User 147560 | 05/16/06
I'm not a loser until I concede defeat  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
..you already HAVE conceded, sweetie..  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
Noi we share the same opinion, just have a different line drawn.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
Differences of opinion  plumnilly | 05/18/06
Your kids  Henrick Ericcson | 05/16/06
Where do you get off  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Sacrificing freedom for security  Henrick Ericcson | 05/16/06
Nope  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Your freedom vs Mine  Henrick Ericcson | 05/16/06
I agree..  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
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OK, I'm Sorry  Henrick Ericcson | 05/16/06
Thank you, and I do agree with you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
You still don't get it  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Wait wait wait  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
I'm sorry!  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
yes but..  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
Quit assuming  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
your words imply everything..  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
Shel, something you need to read...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
I hate abuse of power  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
The problem is, Power Corrupts.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
And I can see your point  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
I base it completely on history of the US.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
And the sick irony is  Linux User 147560 | 05/16/06
Linux User it did happen to others  osreinstall | 05/16/06
and Bit..  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
Absolutely...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
It tells me a lot more also.  osreinstall | 05/17/06
My stand  97 | 05/16/06
It is the job of the parent  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Not The Government  BlackDiamond | 05/16/06
Do you even have kids?  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Yes I Do  BlackDiamond | 05/16/06
Your definition of safe  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
No such thing as safe.....  Laff | 05/16/06
Shel... not trying to be a jerk, just pointing something out...  Linux User 147560 | 05/16/06
LU  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Shel, I will NOT surrender my freedom for the sake of your kids.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
And I don't expect you to either  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
But by allowing the government to pass these laws  Linux User 147560 | 05/16/06
But the problem is there are too many like you Shel.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
she draws the line..  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
No responce Shel?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
Here is your response  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Well Shel and others...  Linux User 147560 | 05/16/06
What would I do?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
Insanity anyone?  97 | 05/16/06
Thank you  97 | 05/16/06
Yes and no....  Laff | 05/16/06
Nature vs. Nurture  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Heh heh heh...true, so true.  Laff | 05/16/06
Only if you believe in God  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Who cares who YOU'RE getting sick of!  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
Obviously you  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
You want your kids protected?  6T9ura$$0ff | 05/17/06
Listen you  Shelendrea | 05/18/06
idea is just as smart as Senator Hatch's  RIAAsucks | 05/16/06
Take your silly little rant and shove it  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
How many people do we want in government?  James B | 05/16/06
Already Here  BlackDiamond | 05/16/06
Message has been deleted.  James B | 05/16/06
Welcome to American socialist totalitarianism [nt]  Omch'Ar | 05/16/06
Tell me again why youg kids are dyign in Iraq?  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
Bwahahaha!!  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
Didn't actually run out, but the CIA...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
Ok everyone  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
So I gotta know...  Linux User 147560 | 05/16/06
If you really must know  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
ROFLMAO!  Linux User 147560 | 05/16/06
talk about..  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
Huh?  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
Actually yes  Shelendrea | 05/17/06
Hang in there  rapson | 05/16/06
Message has been deleted.  itanalyst | 05/16/06
because people voted for him  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
He was never voted in...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
Would that be the first or second time  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
A good starting point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/16/06
See, there's my point!  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
Bite me Jeffey  Shelendrea | 05/17/06
2000 Was a Fluke  GeneBuettner | 05/17/06
Security  Ron406 | 05/16/06
Here Here!  GeneBuettner | 05/17/06
Well spoken Ron!  6T9ura$$0ff | 05/17/06
I think it is time to disconnect from the web and talk to real folks.  osreinstall | 05/16/06
I actually understood that  Shelendrea | 05/16/06
Well I am usually direct most of the time.  osreinstall | 05/16/06
Wha?  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
Come'on Jeffy  osreinstall | 05/16/06
Isn't this an oxymoron?  Spicoli the Cannoli | 05/16/06
Classicly known as "Double Speak"......:)  Laff | 05/16/06
Sorry, guys!  richdave | 05/16/06
Small correction  richdave | 05/16/06
Congress may make ISPs snoop on you  howardweatherly | 05/17/06
snooping by isp's  a843 | 05/17/06
EXACTLY  Shelendrea | 05/17/06
Actually you are incorrect.  osreinstall | 05/17/06
yes and no  Shelendrea | 05/17/06
They are always given a slap on the wrist...  osreinstall | 05/17/06
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Emule will make tracking expensive  GreatInca | 05/17/06
You've got to be KIDDING ME!  xilord@... | 05/17/06
It's not the WORLD It's the USA!  mlindl | 05/17/06
...very *much* like Rome...  6T9ura$$0ff | 05/17/06
Sig Heil!!!  mlindl | 05/17/06
"Throw these bastards OUT in November "  6T9ura$$0ff | 05/17/06
Big (Idiot) Brother  wizard on the hill | 05/17/06
Next?...  6T9ura$$0ff | 05/17/06
Get a warrant, then record  richj120952 | 05/17/06
Message has been deleted.  Leria | 05/17/06
Message has been deleted.  Linux User 147560 | 05/17/06
My sentiments exactly  Shelendrea | 05/17/06
EXACTLY WRONG!!!  Shelendrea | 05/17/06
Pigs need to eat Shel...  Linux User 147560 | 05/17/06
Just an FYI...  Linux User 147560 | 05/17/06
sarcasm?  giskard | 05/17/06
E-Mail address's  Linux User 147560 | 05/17/06
Only if  Shelendrea | 05/17/06
On a pig farm it's really  Linux User 147560 | 05/17/06
In that case  Shelendrea | 05/17/06
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Want to bet ?  Oreamnos_americanus | 05/17/06
Yeah but....  Sackaguano | 05/17/06
Fundemental flaw is that  Linux User 147560 | 05/17/06
If I had my way.....  osreinstall | 05/17/06
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he's not  Shelendrea | 05/17/06
Hmmm  Linux User 147560 | 05/17/06
Up the ante  Shelendrea | 05/17/06
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Troll this  Shelendrea | 05/17/06
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You are the idiot  Sackaguano | 05/17/06
Exactly Right??????  vapetlover | 05/17/06
Someone needs to change your meds...to arsenic...  6T9ura$$0ff | 05/17/06
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Linking to porn sites - unintentionally  DellS | 05/17/06
re:...make ISPs snoop on you  mike_burgess@... | 05/17/06
ISP Snooping  Old Southern Fart | 05/17/06
ISP Snoops  canuck31 | 05/17/06
Profit Opportunity  panzrwagn | 05/17/06
Congress may make ISPs snoop on you  Mambo01 | 05/17/06
He's Hitler reincarnate.  Eliyahna | 05/17/06
Very Effective Way to Defeat This  GeneBuettner | 05/17/06
Encrypt everything  zigmund | 05/17/06
Let's Start Snooping on Congress!  GeneBuettner | 05/17/06
Hey if you snoop can you check out my computer too,and offer upgrades free.  NancyVickersTier | 05/17/06
Nice...  Heretic_Seraphim | 05/17/06
Unreality  rrusson_z | 05/17/06
First They Have to DEFINE Child Pornography  adsanders@... | 05/17/06
Bush: I LOVE THE EUROPEANS ! ! !  systemBuilder_z | 05/17/06
Just go on about your lives as you did before  Sackaguano | 05/17/06
ISP Records  Bobby Joe Reed | 05/17/06
Land of the Free NOT!!!  wizardb@... | 05/17/06
This is just one more example of CONgress committing treason...  xode@... | 05/17/06
ISP's snooping. sad  ValFitzAndrew | 05/17/06
Don't wait for the fix - fix it yourself  schwana | 05/17/06
As another poster said, slippery slope.  Oreamnos_americanus | 05/17/06
ISP's may snoop  vapetlover | 05/17/06
By that logic, we no longer need elections  gardoglee | 05/17/06
you're right  EmergencyMan | 05/28/06
U.S.S.R.  keldog5675 | 05/17/06
1984  The Reverend | 05/17/06
Snoop  vagardener | 05/17/06
Well, in the words of Rev. Niemoeller...  RichardM_z | 05/17/06
You missed the point because...  BlazeEagle | 05/17/06
On point - Franklin  Oreamnos_americanus | 05/17/06
Truth be told...  Heretic_Seraphim | 05/17/06
Information is power...  6T9ura$$0ff | 05/17/06
Snoop  plumnilly | 05/18/06
Not Communist but definately Fascist  stfree | 05/17/06
I would like to be safe, but.....  tboyd_z | 05/17/06
It's already happened  EmergencyMan | 05/28/06
Goobye Democracy... hello Communism  atlantisjordan | 05/17/06
To hell with the Christian Conservatives...  BillyT2003 | 05/17/06
Somebody set up US the bomb  Heretic_Seraphim | 05/17/06
Bushie see, Bushie do  Nasty Jack | 05/17/06
What I find so ironic  Jim Blaine - Bellingham WA. | 05/17/06
Reminds me of someone else  Heretic_Seraphim | 05/17/06
From what I've seen  plumnilly | 05/18/06
"assaulted by our government and corporations."  6T9ura$$0ff | 05/17/06
This is nonsense...  BillyT2003 | 05/17/06
NAAAAAAAH!!!  6T9ura$$0ff | 05/17/06
This is why I hate people  Heretic_Seraphim | 05/17/06
And some people . . .  critic-at-arms | 05/17/06
I LIKE demons!  Heretic_Seraphim | 05/17/06
A prelude to communism.  vorris@... | 05/17/06
Slaves are communists?  6T9ura$$0ff | 05/17/06
cost  cota3930 | 05/17/06
ISP Logs  RockFisher | 05/17/06
Amen!  vorris@... | 05/17/06
you mean "THE NEW WORLD ORDER Danmed NAZI"S  veteren1@... | 05/17/06
Be Afraid... Be VERY Afraid  metilley@... | 05/18/06
Big Brother- Growing Stronger  wr2001@... | 05/18/06
ISP and GOVT snooping-Hitler is back!  OKJoe | 05/18/06
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Are they serious?  duranchick | 05/18/06
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Big Brother  nipper | 05/18/06
Congress may make ISP's snoop on you  blehr@... | 05/18/06
If you document supenas will come.  wireless_boy | 05/18/06
Scarier than the NSA CDR database  fishellr | 05/19/06
Depends  Shelendrea | 05/19/06
I voted for George Bush  Survivor56 | 05/20/06
congress and snooping go hand in hand.  born4fun@... | 05/21/06
Privacy and Terrorists  Troyinducer@... | 05/21/06
Involuntary Servitude  MyPGP.Com | 05/25/06
Everyone get PGP or other good encryption  xyxx1@... | 05/31/06
Everyone get PGP  marzboy77 | 06/08/06
Congress may make ISPs snoop on you  marzboy77 | 06/07/06

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