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FISA was not given oversight. Only _select_ members of Congress were briefed, and then given a gag order. Not all of the members briefed were convinced of its legality. Congress, before Sept. 14, struck out writing in the powers granted to Bush which would have allowed freewheeling wiretaps. Even some of his fellow Republicans are kind of wary about what is going on. All of this evidence points to a serious lack of oversight, hence the pending investigations and lawsuits.

If the NSA and Bush are proven to have actually only wiretapped people telephoning known terrorists, then in the future, if they want to avoid investigations into their actions, they should bloody well just let FISA do what it is supposed to: approve of executive wiretaps against American citizens.

>>The thing you have to ask yourself is why would they be interested in listening to ordinary citizens which would be a clear violation of the law.<<

Why did Nixon? Why, during the Cold War, were many innocent citizens hounded?
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Ordinary Americans my ass  DarthRidiculous | 01/31/06
How do you KNOW this?  bubba555 | 01/31/06
How do you know ...  ShadeTree | 01/31/06
Ask the Quakers  Confused by religion | 01/31/06
Trite and not very constructive(nt)  ShadeTree | 01/31/06
Then you are clueless  wizard_of_oz | 02/01/06
RE: To the real clueless one.  ShadeTree | 02/01/06
To the moron Shadey  Jeff Spicoli | 02/01/06
RE: Jeff Spicoli  ShadeTree | 02/01/06
WHOA UP there ShadeTree, it was exactly the right place!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/21/06
I'm not sure there was oversight.  Prime Detailer | 01/31/06
How are you so sure ...  ShadeTree | 01/31/06
In any case  Jack-Booted EULA | 01/31/06
Actually, according to the law ...  ShadeTree | 01/31/06
Weren't  Jack-Booted EULA | 01/31/06
The founding fathers ...  ShadeTree | 02/01/06
I have heard  Update victim | 02/01/06
Re:  theillmunkeys | 01/31/06
Assumes facts not in evidence.  ShadeTree | 01/31/06
Minor Correction  Jack-Booted EULA | 01/31/06
None the less ...  ShadeTree | 01/31/06
Speaking of pure speculation...  Jack-Booted EULA | 01/31/06
Not speculation at all.  ShadeTree | 02/01/06
Facts are in evidence  Looneytoon | 01/31/06
Not so fast!  ShadeTree | 02/01/06
That you don't keep up with the news is not my problem  Looneytoon | 02/01/06
Once again where ...  ShadeTree | 02/01/06
And of course, during wartime  Update victim | 02/01/06
Once again  Looneytoon | 02/01/06
Its late, but whatever  theillmunkeys | 02/02/06
How do you discern between  Update victim | 02/01/06
The solution to the problem is to  Update victim | 02/01/06
Oh, c'mon, Shadey.  Judas I. | 01/31/06
The quote you are butchering was about ...  ShadeTree | 01/31/06
Now THAT'S a real laugher:  Judas I. | 02/01/06
NOBODY KNOWS FOR SURE..  Jeff Spicoli | 01/31/06
Exactly!  Tpell | 02/08/06
How do you know...  jguyp725@... | 02/01/06
that's already happening..  Jeff Spicoli | 02/01/06
Congress was NOT briefed!  zaphod@... | 02/03/06
How do I know that  zchief | 04/21/06
Gerald - you may have been monitered  Prime Detailer | 01/31/06
Really?!  TLG_z | 01/31/06
And you know this how?  DarthRidiculous | 01/31/06
It's basic logic  TLG_z | 02/01/06
The point is you know little or nothing ...  ShadeTree | 02/01/06
that's EXACTLY one of the problems...  TLG_z | 02/01/06
That is as it should be!  ShadeTree | 02/01/06
Explain that shadetree. You don't think the terroists know?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/21/06
Bill Colection Firms often out of country  mighetto | 01/31/06
Wow that is completely out of ...  ShadeTree | 02/01/06
the only calls the NSA monitored  reglahsize | 01/31/06
The same statement could be ...  ShadeTree | 02/01/06
And you know this how?  Looneytoon | 01/31/06
And you know more?  ShadeTree | 02/01/06
Apparently more than you  Looneytoon | 02/01/06
You have proven nothing!  ShadeTree | 02/01/06
So what? Why is proof required?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/21/06
oh i see....  not of this world | 04/23/06
YOU have been tapped  jdakula | 01/31/06
I'm assuming you can ...  ShadeTree | 01/31/06
I can't say about "all", but  __howard__ | 01/31/06
Yup.  jdakula | 02/02/06
Re:  theillmunkeys | 02/02/06
If AT&T allowed access to customer data  Jack-Booted EULA | 01/31/06
Glad to have the EFF challenge the Bush regime  Prognosticator | 01/31/06
If it had been Clinton  __howard__ | 01/31/06
Patriot Act  jguyp725@... | 02/01/06
Right on the money  Protector | 02/01/06
Ok, now this is funny!  BitTwiddler | 02/01/06
HOLD the phone a second...  Wolfie2K3 | 02/01/06
Dangerous times  Protector | 02/01/06
Constitution restricts the government  __howard__ | 02/01/06
READ the Bill of Rights here:  btljooz | 02/01/06
More than just the Bill of Rights  __howard__ | 02/02/06
Foreigners  beachbog@... | 02/02/06
AT&T  Check_Out | 02/02/06
TURST?  ciociario | 02/03/06
This is so simple it is STUPID.  jsteff@... | 02/06/06
This is Simple.  tomtater2004@... | 02/06/06
Don't be so naive  Tpell | 02/08/06
Simple and Stupid  ron_slicker@... | 11/19/07
NSA  Altotus | 02/06/06
VICTIM  king1@... | 02/07/06
VICTIM  king1@... | 02/07/06
victim  king1@... | 02/07/06
victim in illinois  king1@... | 02/07/06

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