Protecting big media profits
Tim Patterson | 06/17/05
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This isn't about file swapping.
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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Facilitating theft IS a crime.
realitycheck101 | 06/17/05
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Then by your logic
Joe Blow_z | 06/17/05
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WTF are you talking about
Squawkbox | 06/17/05
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I agree...
HypnoToad | 06/18/05
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You read the platforms...
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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Spot on Anton
Squawkbox | 06/18/05
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Exactly ... Joe Blow has it backwards ...
lalogos | 06/22/05
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Re: Then by your logic
none none | 06/18/05
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I'll agree with the first half of your statement
el1jones | 06/18/05
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WHAT!?!???
Squawkbox | 06/18/05
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If these companies get to lock up content
ebrke | 06/20/05
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Yeah I know
Squawkbox | 06/20/05
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Did you say borrow from a neighbor?
Quiet_Type | 06/22/05
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Aww... let's just outlaw CDs and DVDs while they're at it
grinnerwolf | 06/23/05
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Randy Weaver?
wimbo_z | 06/20/05
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Yeah Randy Weaver! Sorry to throw you
Squawkbox | 06/20/05
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Logic? Maybe you could buy some.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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Don't blame this on republicans
lengua99 | 06/25/05
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Think again
Tim Patterson | 06/17/05
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Agree 100%
bchesmer | 06/18/05
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A gun is a tool, and has lots of restrictions
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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fear
Protector | 06/20/05
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And fear...
Nullifidian | 06/20/05
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As Long As You Are Quoting
Don Bradley | 06/21/05
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Simple
Protector | 06/21/05
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You have to remember...
skraf883 | 06/23/05
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No. it doesn't
lengua99 | 06/25/05
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I think you mean regulations
voska | 06/20/05
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A car is a tool and has lots of restrictions.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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Indeed
d_jedi | 06/20/05
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Again Ford is not responsible for street racers
voska | 06/20/05
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Here is the catch
osreinstall | 06/21/05
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A car is not guaranteed
lengua99 | 06/25/05
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TNT is a tool and has lots of restrictions.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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Drugs are a tools and have lots of restrictions.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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Re: Drugs are a tools and have lots of restrictions.
none none | 06/18/05
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Same argument once again
voska | 06/20/05
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Why not Hold Microsoft responsible?
whieber | 06/20/05
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The networks don't want you to be able to download
mustangj36@... | 06/22/05
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YEAH, RIGHT
linuxoverwindows | 06/22/05
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Oh Boy!
Justcauz | 06/22/05
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In That Case . . .
steve@... | 06/24/05
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P2P brought it on themselves
osreinstall | 06/18/05
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if they had tried
JasonL31 | 06/18/05
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By who?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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Remember that the legal defense is:
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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That defence was completely shattered.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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That defense won.
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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Yes, no, and sort of...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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Re: Yes, no, and sort of...
none none | 06/18/05
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Sharman was a defendant in the MGM vs. Grokster case
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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Not really Jason
osreinstall | 06/18/05
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Betamax with a twist.
osreinstall | 06/19/05
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Tell that to Microsoft and Mastercard.
HypnoToad | 06/18/05
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You are somewhat right
osreinstall | 06/18/05
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One major flaw in your argument, Newsgroups
voska | 06/20/05
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P2P is the new efficient way to pirate
osreinstall | 06/20/05
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Here's Fedora (Linux) on Bittorrent
Nigel Johnstone | 06/18/05
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I see your Fedora Torrent, and raise you Torrents for all distros!
Xunil_Sierutuf | 06/18/05
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damn im happy to live outside that country
toxicfreak | 06/18/05
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don't worry, that country will collapse within a year.
HypnoToad | 06/18/05
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Well, at least Canada now allows private...
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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I saw a study too
voska | 06/20/05
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:P
Protector | 06/20/05
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Yellow Snow
TrustMe_z | 06/21/05
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damage not proven
pesky_z | 06/18/05
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Add to that, despite copy protection, refunds are not allowed.
HypnoToad | 06/18/05
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Bogus argument with no basis in fact.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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Return policies exist for everything
voska | 06/20/05
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Umm, maybe that's why sales are down
lengua99 | 06/25/05
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I also have a problem with (filler) songs on a CD
Justcauz | 06/19/05
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no one wants to hear...
linuxoverwindows | 06/22/05
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money is a proxy for power...
jackbp73 | 06/22/05
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I never said free
Justcauz | 06/22/05
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No reason to *prove* damage.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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Different laws apply to the cases.
B.O.F.H. | 06/18/05
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What's tresspassing have to do with it?
voska | 06/20/05
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Simple...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
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I think I just said that
voska | 06/20/05
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Message has been deleted.
rogueOne | 06/18/05
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Re: Justices to rule on fate of file-swapping
none none | 06/18/05
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You're right.
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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They're missing a chance to retool.
Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 06/18/05
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This is starting to happen
Justcauz | 06/19/05
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No one will be happy is my prediction.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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If by "restritions" you mean...
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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Yes and no...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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You're right about knowing content.
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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But what effect will this have
voska | 06/20/05
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Re: But what effect will this have
none none | 06/20/05
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Controling the product. True to an extent..
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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There's public safety...
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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Typo
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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Not always...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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Re: Not always...
none none | 06/18/05
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Re: Re:Not always...
none none | 06/18/05
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Re: Controling the product. True to an extent..
none none | 06/18/05
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Oh but no...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
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Got a little off track
osreinstall | 06/18/05
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Re: Oh but no...
none none | 06/18/05
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Not quite
osreinstall | 06/18/05
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The moment you say the p2p software providers...
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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What would that do to functionality?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/19/05
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By your logic, Monti was right...
Anton Philidor | 06/19/05
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Oh boy
Justcauz | 06/19/05
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How much can they control?
Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 06/18/05
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The software can't control much.
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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Oh well, then they go broke.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/19/05
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... and other software picks up the fallen banner.
Anton Philidor | 06/19/05
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What about the free ones?
Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 06/19/05
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To take this to a logical conclusion...
B.O.F.H. | 06/19/05
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Why Not
osreinstall | 06/19/05
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This is just a rehash of betamax, though.
B.O.F.H. | 06/19/05
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Betamax with a twist
osreinstall | 06/19/05
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Don't think DRM is relevant to this.
B.O.F.H. | 06/20/05
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DRM's goal
osreinstall | 06/20/05
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Actually, the goal of DRM is...
B.O.F.H. | 06/20/05
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DRM will protect them too.
osreinstall | 06/20/05
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If a DRM PC can share content
voska | 06/20/05
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Logic Man
osreinstall | 06/20/05
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No boogey just a snake oil salesman
voska | 06/20/05
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Smarter people than you disagree
osreinstall | 06/20/05
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who cares about the hardware
voska | 06/20/05
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It will be in the hardware & software
osreinstall | 06/20/05
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DRM punishes the paying consumer
Protector | 06/20/05
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It is my decision! Period, you have no say.
voska | 06/20/05
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You are wrong!
osreinstall | 06/20/05
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voska, what's the matter?
osreinstall | 06/20/05
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Oh and
voska | 06/20/05
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And another thing
osreinstall | 06/20/05
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You got it exactly
voska | 06/20/05
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But voska, that isn't my logic
osreinstall | 06/20/05
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Meanwhile
voska | 06/20/05
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I will
osreinstall | 06/20/05
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I've got market data to support me
voska | 06/20/05
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You know what Sam Clemons said
osreinstall | 06/20/05
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Re: Why Not
none none | 06/20/05
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You are not correct
osreinstall | 06/21/05
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Re: To take this to a logical conclusion...
none none | 06/20/05
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Controls
Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
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Fully automatic weapons can be sold
lengua99 | 06/25/05
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Re: No one will be happy is my prediction.
none none | 06/18/05
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You bring up an interesting point
rottweilerus | 06/19/05
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And, it Snowballs . . . .
jukey48 | 06/22/05
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No One Cares About Your Prediction Because It's Hollow And Baseless
itanalyst | 06/20/05
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Stay tuned and be educated...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
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Perhaps you need to be educated.
B.O.F.H. | 06/20/05
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You Can't Educate A Robot
itanalyst | 06/20/05
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Message has been deleted.
itanalyst | 06/20/05
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About their use????
Tootz | 06/18/05
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Someone who says, "I have nothing to hide..."
Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
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The Issue May Be Moot
Rumpled_Foreskin | 06/18/05
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Easy ways to avoid the "fake titles"
Teri1957 | 06/22/05
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Punish the criminals, not service providers
steven.randolph@... | 06/20/05
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And in turn punish the consumer!
Protector | 06/21/05
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Downloading music is NOT theft!
Protector | 06/20/05
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Downloading music is NOT theft!
Becks_z | 06/20/05
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lost
Protector | 06/20/05
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p2p pros
psychodave | 06/22/05
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You argument makes littles sense
voska | 06/20/05
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""Should software makers be responsible for illegal use of their software?"
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
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Re: ""Should software makers be responsible for illegal use of their softwa
none none | 06/20/05
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Are Ford responsible for the illegal use of their cars?
zd032237 | 06/27/05
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Is anyone responsible for the illegal use of their product?
stephen0838_z | 07/05/05
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It's a TOOL!
The PC Mechanic | 06/20/05
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So is a fully automatic weapon, so is gasoline.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
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Tool, or fuel?
The PC Mechanic | 06/20/05
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When gun mfrs are responsible for murder
mlindl | 06/20/05
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Even better!
grant@... | 06/22/05
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So, Better Yet
jukey48 | 06/22/05
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Responsibility
azroamer | 06/22/05
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No_Ax you are lost
Protector | 06/20/05
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Vinnym Is My New Hero
itanalyst | 06/20/05
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Collateral Damage?
Doug@... | 06/21/05
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The Pen, V8, Match, gun, & Computer
barrencross@... | 06/22/05
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Punish the tool?
StuartN_z | 06/22/05
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Suit over item instead of real source of problem.
barrencross@... | 06/22/05
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RIAA / MPA responsible for film coApycat killings
TimGraves | 06/22/05
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Don't forget to hold Chicago Cutlery responsible for illegal use of knives
SanfordOlson | 06/22/05
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Lawyers should be responsible for the crimes of criminals that they free
jimyab | 06/22/05
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shoe salesmen should be responsible too
pablito@... | 06/22/05
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They can be
osreinstall | 06/22/05
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Sure...
RatMcGee | 06/22/05
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Software makers be responsible for illegal use of their product?
Cribman | 06/22/05
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Holding software makers responsible for the use of their product
tswartz | 06/22/05
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Justices to rule
stevem_001 | 06/22/05
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Should Sears be responsible for burglaries?
Doescompute | 06/22/05
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Illegal file swapping
agbulit_z | 06/22/05
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If you hold ONE liable, you should hold them ALL
James Dean_z | 06/22/05
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writing a ransom note using MS Word
pablito@... | 06/22/05
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Make movies available on-line
genifycom | 06/22/05
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Excuse me !!
Richie_z | 06/22/05
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Since we are talking about the US.
werner.lefebvre@... | 06/22/05
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It was Shakespeare
James Dean_z | 06/22/05
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who is responsible
kdean@... | 06/22/05
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sftware makker are responsible to the missuse of their stolen product?
alex@... | 06/22/05
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Software makers be responsible for illegal use of their product?
tmoody4 | 06/22/05
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Enough!
Teri1957 | 06/22/05
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If file swapping is a crime, then Microsoft is a criminal
j1m2r3@... | 06/22/05
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addendum to this message
j1m2r3@... | 06/22/05
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Bank Robbery
millsd9@... | 06/22/05
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what product cannot be used in an illegal or immoral way?
wordmaster1 | 06/22/05
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Drunk Driving
pelle_z | 06/22/05
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Are all cars required to have speed caps?
Nekow42 | 06/22/05
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The RIAA and Labels Should Be Investigated
ctrent@... | 06/22/05
|

!
j1m2r3@... | 06/22/05
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Dad's CD's
barrencross@... | 06/22/05
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The Record Labels Are Not Paying The Artists
ctrent@... | 06/22/05
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Holding S/W Companies Liable- NOT!!
Omnius | 06/22/05
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Should software makers be responsible for illegal use of their software?
vaughn@... | 06/22/05
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Ye Ole Slippery Slope
VIPERXX7 | 06/22/05
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Software liability for illegal uses...
Jeff Hayes | 06/22/05
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Hold software compaines responsible?
wwlawrence | 06/22/05
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This is quite hilarious actually
Beejaybee | 06/22/05
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Sorry about the typos btw
Beejaybee | 06/22/05
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Software - File Swapping
algaatoz@... | 06/22/05
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File Swapping
swc@... | 06/22/05
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P to P
jlauder@... | 06/22/05
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re: Holding Software Developers Liable
l_turn9 | 06/22/05
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Illegal use or excessive price?
jolumoar | 06/22/05
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download.com is illegal too then!
pescej | 06/22/05
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Arrest Dole
lipl1 | 06/22/05
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Justices to rule on File Swapping
461wa127 | 06/22/05
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File-swapping
mdufilho@... | 06/22/05
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Hold the Phone company responsible
norm@... | 06/22/05
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Compared to other products...?
gonzodex | 06/22/05
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Gunmakers are NOT liable if their product is used in a shooting
batavier | 06/22/05
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Holding software developers responsible
peter.gibbons | 06/22/05
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Liability of software makers for illegal uses of their products
petepratt@... | 06/22/05
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Guns are used in murders everyday
Storm331 | 06/22/05
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That's like blaming gun manufacturers for people killed with guns...
deratristar | 06/22/05
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No
jkimball4@... | 06/22/05
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All you file swappers miss the boat
osreinstall | 06/22/05
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Hmm. So, Ares is okay in your book?
Nekow42 | 06/24/05
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Not at all
osreinstall | 06/24/05
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Protection? Like what?
Nekow42 | 06/24/05
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You have to protect the author. What if you are one?
osreinstall | 06/24/05
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DRM does not work.
Nekow42 | 06/24/05
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DRM will work. If it didn't, you would ignore it.
osreinstall | 06/24/05
|
     
Death of the free internet RE:DRM will work.
Nekow42 | 06/24/05
|
     
Internet will not die - more openFUD!
osreinstall | 06/24/05
|
     
Umm, somewhat strange way of arguing...
Nekow42 | 06/26/05
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The free files will be passed around like before on all machines.
osreinstall | 06/26/05
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If the free files will be passed along...
Nekow42 | 06/29/05
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Can only modify your stuff
osreinstall | 06/29/05
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All DRM has an unpreventable flaw.
Nekow42 | 06/29/05
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Analog all you want
osreinstall | 06/29/05
|
     
As long as they do....
Nekow42 | 06/29/05
|
     
Not as bad as some folks think
osreinstall | 06/29/05
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And that is what...
Nekow42 | 06/30/05
|
     
What can I say
osreinstall | 06/30/05
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Come on, what the hell next?
Irritated User | 06/22/05
|

Will the libraries have to close?
stpatrick1956@... | 06/22/05
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You're right Buddy! Welcome to the third wave of Fascism
Irritated User | 06/22/05
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If you make then responcible then the 1st admenmendant is useless
grayfrier | 06/22/05
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Level the Playing Field
bill@... | 06/22/05
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Hmmm, sounds familiar.
wolfsouls | 06/22/05
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Where does the buck stop?
wolfsouls | 06/22/05
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Unambiguous Evidence of Harm
bill@... | 06/22/05
|
software makers responsible for ILLEGAL use of software??
marysob@... | 06/22/05
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Absolutely NOT!!!!
DrivenOG | 06/22/05
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Isn't that kind of like
Crestview | 06/22/05
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who to sue
burtonfrost@... | 06/22/05
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30 yrs of buying Music
40yr_Old_Music_Freak | 06/22/05
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No manufactures not libal
rafcaf1975 | 06/22/05
|
software
jolliroger | 06/22/05
|
Penalize manufacturers for misuse?
amnot | 06/22/05
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What's next? Other mfg's watch out!
Storageman | 06/22/05
|

Whats' next
neubauerr@... | 06/22/05
|
Software Maker's Responsibility
CAmudgeon | 06/22/05
|
Should software mfg. be responsible for their product
jrizzuto | 06/22/05
|
If a bank robbery is committed in a Chevy, do you charge GM with the crime?
szeoli | 06/22/05
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Use the Licensing Agreements
fawkestar3 | 06/22/05
|
Should software makers be responsible for the use of their software?
dalton35 | 06/22/05
|
Software Mfg. subject to prosecution due to illegal use of software, IE: FS
dvaeason | 06/22/05
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Of course, it makes perfect sense.
rasman | 06/23/05
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Pls be fair to software vendors
milinshah@... | 06/23/05
|
What a farcial ruling to make!
tgreenfield | 06/23/05
|
Not responsible for the use of their product
Dr_Zinj | 06/23/05
|
software NO , hardware YES
charlescandy | 06/23/05
|
any difference than bullets are responsible for shooting deaths?
opatzg@... | 06/23/05
|
On Having A Clear Conscience
yurthlr@... | 06/23/05
|
File swapping
baileyfe@... | 06/23/05
|
Hollywood Greedheads- The Technological Taliban
dahnb | 06/23/05
|
American Justice is easily bought by private businesses
scotasys | 06/23/05
|
Prosecute to the full extent of the law...
jbert | 06/23/05
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Lop-sided copyright
peterwoof01 | 06/23/05
|

Region codes, etc.
barrencross@... | 06/30/05
|
copywrite laws
jackflan@... | 06/23/05
|
It all depends on your viewpoint...
flared0ne | 06/24/05
|

Hate it when that happens
flared0ne | 06/24/05
|
 
arrggghh...
flared0ne | 06/24/05
|
Should software makers be resonsable for when ?
Freedomis#1 | 06/24/05
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Guilty Software Makers
jbkraut | 06/24/05
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A retort to the "questionable" statement...
Mr. Tinker | 06/24/05
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Original software makers should reduce the price
vsraman51 | 06/24/05
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responsibilities
sowotsup | 06/25/05
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They are making the internet like everything else
sueconcord | 06/27/05
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no, the future is to men and technic
jokl-123 | 06/28/05
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