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Protecting big media profits
It seems to me that copyright infringement should be pursued by the MPAA and the RIAA along with lw enforcement. It is not acceptable to destroy or otherwise limit the file sharing technology that many of us in the FOSS world use for legal purposes.

If the RIAA and the MPAA have their way it will be more evidence of the corruption of our system by big money interests.
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Protecting big media profits  Tim Patterson | 06/17/05
This isn't about file swapping.  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
Facilitating theft IS a crime.  realitycheck101 | 06/17/05
Then by your logic  Joe Blow_z | 06/17/05
WTF are you talking about  Squawkbox | 06/17/05
I agree...  HypnoToad | 06/18/05
You read the platforms...  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
Spot on Anton  Squawkbox | 06/18/05
Exactly ... Joe Blow has it backwards ...  lalogos | 06/22/05
Re: Then by your logic  none none | 06/18/05
I'll agree with the first half of your statement  el1jones | 06/18/05
WHAT!?!???  Squawkbox | 06/18/05
If these companies get to lock up content  ebrke | 06/20/05
Yeah I know  Squawkbox | 06/20/05
Did you say borrow from a neighbor?  Quiet_Type | 06/22/05
Aww... let's just outlaw CDs and DVDs while they're at it  grinnerwolf | 06/23/05
Randy Weaver?  wimbo_z | 06/20/05
Yeah Randy Weaver! Sorry to throw you  Squawkbox | 06/20/05
Logic? Maybe you could buy some.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
Don't blame this on republicans  lengua99 | 06/25/05
Think again  Tim Patterson | 06/17/05
Agree 100%  bchesmer | 06/18/05
A gun is a tool, and has lots of restrictions  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
fear  Protector | 06/20/05
And fear...  Nullifidian | 06/20/05
As Long As You Are Quoting  Don Bradley | 06/21/05
Simple  Protector | 06/21/05
You have to remember...  skraf883 | 06/23/05
No. it doesn't  lengua99 | 06/25/05
I think you mean regulations  voska | 06/20/05
A car is a tool and has lots of restrictions.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
Indeed  d_jedi | 06/20/05
Again Ford is not responsible for street racers  voska | 06/20/05
Here is the catch  osreinstall | 06/21/05
A car is not guaranteed  lengua99 | 06/25/05
TNT is a tool and has lots of restrictions.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
Drugs are a tools and have lots of restrictions.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
Re: Drugs are a tools and have lots of restrictions.  none none | 06/18/05
Same argument once again  voska | 06/20/05
Why not Hold Microsoft responsible?  whieber | 06/20/05
The networks don't want you to be able to download  mustangj36@... | 06/22/05
YEAH, RIGHT  linuxoverwindows | 06/22/05
Oh Boy!  Justcauz | 06/22/05
In That Case . . .  steve@... | 06/24/05
P2P brought it on themselves  osreinstall | 06/18/05
if they had tried  JasonL31 | 06/18/05
By who?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
Remember that the legal defense is:  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
That defence was completely shattered.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
That defense won.  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
Yes, no, and sort of...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
Re: Yes, no, and sort of...  none none | 06/18/05
Sharman was a defendant in the MGM vs. Grokster case  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
Not really Jason  osreinstall | 06/18/05
Betamax with a twist.  osreinstall | 06/19/05
Tell that to Microsoft and Mastercard.  HypnoToad | 06/18/05
You are somewhat right  osreinstall | 06/18/05
One major flaw in your argument, Newsgroups  voska | 06/20/05
P2P is the new efficient way to pirate  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Here's Fedora (Linux) on Bittorrent  Nigel Johnstone | 06/18/05
I see your Fedora Torrent, and raise you Torrents for all distros!  Xunil_Sierutuf | 06/18/05
damn im happy to live outside that country  toxicfreak | 06/18/05
don't worry, that country will collapse within a year.  HypnoToad | 06/18/05
Well, at least Canada now allows private...  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
I saw a study too  voska | 06/20/05
:P  Protector | 06/20/05
Yellow Snow  TrustMe_z | 06/21/05
damage not proven  pesky_z | 06/18/05
Add to that, despite copy protection, refunds are not allowed.  HypnoToad | 06/18/05
Bogus argument with no basis in fact.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
Return policies exist for everything  voska | 06/20/05
Umm, maybe that's why sales are down  lengua99 | 06/25/05
I also have a problem with (filler) songs on a CD  Justcauz | 06/19/05
no one wants to hear...  linuxoverwindows | 06/22/05
money is a proxy for power...  jackbp73 | 06/22/05
I never said free  Justcauz | 06/22/05
No reason to *prove* damage.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
Different laws apply to the cases.  B.O.F.H. | 06/18/05
What's tresspassing have to do with it?  voska | 06/20/05
Simple...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
I think I just said that  voska | 06/20/05
Message has been deleted.  rogueOne | 06/18/05
Re: Justices to rule on fate of file-swapping  none none | 06/18/05
You're right.  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
They're missing a chance to retool.  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 06/18/05
This is starting to happen  Justcauz | 06/19/05
No one will be happy is my prediction.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
If by "restritions" you mean...  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
Yes and no...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
You're right about knowing content.  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
But what effect will this have  voska | 06/20/05
Re: But what effect will this have  none none | 06/20/05
Controling the product. True to an extent..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
There's public safety...  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
Typo  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
Not always...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
Re: Not always...  none none | 06/18/05
Re: Re:Not always...  none none | 06/18/05
Re: Controling the product. True to an extent..  none none | 06/18/05
Oh but no...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/18/05
Got a little off track  osreinstall | 06/18/05
Re: Oh but no...  none none | 06/18/05
Not quite  osreinstall | 06/18/05
The moment you say the p2p software providers...  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
What would that do to functionality?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/19/05
By your logic, Monti was right...  Anton Philidor | 06/19/05
Oh boy  Justcauz | 06/19/05
How much can they control?  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 06/18/05
The software can't control much.  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
Oh well, then they go broke.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/19/05
... and other software picks up the fallen banner.  Anton Philidor | 06/19/05
What about the free ones?  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 06/19/05
To take this to a logical conclusion...  B.O.F.H. | 06/19/05
Why Not  osreinstall | 06/19/05
This is just a rehash of betamax, though.  B.O.F.H. | 06/19/05
Betamax with a twist  osreinstall | 06/19/05
Don't think DRM is relevant to this.  B.O.F.H. | 06/20/05
DRM's goal  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Actually, the goal of DRM is...  B.O.F.H. | 06/20/05
DRM will protect them too.  osreinstall | 06/20/05
If a DRM PC can share content  voska | 06/20/05
Logic Man  osreinstall | 06/20/05
No boogey just a snake oil salesman  voska | 06/20/05
Smarter people than you disagree  osreinstall | 06/20/05
who cares about the hardware  voska | 06/20/05
It will be in the hardware & software  osreinstall | 06/20/05
DRM punishes the paying consumer  Protector | 06/20/05
It is my decision! Period, you have no say.  voska | 06/20/05
You are wrong!  osreinstall | 06/20/05
voska, what's the matter?  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Oh and  voska | 06/20/05
And another thing  osreinstall | 06/20/05
You got it exactly  voska | 06/20/05
But voska, that isn't my logic  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Meanwhile  voska | 06/20/05
I will  osreinstall | 06/20/05
I've got market data to support me  voska | 06/20/05
You know what Sam Clemons said  osreinstall | 06/20/05
Re: Why Not  none none | 06/20/05
You are not correct  osreinstall | 06/21/05
Re: To take this to a logical conclusion...  none none | 06/20/05
Controls  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/20/05
Fully automatic weapons can be sold  lengua99 | 06/25/05
Re: No one will be happy is my prediction.  none none | 06/18/05
You bring up an interesting point  rottweilerus | 06/19/05
And, it Snowballs . . . .  jukey48 | 06/22/05
No One Cares About Your Prediction Because It's Hollow And Baseless  itanalyst | 06/20/05
Stay tuned and be educated...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
Perhaps you need to be educated.  B.O.F.H. | 06/20/05
You Can't Educate A Robot  itanalyst | 06/20/05
Message has been deleted.  itanalyst | 06/20/05
About their use????  Tootz | 06/18/05
Someone who says, "I have nothing to hide..."  Anton Philidor | 06/18/05
The Issue May Be Moot  Rumpled_Foreskin | 06/18/05
Easy ways to avoid the "fake titles"  Teri1957 | 06/22/05
Punish the criminals, not service providers  steven.randolph@... | 06/20/05
And in turn punish the consumer!  Protector | 06/21/05
Downloading music is NOT theft!  Protector | 06/20/05
Downloading music is NOT theft!  Becks_z | 06/20/05
lost  Protector | 06/20/05
p2p pros  psychodave | 06/22/05
You argument makes littles sense  voska | 06/20/05
""Should software makers be responsible for illegal use of their software?"  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
Re: ""Should software makers be responsible for illegal use of their softwa  none none | 06/20/05
Are Ford responsible for the illegal use of their cars?  zd032237 | 06/27/05
Is anyone responsible for the illegal use of their product?  stephen0838_z | 07/05/05
It's a TOOL!  The PC Mechanic | 06/20/05
So is a fully automatic weapon, so is gasoline.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/20/05
Tool, or fuel?  The PC Mechanic | 06/20/05
When gun mfrs are responsible for murder  mlindl | 06/20/05
Even better!  grant@... | 06/22/05
So, Better Yet  jukey48 | 06/22/05
Responsibility  azroamer | 06/22/05
No_Ax you are lost  Protector | 06/20/05
Vinnym Is My New Hero  itanalyst | 06/20/05
Collateral Damage?  Doug@... | 06/21/05
The Pen, V8, Match, gun, & Computer  barrencross@... | 06/22/05
Punish the tool?  StuartN_z | 06/22/05
Suit over item instead of real source of problem.  barrencross@... | 06/22/05
RIAA / MPA responsible for film coApycat killings  TimGraves | 06/22/05
Don't forget to hold Chicago Cutlery responsible for illegal use of knives  SanfordOlson | 06/22/05
Lawyers should be responsible for the crimes of criminals that they free  jimyab | 06/22/05
shoe salesmen should be responsible too  pablito@... | 06/22/05
They can be  osreinstall | 06/22/05
Sure...  RatMcGee | 06/22/05
Software makers be responsible for illegal use of their product?  Cribman | 06/22/05
Holding software makers responsible for the use of their product  tswartz | 06/22/05
Justices to rule  stevem_001 | 06/22/05
Should Sears be responsible for burglaries?  Doescompute | 06/22/05
Illegal file swapping  agbulit_z | 06/22/05
If you hold ONE liable, you should hold them ALL  James Dean_z | 06/22/05
writing a ransom note using MS Word  pablito@... | 06/22/05
Make movies available on-line  genifycom | 06/22/05
Excuse me !!  Richie_z | 06/22/05
Since we are talking about the US.  werner.lefebvre@... | 06/22/05
It was Shakespeare  James Dean_z | 06/22/05
who is responsible  kdean@... | 06/22/05
sftware makker are responsible to the missuse of their stolen product?  alex@... | 06/22/05
Software makers be responsible for illegal use of their product?  tmoody4 | 06/22/05
Enough!  Teri1957 | 06/22/05
If file swapping is a crime, then Microsoft is a criminal  j1m2r3@... | 06/22/05
addendum to this message  j1m2r3@... | 06/22/05
Bank Robbery  millsd9@... | 06/22/05
what product cannot be used in an illegal or immoral way?  wordmaster1 | 06/22/05
Drunk Driving  pelle_z | 06/22/05
Are all cars required to have speed caps?  Nekow42 | 06/22/05
The RIAA and Labels Should Be Investigated  ctrent@... | 06/22/05
!  j1m2r3@... | 06/22/05
Dad's CD's  barrencross@... | 06/22/05
The Record Labels Are Not Paying The Artists  ctrent@... | 06/22/05
Holding S/W Companies Liable- NOT!!  Omnius | 06/22/05
Should software makers be responsible for illegal use of their software?  vaughn@... | 06/22/05
Ye Ole Slippery Slope  VIPERXX7 | 06/22/05
Software liability for illegal uses...  Jeff Hayes | 06/22/05
Hold software compaines responsible?  wwlawrence | 06/22/05
This is quite hilarious actually happy  Beejaybee | 06/22/05
Sorry about the typos btw happy  Beejaybee | 06/22/05
Software - File Swapping  algaatoz@... | 06/22/05
File Swapping  swc@... | 06/22/05
P to P  jlauder@... | 06/22/05
re: Holding Software Developers Liable  l_turn9 | 06/22/05
Illegal use or excessive price?  jolumoar | 06/22/05
download.com is illegal too then!  pescej | 06/22/05
Arrest Dole  lipl1 | 06/22/05
Justices to rule on File Swapping  461wa127 | 06/22/05
File-swapping  mdufilho@... | 06/22/05
Hold the Phone company responsible  norm@... | 06/22/05
Compared to other products...?  gonzodex | 06/22/05
Gunmakers are NOT liable if their product is used in a shooting  batavier | 06/22/05
Holding software developers responsible  peter.gibbons | 06/22/05
Liability of software makers for illegal uses of their products  petepratt@... | 06/22/05
Guns are used in murders everyday  Storm331 | 06/22/05
That's like blaming gun manufacturers for people killed with guns...  deratristar | 06/22/05
No  jkimball4@... | 06/22/05
All you file swappers miss the boat  osreinstall | 06/22/05
Hmm. So, Ares is okay in your book?  Nekow42 | 06/24/05
Not at all  osreinstall | 06/24/05
Protection? Like what?  Nekow42 | 06/24/05
You have to protect the author. What if you are one?  osreinstall | 06/24/05
DRM does not work.  Nekow42 | 06/24/05
DRM will work. If it didn't, you would ignore it.  osreinstall | 06/24/05
Death of the free internet RE:DRM will work.  Nekow42 | 06/24/05
Internet will not die - more openFUD!  osreinstall | 06/24/05
Umm, somewhat strange way of arguing...  Nekow42 | 06/26/05
The free files will be passed around like before on all machines.  osreinstall | 06/26/05
If the free files will be passed along...  Nekow42 | 06/29/05
Can only modify your stuff  osreinstall | 06/29/05
All DRM has an unpreventable flaw.  Nekow42 | 06/29/05
Analog all you want  osreinstall | 06/29/05
As long as they do....  Nekow42 | 06/29/05
Not as bad as some folks think  osreinstall | 06/29/05
And that is what...  Nekow42 | 06/30/05
What can I say  osreinstall | 06/30/05
Come on, what the hell next?  Irritated User | 06/22/05
Will the libraries have to close?  stpatrick1956@... | 06/22/05
You're right Buddy! Welcome to the third wave of Fascism  Irritated User | 06/22/05
If you make then responcible then the 1st admenmendant is useless  grayfrier | 06/22/05
Level the Playing Field  bill@... | 06/22/05
Hmmm, sounds familiar.  wolfsouls | 06/22/05
Where does the buck stop?  wolfsouls | 06/22/05
Unambiguous Evidence of Harm  bill@... | 06/22/05
software makers responsible for ILLEGAL use of software??  marysob@... | 06/22/05
Absolutely NOT!!!!  DrivenOG | 06/22/05
Isn't that kind of like  Crestview | 06/22/05
who to sue  burtonfrost@... | 06/22/05
30 yrs of buying Music  40yr_Old_Music_Freak | 06/22/05
No manufactures not libal  rafcaf1975 | 06/22/05
software  jolliroger | 06/22/05
Penalize manufacturers for misuse?  amnot | 06/22/05
What's next? Other mfg's watch out!  Storageman | 06/22/05
Whats' next  neubauerr@... | 06/22/05
Software Maker's Responsibility  CAmudgeon | 06/22/05
Should software mfg. be responsible for their product  jrizzuto | 06/22/05
If a bank robbery is committed in a Chevy, do you charge GM with the crime?  szeoli | 06/22/05
Use the Licensing Agreements  fawkestar3 | 06/22/05
Should software makers be responsible for the use of their software?  dalton35 | 06/22/05
Software Mfg. subject to prosecution due to illegal use of software, IE: FS  dvaeason | 06/22/05
Of course, it makes perfect sense.  rasman | 06/23/05
Pls be fair to software vendors  milinshah@... | 06/23/05
What a farcial ruling to make!  tgreenfield | 06/23/05
Not responsible for the use of their product  Dr_Zinj | 06/23/05
software NO , hardware YES  charlescandy | 06/23/05
any difference than bullets are responsible for shooting deaths?  opatzg@... | 06/23/05
On Having A Clear Conscience  yurthlr@... | 06/23/05
File swapping  baileyfe@... | 06/23/05
Hollywood Greedheads- The Technological Taliban  dahnb | 06/23/05
American Justice is easily bought by private businesses  scotasys | 06/23/05
Prosecute to the full extent of the law...  jbert | 06/23/05
Lop-sided copyright  peterwoof01 | 06/23/05
Region codes, etc.  barrencross@... | 06/30/05
copywrite laws  jackflan@... | 06/23/05
It all depends on your viewpoint...  flared0ne | 06/24/05
Hate it when that happens  flared0ne | 06/24/05
arrggghh...  flared0ne | 06/24/05
Should software makers be resonsable for when ?  Freedomis#1 | 06/24/05
Guilty Software Makers  jbkraut | 06/24/05
A retort to the "questionable" statement...  Mr. Tinker | 06/24/05
Original software makers should reduce the price  vsraman51 | 06/24/05
responsibilities  sowotsup | 06/25/05
They are making the internet like everything else  sueconcord | 06/27/05
no, the future is to men and technic  jokl-123 | 06/28/05

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