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you do not compensate them by watching commercials, subscribing to a premium tv service, or pay for dvd's you are definately infringing their copywrite.

the issue is not you downloading it- but that you upload it to 10,000 other people while you download it.

the content providers need to get with the program and provide legal torrents for a reasonable fee.

But it's going to be a red queen's race to shut torrents down. they are still completely legal in some countries and as soon as bit torrent was shut down- if it could be- another method will come up (Mute looks interesting as a completely anonymous p2p- there are others).

It's one thing to stick it to the man and take things- it's another to delude yourself. You do that enough you can step over the line and get in big trouble. So keep yourself grounded in reality- avoid getting in fights with people who carry uzi's or have millions of dollars a year to sue you into oblivion and buy laws.

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That being said- they have broken the social contract with us by doing things like:
1) extending copyright from a reasonable period to "forever"
2) taking uncopyrighted material and rereleasing it so it can be copyrighted.
3) screwing millions of employees out of their pensions and benefits while they keep all the money.
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So pick your fights and your principles. Realize that most of what you think is "right" or "wrong" is propaganda fed to you by the media machines they own. And don't forget to wear sunscreen.
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Yea, right... piracy..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
Fortunately, courts don't think it's a moot point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
Reality is, they can't stop it..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
You don't control it either  osreinstall | 05/12/05
You sadly mistake "anything" with "downloads TV shows"  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
You are confused  osreinstall | 05/12/05
All I see is torrent site falling down and being sued to death.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
I can do more than say it.. http://www.torrentreactor.to/index.php  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
Dead link... Buwahahahahaha  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
It's still up over here.. you sure it's not getting blocked..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
They use PeerGuardian to block evil **AA people..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
I must be blocked to  osreinstall | 05/12/05
Yea, I'm a dingbat who knows how to use a browser..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
Should have had more patience with your url - http://www.torrentreactor.to  osreinstall | 05/12/05
not dead.  maxo_z | 05/12/05
No, you don't.  ericscher | 06/04/09
Canadians have it right  ringleader | 05/13/05
Does "Over the line of common sense" mean anything?  nucrash | 05/12/05
Are you that confused???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
And how is that pirating?  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
Pirating is giving it away too  osreinstall | 05/12/05
What a Crock.....  nucrash | 05/12/05
Let me explain ownership to you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
Re: Let me explain ownership to you.  none none | 05/12/05
Blah, blah, blah, If I control it, who cares?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
Possesion is 90% of the law..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
They DO give it away  nicepants | 05/16/05
Every business model has its terms  osreinstall | 05/12/05
So let's go back in time  stevo20x | 05/12/05
Lets go back to the dinosaurs  osreinstall | 05/12/05
But with VHS  nucrash | 05/12/05
Not the same story.  osreinstall | 05/12/05
Just responding to a bunch of what if scenerios  osreinstall | 05/12/05
What is the difference?  nucrash | 05/12/05
You created a file for him  osreinstall | 05/12/05
Like share Tyson vs. Holyfield fights?  9Nails | 05/12/05
Again, fortunately the courts say you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
Pot, Kettle, Black..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
Can you say Strawman?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
Umm... No  nucrash | 05/12/05
Ummm, YES. Turn over ALL your servrs and lists.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
Funny how this was for Movies and Music  nucrash | 05/13/05
Yes if...  maxo_z | 05/12/05
throw away shows  Nullifidian | 05/12/05
Simply not true.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
I did the same thing.. only I downloaded a current episode first..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
So you are a pirate  osreinstall | 05/12/05
Jump to conclusions much?  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
Not Really  osreinstall | 05/12/05
Good, I hope you make that known to the MPAA.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
And I will tell them your friend illegally broadcasted it to you..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
Oh wait, they won't believe me.. about the friends part  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
Ain't happening? Are yoiu living in a cave?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
Good thing I live on planet Earth..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/12/05
Showtime should thank Kazaa  stanleymwc@... | 05/12/05
Showtime should thank Kazaa  stanleymwc@... | 05/12/05
You're simply full of it  Nullifidian | 05/13/05
Double edged sword  tic swayback | 05/12/05
TV Show DVD sales are too expensive!  9Nails | 05/12/05
What a crock  samcurry@... | 05/12/05
Yes your excuse is a crock...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
a little touchy aren't you?  samcurry@... | 05/12/05
Again, you confuse PERSONAL and P2P "sharing".  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
please tell me  XUserX04 | 05/13/05
Well, they're trying  tic swayback | 05/12/05
tic, I agree with you on that one.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
TV is the gutter of entertainment  ibabadur1 | 05/12/05
Hmmm, then why steal it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
Give it up.  ibabadur1 | 05/12/05
Were you trying to make a point? Is that point  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/12/05
snore  cybershoplifter | 05/13/05
Maybe the legal way is not fair??  pnrav1 | 05/16/05
There's a few good ones  emcee_z | 05/12/05
I mean Family Guy is great-nt  emcee_z | 05/12/05
MST3K illustrates copyright problems  tic swayback | 05/12/05
Yeah, kind of a shame  emcee_z | 05/12/05
Totally agree here.- if they won't publish it- they should lose copyright.  maxo_z | 05/13/05
i got 1  XUserX04 | 05/13/05
Here we go again  Nigel Johnstone | 05/12/05
What's so valuable???  jmullenb | 05/12/05
They already recouped their money....  icorson1 | 05/12/05
not true any more  maxo_z | 05/12/05
I Like d/l tv shows, movies and music  cybershoplifter | 05/12/05
99 cent TV Downloads  dingletec_z | 05/12/05
return to the basics  zarahemlite | 05/12/05
I was performing my patriotic duty... happy  stanleymwc@... | 05/12/05
I have been FORCED to watch TV for the past couple weeks  Squawkbox | 05/12/05
Are you serious?  vschutte83e | 05/12/05
study legal history  ab@... | 05/12/05
My life is better now actually...  porco556 | 05/13/05
Let me get this straight  ab@... | 05/12/05
Old arguments for new technologies  ab@... | 05/12/05
The answers to the problems are so simple  PBoiIceBerg | 05/15/05
What about foreigners?  befb | 05/13/05
What about foreigners? Germany for example  reallythedude | 05/15/05
tv show  syd2k4 | 05/15/05
I agree  jac163 | 05/17/05
TV companies need to rethink their strategies  keith.hall1@... | 05/13/05
Totally silly  PatrynXX | 05/13/05
Can't 'pirate' free stuff  timble | 05/13/05
Illogical to ban TV downloads from a financial perpective  wvari | 05/13/05
SO TRUE and for USA to see stuff overseas  cybershoplifter | 05/13/05
MPAA's moving backward to win a war DUMD!!  cybershoplifter | 05/13/05
What's a dumd? -nt  emcee_z | 05/14/05
dat would be dumb  cybershoplifter | 05/14/05
MPAA is stupid  ITPaladin | 05/13/05
Copyrites  crapstar | 05/13/05
This is the only thing keeping me interested!  porco556 | 05/13/05
Downloading TV helps me buy DVDs  cybershoplifter | 05/13/05
What a strange coincidence  mitchlinguist | 05/13/05
will we have to start wiping our tapes as well??  zeckman1138 | 05/13/05
Broadcast signals  d92377 | 05/13/05
Why don't they......  0zon3 | 05/13/05
Isn't TV free?  thestalkingfile | 05/13/05
With commercials, yes. But, and you'll like this,  HypnoToad | 05/13/05
It's all a bit silly.  HypnoToad | 05/13/05
read this  XUserX04 | 05/13/05
Copying TV Programs  TeddyP | 05/14/05
MPAA and TV downloads  Edumicator | 05/14/05
Why I download TV Shows?  lillylovelost | 05/14/05
TIVO allows TV download sharing  D-MAN_z | 05/14/05
What action can financially hurt the MPAA ?  Anne-O | 05/15/05
Legal Downloads!!!  chattam | 05/15/05
I am up for FREE legal download!  pnrav1 | 05/16/05
they broadcast the shows over the public airways plus you can TIVO it  bsmiths | 05/16/05
Shows not shown in a particular country..  jac163 | 05/16/05
TV for our troops  Wombatrugby | 05/16/05
agreed  Kayl | 06/03/05
Love!!  shijua | 05/17/05
The Real MPAA  tyrone@... | 05/18/05
This is a racket!  sick&tired | 05/18/05
Think about this for a moment...  Firestryke | 05/18/05
Stupid TV networks need to adapt  dj9999 | 05/18/05
Does downloading TV shows constitute "piracy"?  JoeBloggs | 05/18/05
MPAA Crap  davisaurus | 05/20/05
DLing: Greed or Reality?  A4Twntyguy | 07/29/05
TV DOWN LOADS STEALING?  gaaaaaah | 10/09/06

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