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what?: Apple only has 70%ish of the market, and tons of money in the bank with basically no debt... what the heck are you talking about?; Posted by: doh123 Posted on: 07/29/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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The DMCA abused again! Tim Patterson | 07/29/04

Re: The DMCA abused again! PottHead | 07/29/04

but where is the DMCA violation? ryusen | 07/29/04

Playing The Same Hand ParadigmOdyssey | 07/30/04

Actually ParadigmOdyssey | 07/30/04

Really? tgrady | 07/30/04

Vendor lock-in? How... mzarra | 07/29/04

It is vendor lock-in voska | 07/29/04

Definately Not. ollie_z | 07/29/04

Apple is not wrong... ryusen | 07/29/04

True... ollie_z | 07/30/04

Apple didn't write the DMCA BitTwiddler | 07/29/04

your kidding right? ryusen | 07/29/04

The DMCA was designed to combat copyright infringement voska | 07/29/04

DCMA and DRM Should Be Illegal baceman007 | 09/13/08

Companies run for legal cover PmAc_z | 07/29/04

Go, go DMCA!!! Jomo_z | 07/29/04

what? doh123 | 07/29/04

How are there management stupid? dave95 | 07/29/04

not stupid, but lame... ryusen | 07/29/04

Why should Apple care what I put on my I-POD? voska | 07/29/04

The answer is quite simple why Apple cares... mlindl | 07/29/04

I find the opposite actually voska | 07/30/04

Poor argument johnnyu | 07/30/04

Not A Very Intelligent Statement xero11 | 07/29/04

My reply d_jedi | 07/29/04

You Make A Good Point . . . xero11 | 07/29/04

Eww WMP files. Rick_K | 07/29/04

Its backwards engineering, not hacking johnnyu | 07/30/04

It's hard not to laugh Chad_z | 07/29/04

Apple is not a monopoly mzarra | 07/29/04

monopoly no, anti competitive yes prong@... | 07/29/04

You need to stop smoking that crack Rick_K | 07/29/04

Apple lax57_z | 08/01/04

Depends on how you define the market rapson | 07/29/04

I knew the DMCA would come up Arrg | 07/29/04

something is wrong with the ipod? doh123 | 07/29/04

There is something wrong with iTunes AbsolutelyNot | 07/29/04

something wrong will ALL music players... ryusen | 07/29/04

So all your music... ollie_z | 07/29/04

I use itunes Arrg | 07/29/04

They will when the can't get song X voska | 07/29/04

is everyone jumping the gun? doh123 | 07/29/04

Not if Apple follows in MicroSoft's footsteps! kd5auq | 07/29/04

I can say it, do you know what it means? mzarra | 07/29/04

Huzzah! ollie_z | 07/29/04

Merriam-Webster says AbsolutelyNot | 07/29/04

Flame Bait nomorems | 07/29/04

Hey TechDiva rapson | 07/29/04

that's nothing... ryusen | 07/29/04

Monopoly middle of nowhere | 07/29/04

I'm 'stunned' at Apple's response d_jedi | 07/29/04

I agree 100%! worknman | 07/29/04

Again they are protecting their business! dave95 | 07/29/04

I think it's a bad choice worknman | 07/29/04

Here's a novel concept dave95 | 07/29/04

i don't care what their reasons are... ryusen | 07/29/04

I guess...ah, whatever! ollie_z | 07/30/04

re: ryusen | 07/30/04

Sounds familar lengua99 | 08/09/04

For ZZ & Leguna (did I spell that right?) ollie_z | 08/10/04

How about Rick_K | 07/29/04

History johnnyu | 07/30/04

I'll Agree el1jones | 07/29/04

Just imagine AbsolutelyNot | 07/29/04

OK... Yen_z | 07/29/04

Correction... Yen_z | 07/29/04

in this case... ryusen | 07/29/04

If Apple refused to help then Real is clear of the DMCA voska | 07/29/04

Can we say IM battle? kb0old1978 | 07/29/04

Apple (the pot) Microsoft (the kettle) Alpha_Female | 07/29/04

What has MS to do with this in any way? No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04

Elementary my dear Watson Squawkbox | 07/29/04

Microsoft's fault BruceWheelock@... | 07/29/04

OMG he said Gigli Squawkbox | 07/29/04

You're both off-base Fred Fredrickson | 07/29/04

Fred Fred Fred calm down I am not attacking Apple Squawkbox | 07/29/04

Actually it was Apple who did that voska | 07/29/04

Same ole same ole FilledOut | 07/29/04

Neither is yours.. d_jedi | 07/29/04

Whoops! d_jedi | 07/29/04

Why doesn't Real create it's own market? No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04

There you go again.. d_jedi | 07/29/04

Gotta agree with Ax TWRX | 07/29/04

I'm sorry, but this is NOT beneficial ... worknman | 07/29/04

Everything in life is give and take...especially business Laff | 07/29/04

Poor Excuse nikoli | 07/29/04

Only time will tell..At this point it does not seem Laff | 07/29/04

NO its not! dave95 | 07/29/04

Look at it this way ... worknman | 07/29/04

$.99 tunes going away? AbsolutelyNot | 07/29/04

Look at it from a different perspective... Laff | 07/29/04

oerhaps, but... ryusen | 07/29/04

Ah..but what percentage are we talking about here? Laff | 07/30/04

re: laff ryusen | 07/30/04

It's called choice? No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04

Here is the difference ... worknman | 07/29/04

Well traveling to another store... Laff | 07/29/04

Again, so what? No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04

Yes but you can buy food elsewhere voska | 07/29/04

Lousy argument quietLee | 07/29/04

Duh johnnyu | 07/30/04

The iPod also plays... Rick_K | 07/29/04

but... ryusen | 07/29/04

So why is this Apple's fault alone? Does not Laff | 07/30/04

Because of the response johnnyu | 07/30/04

listen to my real argument... ryusen | 07/30/04

Just for you... No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04

and so? ryusen | 07/29/04

Hogwash... No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04

what belongs to apple... ryusen | 07/30/04

STOP THIS ZZ!! You are having me agree with AX Laff | 07/30/04

Isn't that exactly how capitolism normally works? voska | 07/30/04

Like I said "The two extremes are wrong" Laff | 07/30/04

re: pepsi and coke... ryusen | 07/30/04

ok.. let's get one thing clear... ryusen | 07/30/04

They did. BUT, James T. Kirk | 07/29/04

Real has made big mistakes.. d_jedi | 07/29/04

Amen. (NT) James T. Kirk | 07/29/04

not that you are concerned with the consumer at all... ryusen | 07/29/04

Bzzzztttt. Wrong (As usual) No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04

True but wouldn't it be nice voska | 07/30/04

It would be nice if everyone just got along too... Laff | 07/30/04

is your only method of debate ryusen | 07/30/04

Corporations do that all the time voska | 07/29/04

I called this the other day prong@... | 07/29/04

People are forgetting the point Bill_gates_Is_SATAN | 07/29/04

Uhh...probably because... KOS-MOS | 07/29/04

Why no winamp ibabadur1 | 07/29/04

Say what? KOS-MOS | 07/29/04

but... ryusen | 07/29/04

WINAMP is the best Bill_gates_Is_SATAN | 07/30/04

Pardon me? Counselor_Beep | 07/29/04

Please get a sense of humor Bill_gates_Is_SATAN | 07/30/04

Who said anything about MAC? Bill_gates_Is_SATAN | 07/30/04

Apple's response is puzzling... LongShipUser | 07/29/04

My iPod doesn't belong to Apple interlocutor | 07/29/04

Couldn't Agree More nikoli | 07/29/04

Apple is making a Big Mac of a Mistake! Counselor_Beep | 07/29/04

You might want to check your facts. Rick_K | 07/29/04

MS only wants MS software to run on Windows nomorems | 07/29/04

Not true rapson | 07/29/04

Apple iPod is a fad ibabadur1 | 07/29/04

Apple should sue TWRX | 07/29/04

Of course, you're right ... worknman | 07/29/04

Sorry dude but Apple is no charity.... Laff | 07/29/04

True, But That's Where The Argument Starts nikoli | 07/29/04

That depends..If Apple can increase it's song selection Laff | 07/29/04

What If Your Entire Music Library... nikoli | 07/29/04

Again what percentage of potential customers Laff | 07/30/04

Apple's being foolish voska | 07/29/04

IBM was foolish not to protect her PC hardware tech Laff | 07/30/04

Goofed up contract voska | 07/30/04

look at your profit arguement... ryusen | 07/29/04

Easy Answer nikoli | 07/29/04

Job's ego is a double edges sword..... Laff | 07/30/04

i would... ryusen | 07/30/04

Apple Should Get Over It Yehuda Mann | 07/29/04

have you been payign attention? ryusen | 07/29/04

People with sucky technology supoman | 07/29/04

Why Apple And Their iPod S*ck Balls nikoli | 07/29/04

Um..unlike many CD players ..the iPod is mobile Laff | 07/29/04

Maybe because you aren't thinking nikoli | 07/29/04

Yeah I have 3 portable CD players voska | 07/29/04

Nikoli..gumba! We both seem to be missing each others point Laff | 07/30/04

My point voska | 07/30/04

I agree with your point with one simple variation. Laff | 07/30/04

These LIcensing Deals... johnnyu | 07/30/04

weak johnnyu | 07/30/04

Not challenged nomorems | 07/29/04

What about wma files? Rick_K | 07/29/04

THEY don't understand? JimmyJames | 07/30/04

Apple fans tend to get blind over apple justoneperson | 07/29/04

A better example would be ... worknman | 07/29/04

Good one - software is for hardware justoneperson | 07/29/04

Yet MS does this all the time. Rick_K | 07/29/04

You are correct alterego_z | 07/29/04

That's right justoneperson | 07/29/04

Isn't that what other companies do? justoneperson | 07/29/04

Apple don't be Microsoft nograin | 07/29/04

No they aren't. gordon@... | 07/29/04

Large corporate or not! dave95 | 07/29/04

Is it lunacy, ignorance,... MacCanuck | 07/29/04

It's probably a bit of both justoneperson | 07/29/04

I guess you don't own an iPod Rick_K | 07/29/04

A few things wrong with that... rafe01 | 07/30/04

hypocrite gordon@... | 07/29/04

Response ... worknman | 07/29/04

This bears repeating.... MacVet | 07/29/04

So you're saying ... worknman | 07/29/04

Conversions MacVet | 07/29/04

The latest version of iTunes Rick_K | 07/29/04

unless zijiang | 07/29/04

not the point... rafe01 | 07/29/04

You got a single point correct. No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/30/04

No clue johnnyu | 07/30/04

yeah but... rafe01 | 07/30/04

It's not the player at issue AbsolutelyNot | 07/29/04

ipod hack or legit programming? justoneperson | 07/29/04

...ummm...it might do... rafe01 | 07/29/04

Research.... justoneperson | 07/29/04

Thanks for noticing.. rafe01 | 07/30/04

Go figure JimmyJames | 07/29/04

Some what ifs for your lack of insight johnnyu | 07/30/04

oh come on NoMac | 07/29/04

To "NoMac" MacVet | 07/29/04

iRiver is just a less elegant iPod clone Germanicus | 07/29/04

Need age limit before someone post! dave95 | 07/29/04

No Mac and MacVet are the same guy right? justoneperson | 07/29/04

Apple is not wrong to defend it's product balsover | 07/29/04

So what about... rapson | 07/29/04

Depends on the license agreement balsover | 07/29/04

No license for products you buy and own voska | 07/29/04

Can't say balsover | 07/29/04

You still don't get it... mlynch1234 | 07/30/04

Obviously have no clue on copyrights voska | 07/30/04

Licence not the issue rafe01 | 07/30/04

Different issue Fred Fredrickson | 07/29/04

are you sure? ryusen | 07/30/04

...that's the rub rafe01 | 07/30/04

It's not about Open Source or not voska | 07/29/04

Then don't buy them balsover | 07/29/04

I refuse to buy any of them voska | 07/29/04

open source balsover | 07/29/04

Still what does that have to with Open Source? voska | 07/30/04

Apples, Oranges, Strawberries, and the music they listen too... nomorems | 07/29/04

iPod just jumped the shark! ejhonda | 07/29/04

A great set of arguments Len Rooney | 07/29/04

now wash your mouth out with soap and water... rafe01 | 07/30/04

Typical ParadigmOdyssey | 07/30/04

Business Models John Carroll

| 07/30/04

*THE* key point ot your post. No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/30/04

So Brilliant johnnyu | 07/30/04

you forgot... ryusen | 07/30/04

This isn't new for Apple business 101 FilledOut | 07/30/04

DMCA strikes again... jwschull@... | 07/30/04

WOW voska | 07/30/04

Well, people are passionate this stuff....and iPods dave95 | 07/30/04

A monopoly is a monoply no matter what the size. kd5auq | 07/30/04

It's BetaMax and Macintosh OS all over again marmocida | 07/30/04

last comment best... rafe01 | 07/30/04

This is Why I'll Never Own Proprietary Player! Miint | 07/31/04

except its not Apple and MS rafe01 | 07/31/04

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