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The DMCA abused again!
Kudos to Real for breaking Apple's proprietary lock-in.

So now Apple is looking to abusing the DMCA to stifle competition. Just another reason why this sick-and-wrong law should be repealed.
Posted by: Tim Patterson   Posted on: 07/29/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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The DMCA abused again!  Tim Patterson | 07/29/04
Re: The DMCA abused again!  PottHead | 07/29/04
but where is the DMCA violation?  ryusen | 07/29/04
Playing The Same Hand  ParadigmOdyssey | 07/30/04
Actually  ParadigmOdyssey | 07/30/04
Really?  tgrady | 07/30/04
Vendor lock-in? How...  mzarra | 07/29/04
It is vendor lock-in  voska | 07/29/04
Definately Not.  ollie_z | 07/29/04
Apple is not wrong...  ryusen | 07/29/04
True...  ollie_z | 07/30/04
Apple didn't write the DMCA  BitTwiddler | 07/29/04
your kidding right?  ryusen | 07/29/04
The DMCA was designed to combat copyright infringement  voska | 07/29/04
DCMA and DRM Should Be Illegal  baceman007 | 09/13/08
Companies run for legal cover  PmAc_z | 07/29/04
Go, go DMCA!!!  Jomo_z | 07/29/04
what?  doh123 | 07/29/04
How are there management stupid?  dave95 | 07/29/04
not stupid, but lame...  ryusen | 07/29/04
Why should Apple care what I put on my I-POD?  voska | 07/29/04
The answer is quite simple why Apple cares...  mlindl | 07/29/04
I find the opposite actually  voska | 07/30/04
Poor argument  johnnyu | 07/30/04
Not A Very Intelligent Statement  xero11 | 07/29/04
My reply  d_jedi | 07/29/04
You Make A Good Point . . .  xero11 | 07/29/04
Eww WMP files.  Rick_K | 07/29/04
Its backwards engineering, not hacking  johnnyu | 07/30/04
It's hard not to laugh  Chad_z | 07/29/04
Apple is not a monopoly  mzarra | 07/29/04
monopoly no, anti competitive yes  prong@... | 07/29/04
You need to stop smoking that crack  Rick_K | 07/29/04
Apple  lax57_z | 08/01/04
Depends on how you define the market  rapson | 07/29/04
I knew the DMCA would come up  Arrg | 07/29/04
something is wrong with the ipod?  doh123 | 07/29/04
There is something wrong with iTunes  AbsolutelyNot | 07/29/04
something wrong will ALL music players...  ryusen | 07/29/04
So all your music...  ollie_z | 07/29/04
I use itunes  Arrg | 07/29/04
They will when the can't get song X  voska | 07/29/04
is everyone jumping the gun?  doh123 | 07/29/04
Not if Apple follows in MicroSoft's footsteps!  kd5auq | 07/29/04
I can say it, do you know what it means?  mzarra | 07/29/04
Huzzah!  ollie_z | 07/29/04
Merriam-Webster says  AbsolutelyNot | 07/29/04
Flame Bait  nomorems | 07/29/04
Hey TechDiva  rapson | 07/29/04
that's nothing...  ryusen | 07/29/04
Monopoly  middle of nowhere | 07/29/04
I'm 'stunned' at Apple's response  d_jedi | 07/29/04
I agree 100%!  worknman | 07/29/04
Again they are protecting their business!  dave95 | 07/29/04
I think it's a bad choice  worknman | 07/29/04
Here's a novel concept  dave95 | 07/29/04
i don't care what their reasons are...  ryusen | 07/29/04
I guess...ah, whatever!  ollie_z | 07/30/04
re:  ryusen | 07/30/04
Sounds familar  lengua99 | 08/09/04
For ZZ & Leguna (did I spell that right?)  ollie_z | 08/10/04
How about  Rick_K | 07/29/04
History  johnnyu | 07/30/04
I'll Agree  el1jones | 07/29/04
Just imagine  AbsolutelyNot | 07/29/04
OK...  Yen_z | 07/29/04
Correction...  Yen_z | 07/29/04
in this case...  ryusen | 07/29/04
If Apple refused to help then Real is clear of the DMCA  voska | 07/29/04
Can we say IM battle?  kb0old1978 | 07/29/04
Apple (the pot) Microsoft (the kettle)  Alpha_Female | 07/29/04
What has MS to do with this in any way?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04
Elementary my dear Watson  Squawkbox | 07/29/04
Microsoft's fault  BruceWheelock@... | 07/29/04
OMG he said Gigli  Squawkbox | 07/29/04
You're both off-base  Fred Fredrickson | 07/29/04
Fred Fred Fred calm down I am not attacking Apple  Squawkbox | 07/29/04
Actually it was Apple who did that  voska | 07/29/04
Same ole same ole  FilledOut | 07/29/04
Neither is yours..  d_jedi | 07/29/04
Whoops!  d_jedi | 07/29/04
Why doesn't Real create it's own market?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04
There you go again..  d_jedi | 07/29/04
Gotta agree with Ax  TWRX | 07/29/04
I'm sorry, but this is NOT beneficial ...  worknman | 07/29/04
Everything in life is give and take...especially business  Laff | 07/29/04
Poor Excuse  nikoli | 07/29/04
Only time will tell..At this point it does not seem  Laff | 07/29/04
NO its not!  dave95 | 07/29/04
Look at it this way ...  worknman | 07/29/04
$.99 tunes going away?  AbsolutelyNot | 07/29/04
Look at it from a different perspective...  Laff | 07/29/04
oerhaps, but...  ryusen | 07/29/04
Ah..but what percentage are we talking about here?  Laff | 07/30/04
re: laff  ryusen | 07/30/04
It's called choice?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04
Here is the difference ...  worknman | 07/29/04
Well traveling to another store...  Laff | 07/29/04
Again, so what?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04
Yes but you can buy food elsewhere  voska | 07/29/04
Lousy argument  quietLee | 07/29/04
Duh  johnnyu | 07/30/04
The iPod also plays...  Rick_K | 07/29/04
but...  ryusen | 07/29/04
So why is this Apple's fault alone? Does not  Laff | 07/30/04
Because of the response  johnnyu | 07/30/04
listen to my real argument...  ryusen | 07/30/04
Just for you...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04
and so?  ryusen | 07/29/04
Hogwash...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04
what belongs to apple...  ryusen | 07/30/04
STOP THIS ZZ!! You are having me agree with AX  Laff | 07/30/04
Isn't that exactly how capitolism normally works?  voska | 07/30/04
Like I said "The two extremes are wrong"  Laff | 07/30/04
re: pepsi and coke...  ryusen | 07/30/04
ok.. let's get one thing clear...  ryusen | 07/30/04
They did. BUT,  James T. Kirk | 07/29/04
Real has made big mistakes..  d_jedi | 07/29/04
Amen. (NT)  James T. Kirk | 07/29/04
not that you are concerned with the consumer at all...  ryusen | 07/29/04
Bzzzztttt. Wrong (As usual)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/29/04
True but wouldn't it be nice  voska | 07/30/04
It would be nice if everyone just got along too...  Laff | 07/30/04
is your only method of debate  ryusen | 07/30/04
Corporations do that all the time  voska | 07/29/04
I called this the other day  prong@... | 07/29/04
People are forgetting the point  Bill_gates_Is_SATAN | 07/29/04
Uhh...probably because...  KOS-MOS | 07/29/04
Why no winamp  ibabadur1 | 07/29/04
Say what?  KOS-MOS | 07/29/04
but...  ryusen | 07/29/04
WINAMP is the best  Bill_gates_Is_SATAN | 07/30/04
Pardon me?  Counselor_Beep | 07/29/04
Please get a sense of humor  Bill_gates_Is_SATAN | 07/30/04
Who said anything about MAC?  Bill_gates_Is_SATAN | 07/30/04
Apple's response is puzzling...  LongShipUser | 07/29/04
My iPod doesn't belong to Apple  interlocutor | 07/29/04
Couldn't Agree More  nikoli | 07/29/04
Apple is making a Big Mac of a Mistake!  Counselor_Beep | 07/29/04
You might want to check your facts.  Rick_K | 07/29/04
MS only wants MS software to run on Windows  nomorems | 07/29/04
Not true  rapson | 07/29/04
Apple iPod is a fad  ibabadur1 | 07/29/04
Apple should sue  TWRX | 07/29/04
Of course, you're right ...  worknman | 07/29/04
Sorry dude but Apple is no charity....  Laff | 07/29/04
True, But That's Where The Argument Starts  nikoli | 07/29/04
That depends..If Apple can increase it's song selection  Laff | 07/29/04
What If Your Entire Music Library...  nikoli | 07/29/04
Again what percentage of potential customers  Laff | 07/30/04
Apple's being foolish  voska | 07/29/04
IBM was foolish not to protect her PC hardware tech  Laff | 07/30/04
Goofed up contract  voska | 07/30/04
look at your profit arguement...  ryusen | 07/29/04
Easy Answer  nikoli | 07/29/04
Job's ego is a double edges sword.....  Laff | 07/30/04
i would...  ryusen | 07/30/04
Apple Should Get Over It  Yehuda Mann | 07/29/04
have you been payign attention?  ryusen | 07/29/04
People with sucky technology  supoman | 07/29/04
Why Apple And Their iPod S*ck Balls  nikoli | 07/29/04
Um..unlike many CD players ..the iPod is mobile  Laff | 07/29/04
Maybe because you aren't thinking  nikoli | 07/29/04
Yeah I have 3 portable CD players  voska | 07/29/04
Nikoli..gumba! We both seem to be missing each others point  Laff | 07/30/04
My point  voska | 07/30/04
I agree with your point with one simple variation.  Laff | 07/30/04
These LIcensing Deals...  johnnyu | 07/30/04
weak  johnnyu | 07/30/04
Not challenged  nomorems | 07/29/04
What about wma files?  Rick_K | 07/29/04
THEY don't understand?  JimmyJames | 07/30/04
Apple fans tend to get blind over apple  justoneperson | 07/29/04
A better example would be ...  worknman | 07/29/04
Good one - software is for hardware  justoneperson | 07/29/04
Yet MS does this all the time.  Rick_K | 07/29/04
You are correct  alterego_z | 07/29/04
That's right  justoneperson | 07/29/04
Isn't that what other companies do?  justoneperson | 07/29/04
Apple don't be Microsoft  nograin | 07/29/04
No they aren't.  gordon@... | 07/29/04
Large corporate or not!  dave95 | 07/29/04
Is it lunacy, ignorance,...  MacCanuck | 07/29/04
It's probably a bit of both  justoneperson | 07/29/04
I guess you don't own an iPod  Rick_K | 07/29/04
A few things wrong with that...  rafe01 | 07/30/04
hypocrite  gordon@... | 07/29/04
Response ...  worknman | 07/29/04
Response ...  worknman | 07/29/04
This bears repeating....  MacVet | 07/29/04
So you're saying ...  worknman | 07/29/04
Conversions  MacVet | 07/29/04
The latest version of iTunes  Rick_K | 07/29/04
unless  zijiang | 07/29/04
not the point...  rafe01 | 07/29/04
You got a single point correct.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/30/04
No clue  johnnyu | 07/30/04
yeah but...  rafe01 | 07/30/04
It's not the player at issue  AbsolutelyNot | 07/29/04
ipod hack or legit programming?  justoneperson | 07/29/04
...ummm...it might do...  rafe01 | 07/29/04
Research....  justoneperson | 07/29/04
Thanks for noticing..  rafe01 | 07/30/04
Go figure  JimmyJames | 07/29/04
Some what ifs for your lack of insight  johnnyu | 07/30/04
oh come on  NoMac | 07/29/04
To "NoMac"  MacVet | 07/29/04
iRiver is just a less elegant iPod clone  Germanicus | 07/29/04
Need age limit before someone post!  dave95 | 07/29/04
No Mac and MacVet are the same guy right?  justoneperson | 07/29/04
Apple is not wrong to defend it's product  balsover | 07/29/04
So what about...  rapson | 07/29/04
Depends on the license agreement  balsover | 07/29/04
No license for products you buy and own  voska | 07/29/04
Can't say  balsover | 07/29/04
You still don't get it...  mlynch1234 | 07/30/04
Obviously have no clue on copyrights  voska | 07/30/04
Licence not the issue  rafe01 | 07/30/04
Different issue  Fred Fredrickson | 07/29/04
are you sure?  ryusen | 07/30/04
...that's the rub  rafe01 | 07/30/04
It's not about Open Source or not  voska | 07/29/04
Then don't buy them  balsover | 07/29/04
I refuse to buy any of them  voska | 07/29/04
open source  balsover | 07/29/04
Still what does that have to with Open Source?  voska | 07/30/04
Apples, Oranges, Strawberries, and the music they listen too...  nomorems | 07/29/04
iPod just jumped the shark!  ejhonda | 07/29/04
A great set of arguments  Len Rooney | 07/29/04
now wash your mouth out with soap and water...  rafe01 | 07/30/04
Typical  ParadigmOdyssey | 07/30/04
Business Models  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 07/30/04
*THE* key point ot your post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/30/04
So Brilliant  johnnyu | 07/30/04
you forgot...  ryusen | 07/30/04
This isn't new for Apple business 101  FilledOut | 07/30/04
DMCA strikes again...  jwschull@... | 07/30/04
WOW  voska | 07/30/04
Well, people are passionate this stuff....and iPods  dave95 | 07/30/04
A monopoly is a monoply no matter what the size.  kd5auq | 07/30/04
It's BetaMax and Macintosh OS all over again  marmocida | 07/30/04
last comment best...  rafe01 | 07/30/04
This is Why I'll Never Own Proprietary Player!  Miint | 07/31/04
except its not Apple and MS  rafe01 | 07/31/04

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