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RE: Test it against the Athlon 64

>As many of us already know - none of the benchmarks that proclaim Apple as the fastest PC were run against AMD processors.

Correct, the benchmarks wewre run against Intel only. I would have like them to throw in some AMDs.

>The Opteron was out months before the G5 - so the G5 wasn't even the first 64/32 bit processor available.

I'm not sure why that's relevant. Apple never claimed the G5 was the first, but it was the first to be sold in a personal computer (Opteron's have been pretty much limited to servers and such.)

>Hypertransport, which Apple uses, was an AMD invention.

Remember, Apple doesn't actually make the G5 processor, IBM does. Other than that, I', glad they used Hypertransport.

>We know how much the AthlonXP smoked the G4 in Photoshop and I expect we'll see the same when Adobe has a patch for the Athlon64.

I hope the Athlon64 screams at Photoshop. Aside from Macs, I tend to lean towards AMD products in my PCs and Photoshop is an application I use on a daily basis. As far as the AthlonXP smoking the G4, don't necessarily expect a similar outcome. The G4 should have been seriously revitalized or put ot to pasture a long time ago. Motorola stagnated on G4 development for far too long. That's one of the primary reasons Apple started falling behind in the performance arena and one of the main reasons you saw other machines based on other processors defeating G4 Macs so easily.

>I think it's funny that Apple claims they have the best hardware - while they simply borrow from the best PC hardware manufacturers.

You're starting to lose me on this statement. First of all, the entire industry borrows from everyone else in the industry. Beyond that, Apple is likely one of the top contributors to the industry, sharing ranks with Intel and IBM. When Apple does design new hardware and use hardware from other manufactures, it typically goes with nothing but the best. Apple is very picky about what goes into their machines and they maintain very tight controls over it. To say that Apple simply 'borrows' from the best PC hardware manufacturers is grossly oversimplifying what they are doing.

>The only benchmarks I've seen for the Athlon64 against a G5 show the G5 getting trounced by a single-proc AMD64.

Links? I actually haven't read banchmarks comparing the 2 yet. I'd especially love to them both compared against the latest from Intel. I'm looking to replace my Mac with a G5 sometime early next year and I'm looking to rebuild one of my PCs and I'd like to see how the Athlon64 is doing.

>Apple never stands to win a gaming benchmark as long as all the best video and sound cards are available on PC's much, much (at least a year) sooner than on the Mac.

Check those time-frames again. When there is a delay on the video card (there typically is, but every once in a while they come out at the same time and even rarer, the Mac version hits first,) the delay is usally only a ocuple months. As for sound cards, all Macs have sound built in. Most sound cards available for Mac are in the professional arena. That being said, with the G5s, Apple pretty much has the sound issue nailed. Optical digital in and out... not much more that you need.

>Fact is, Apple has a more competitive offering performance-wise - but PC's still hold the bleeding-edge speed crown. No Apple-generated theoretical, non-real world BS will change that. Maybe things will get more interesting when 64 bit code is running on both of these platforms early next year. In the meantime I'm happy that someone noticed Apple was lying...

Now you're just starting to get into dribble. The fact is all manufacturers do this sort of thing. All 'benchmark' tests are ever good for is offering a rough idea of the performance available from the machine. They're all unfair on some level. Some benchmarks list G5s as the top performers because they can do blah blah blah in Photoshop. Some benchmarks list P4s as the top because they can do blah blah blah in Quake. Some benchmarks list Athlons at the top because they can do blah blah blah in Premiere. Bottom line is there's always something lurking behind those statements. Somewhere along the way an optimzed version of application A or operating system B was used and the contender was left out of such fanfair. Not there's not a single fair benchmark in this industry, PC, Mac or otherwise. The bottom line is it matters what you're going to do with the computer... for all my graphics and video work, plus the little bit of music I do, the Mac is the way to go. The overall package Apple offers for that sort of thing (speed, ease of use, etc.) completely blows away anything my PCs can offer. If I want to play a game or work on some database scripts or application development, it's Windows all the way.

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