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I am sorry to see that you shoot your self in the foot...

"..Imagine that, the all-mighty Intel, FINALLY managing to ... surpass the opteron's after SO MANY YEARS!...."

I suppose 3 years IS a long time. However, AMD once had a GREATER market share than now and BLEW it. The difference now is that AMD changed their business plan from copying Intel to innovating. Ironically, it was with Intel's help!! When Intel renewed the x86 ISA license to AMD, they forebade AMD from copying the P6 bus. What is AMD to do? Innovate, that's what!

In micro-processor years 3 years is 3 years TOO MANY. As a matter of fact, the lack over the last 3 years of a progress in Itanium-2 basically forced SGI to bankruptsy.


IMHO, AMD has been so pathetic in executing for 30 years, it is reasonable to assume Intel decided to fight other competitors - like Sun (which they beat)


The Q was (I cannot understand how you missed it ) HOW COME all mighty-Intel needed SO MUCH time to recover "performance lead" over the puny AMD.

As a matter of fact, after AMD came with the Opterons, Intel apparently soiled its pants, ditched IA64, made a U-turn and THEN STARTED thinking .... how to improve their notorious net-burb datapath.... pathetic. The almighty leader (with "tons" of engineers and know-how) started ... following the puny AMD.

Where has the Intel's technological leadership been all these years? A PATHETIC FAT MULTIDROP FSB and a mediocre MCH (north-bridge).... and the Itanium-2's FSB an even more pathetic one. WHAT TOO INTEL SO LONG TO CORRECT ITS BACKWARDS multidrop FSB?

I am sure that since you are an "expert" you can explain to us why Intel WAS LAGGING SO FAR BEHIND in TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION (vs FAT bus).



"..Were there independent and relatively objective benchamrks administered?.."

I think we're past that. Intel has a great design in the hands. You can root for AMD, but you need to come to the harsh reality that Intel has a winning hand.

This is strange as I have NOT SEEN published benchmarks from INDEPENDENT Labs. I am interested in seeing the new Intel procs and comparing the performance with the latest Power5+.

The hand of Intel was kind of slow and I am only rooting for AMD, because they USED their brain to INNOVATE and compete with Intel, as opposed to makign the bus FATTER and the clock "faster"...

I would give MUCH MORE CREDIT to the small guy who can DO MORE with LESS than to the big guy whoi is doing MUCH LESS. But this is me.

"..What about the NEXT AMD opterons with DDR2 and HT v3.00, etc.?.."

What about them? DDR2 will yield nothing other than improved power consumption. HT3 is another gimmick - it solves nothing at this time that needs improving.

OK, this shows your lack of knowledge on memory design.

ONE of the advantages of DDR2 is that it can attain higher bandwidth / pin than DDR1: 665Mbit/sec vs 400Mbit/sec ; the other advantage is the lower power requirements due to smaller voltage swing.

What NEEDS improving was the infamous Intel's multi-drop FSB wich is the bottleneck. Incidentally, HT HAS ALLEIVATED this bottleneck by making interconnects point-to-point and by including memory controller on chip.

Also, HT v3.0 is unbeatable in latency and throughput.... no?


"..Also, what about the poor itanium-2 ? Comletely canned?.."

Where did you hear that?

I heard it when SGI filed for bankruptcy and when the true IA64 partner started offering Opteron solutions.....


Bottom line: Intel is not that bad, but AMD COULD DO MUCH MORE WITH MUCH LESS. That is why I am rooting for AMD.

I wish Intel could provide technological leadership in INNOVATIVE ARCHITECTURES (which IA64 WAS) as I got sick of its archaic x86 which was obsolete even back in the late 80s! It should had vanished along with DEC's VAX CISC processor (which was better than x86) .....

Anyway, I can suggest some good DDR2/SDRAM/FC-RAM. etc. tutorials if you asked me (politely).

Otherwise, apply pressure to your foot to stop bleeding ....

Posted by: michael_t   Posted on: 06/26/06 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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