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But nothing
"Either they are open source or they are not. You can't have
it both ways."

The BSD license allows you to have it both ways. Or is open
source only the GPL now?

"...but they are just as close source as MS ever was"

Certainly closed for much of their software but to compare
to MS in this example is ridiculous.

Darwin, improvements and testing of the BSD operating
systems particularly filesystems, KDE HTML rendering core,
the quicktime streaming server, modifications to gcc,
rendezvous, and many more have had a valuable
contribution to these open source projects.

Funny Apple's contribution has been acknowledged by the
projects themselves, but lost on you.
Posted by: Richard Flude   Posted on: 01/25/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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Even Microsoft believes in Apple  MarcB_z | 01/23/04
Apple and Open Standards  Aphelion | 01/23/04
Apple and open Standards?  ShadeTree | 01/23/04
RE: Apple and open Standards?  JakAttak | 01/23/04
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But nothing  Richard Flude | 01/25/04
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BSD is proprietary?  stephen732@... | 01/23/04
Not BSD!  ShadeTree | 01/26/04
Open Standards/Open Source  MarcB_z | 01/23/04
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Not as such  tic swayback | 01/23/04
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So did BeOS (NT)  tic swayback | 01/24/04
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How can you learn what doesn't exist?  tic swayback | 01/26/04
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Why must there be only one?  tic swayback | 01/26/04
According to you the World has no choice as MS monopoly. (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/26/04
No, some choice now, more eventually  tic swayback | 01/26/04
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Why Intel?  tic swayback | 01/23/04
good point!!  Arrg | 01/23/04
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true  Arrg | 01/23/04
Risky  tic swayback | 01/23/04
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