MS, IBM and Oracle have no relational products
jorwell | 02/24/05
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Relational Databases
d0ti5 | 02/24/05
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IBM theory vs practice
__howard__ | 02/24/05
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RDB History: IBM project started in 1973
mikew_z | 02/25/05
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Oh yes they do!
neverhome | 02/24/05
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Bull
jnonneman | 02/24/05
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Since Codds 12 is the definition of Relational...
msalomon | 02/24/05
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mathematical reason
__howard__ | 02/24/05
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Metric system
d0ti5 | 02/25/05
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No not relational
jorwell | 02/25/05
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By what definition?
Shift4SMS | 02/24/05
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A common misapprehension
jorwell | 02/25/05
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if ignorance is bliss, you're a happy fool
cicuta | 02/24/05
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RDBMS Defined...
neverhome | 02/24/05
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Non definition
msalomon | 02/24/05
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Okay, let me shed MORE light here
neverhome | 02/24/05
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the blind leading the blind
cicuta | 02/24/05
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Interchangeability
jorwell | 02/25/05
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I fully agree
Shift4SMS | 02/25/05
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You are a foolish man to jump to such conclusions
jorwell | 02/25/05
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Is it a DBMS or an RDBMS?
careed | 02/25/05
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What are you talking about?
kevin@... | 02/24/05
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More info on "relational" db
__howard__ | 02/24/05
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Many thanks your Lordship
jorwell | 02/25/05
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They are basically relational.
flipper35 | 02/24/05
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"Basically relational"? you cannot have it both ways
msalomon | 02/24/05
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Awwww.....
neverhome | 02/24/05
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SQL Standard
CAPCAN | 02/24/05
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(nt) Clueless
d_jedi | 02/24/05
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MS IBM have no relational DB's?
Terfenol_D | 02/24/05
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Can set a primary key
jorwell | 02/25/05
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Not relational?
CodeBubba | 02/24/05
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Not really ignorant
__howard__ | 02/24/05
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Unfortunately you are the one that is ignorant
jorwell | 02/25/05
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good to see ms going back to the drawing board
liskanich | 02/24/05
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Back to the drawing board...
d0ti5 | 02/24/05
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MySQL
Chad_z | 02/24/05
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MySQL is one of the worst
jorwell | 02/24/05
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I beg to differ
ngon | 02/24/05
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noticeable degradation sounds like improper configuration of sql
liskanich | 02/24/05
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I had One
nucrash | 02/24/05
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That's the problem, you need more hardware to get the same performance
DonnieBoy | 02/24/05
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Never? Really?
cicuta | 02/24/05
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The depressing thing about Open Source DBMS
jorwell | 02/24/05
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What the hell is wrong with SQL
nucrash | 02/24/05
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A hell of a lot
jorwell | 02/24/05
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SQL just a high level programming language
voska | 02/24/05
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So your problem is understrnading of the theory ?
michael-t | 02/24/05
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For some applications, think BerkeleyDB. It is the absolute fastest.
DonnieBoy | 02/24/05
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Performance is only a tiny part of the problem
jorwell | 02/24/05
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Well, I could not agree more, but we will be living with SQL for a while.
DonnieBoy | 02/24/05
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WHAT?
doe_z | 02/24/05
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DEFINE RELATIONAL
cicuta | 02/24/05
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You can read this up for yourself
jorwell | 02/24/05
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Stop whining and do something about it
criderja | 02/24/05
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Don't waste your time responding to this guy
kribor_z | 02/24/05
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Expert??
jorwell | 02/24/05
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Well this is something to useful to learn
pelsql | 03/14/05
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A few things
awhite@... | 04/17/05
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Quite right
Chad_z | 02/24/05
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Thanks Chad
xsylvainhoule@... | 02/25/05
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Per processor pricing is silly
voska | 02/24/05
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I agree, but, it is another way of making more $
TechType | 02/24/05
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Hmmm, can you say multi-core,
No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/24/05
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Can you say IBM???
nucrash | 02/24/05
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Let me help you with the topic...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/24/05
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Watch them charge you per core
voska | 02/24/05
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Nope, MS said they won't.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/24/05
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I will belive that...
Patrick Jones | 02/24/05
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Believe it, this is the way it is actually done
pelsql | 03/14/05
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That's not binding though
voska | 02/25/05
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It was the future 3 yers ago.
B.O.F.H. | 02/24/05
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Per user licensing
JanglinJack | 02/24/05
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That'd be per server
voska | 02/25/05
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I don't agree ...
mwagner@... | 02/24/05
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I can see per sever pricing
voska | 02/25/05
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Wrong understanding of MS SQL Per processor licence
pelsql | 03/14/05
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Closer analogy
awhite@... | 04/17/05
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Per Processor Licensing
gbed | 02/24/05
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Per Processor Licensing
arnold_walker@... | 02/24/05
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Extremely Vendor Specific
awhite@... | 04/17/05
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MS says multi core is multi processor
appletonjim | 02/24/05
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Huh?
rapson | 02/24/05
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I know, Oracle doesn't however
voska | 02/25/05
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Also think PostgreSQL. It is improving fast.
DonnieBoy | 02/24/05
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Yes, absolutely
Chad_z | 02/24/05
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Competition is always good ...
mwagner@... | 02/24/05
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Yep...
brble | 02/24/05
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$3000+ *per processor*?!?!? Time to think Postgres or Mysql!
kensys | 02/24/05
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I'll say!
CobraA1 | 02/25/05
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Pay less work more a less expensive proposition ?
pelsql | 03/14/05
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Wizard of failing Magics
awhite@... | 04/17/05
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BALONEY! Microsoft didnt start it.
daver_z | 02/24/05
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SQL Server v. Oracle 10g
tenryuu | 02/24/05
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I Disagree
robert.hart@... | 02/24/05
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Can you explain
michael-t | 02/24/05
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SQL Server vs Oracle
JRidge | 02/26/05
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Not always the same experience....
pelsql | 03/14/05
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oracle is great
NemesisNL | 02/24/05
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Oracle is starting to suck
NotMSUser | 02/24/05
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Whats the alternative?
awhite@... | 04/17/05
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The Scorpion and The Turtle
shadomn | 02/24/05
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Been there dun that. - Access vs Paradox
jhawklyn@... | 02/24/05
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Split MS Apps from MS OS
gordon@... | 02/24/05
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Who won the 2000 election
seosamh_z | 02/24/05
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"We believe the packaging and licensing is a feature of the product."
linuxoverwindows | 02/24/05
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Pope Is Gonna Croak: Any Bets On When?
itanalyst | 02/24/05
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Stay INSIDE - for your own safety
j.m.galvin | 02/24/05
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Considering From A Religous Standpoint
itanalyst | 02/24/05
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Struggling to work this into the topic...
brble | 02/24/05
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Easy
awhite@... | 04/17/05
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You're a sad individual
seosamh_z | 02/24/05
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There are many sad individuals Joey
Jeff Spicoli | 02/24/05
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At the risk of feeding the troll...
bill@... | 02/25/05
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5 figure donation. Sure. Right.
Beechcraft | 02/24/05
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It amazes me
seosamh_z | 02/24/05
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Microsoft
tonyarm@... | 02/24/05
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SQL son, SQL.
seosamh_z | 02/24/05
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Im suprised...
jdahs@... | 02/24/05
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The Evil Gnomes of Redmond
btkatt | 02/25/05
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There are Alternatives
viswakarma | 02/24/05
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No one has enough revenue
bjbrock | 02/24/05
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Cheaper than Free?
awhite@... | 04/17/05
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Welcome home!
seosamh_z | 02/25/05
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Well sure. When they realized they couldn't
bjbrock | 02/24/05
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Microsoft may not defeat Oracle in Database Price War
taye_omo@... | 02/24/05
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MS DATABASE
zdnethead | 02/25/05
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Would Someone Please Explain to Me...
bill@... | 02/25/05
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Because their small business
awhite@... | 04/17/05
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Post-Relational
zielpunkt | 02/25/05
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Pros and Cons
awhite@... | 04/17/05
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Whatever . . .
Sheeva | 03/01/05
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2 words - Corporate Merger
awhite@... | 04/17/05
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