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May be a nuanced plan is afoot?
IBM is the problem for both Sun and MS. IBM is dependent on Sun due to Java - WebSphere is one of the IBM consulting cash cows, and all three compete in terms of web services.

Linux's threat to Sun is more due to IBM pushing it on IBM servers. Dell and HP is still more WinTel than Linux, so they don't directly threaten Sun as much as IBM.

Would it not be in Sun's interest to add confusion to the open source/Linux ecology by adding new licensing, and stripping potential development to Solaris, and away from Linux? And of course any hit to IBM would be good for both Sun and MS.

Last but best - the MS and Sun integration. The Java wars between the two seem to be over (for now). What if there becomes tighter interopterability between .Net and Java, at the OS level? That a .Net or Java program would run natively in either a Windows or Solaris environment would be a big win between the enterprise and both MS and Sun, with the added sweetner of harming IBM. That means the crown jewel is the Java JVM, not the Solaris OS - so no loss of value to the stock owners. And due to the agreements between Sun and MS - any howling that Sun has to provide the same functionality to a JVM for Linux would have to be ignored.
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Well duh? Did anyone think Sun was going to hand  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Does it matter?  IT_User | 12/02/04
Sun Hardware  htotten | 12/02/04
Sounds sort of like...  IT_User | 12/02/04
Sun hardware doesn't need to run Solaris  balsover | 12/03/04
Toss MS in and your right.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Face it: M$ has nowhere to go but down!  Jeff Spicoli | 12/02/04
Jeff, I am being honest here, you don't really believe that do you?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Jeff is correct!  djc1309@... | 12/04/04
Nothing factual in your post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/04/04
You are a die hard aren't you?  djc1309@... | 12/04/04
That makes me giggle.  John Le'Brecage | 12/02/04
Never suggested anything else. Are you concerned?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/02/04
Don't get in a tizzy. He's just marveling at your shillhood.  Jeff Spicoli | 12/02/04
sigh, You still have learned nothing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Concern and giggling are antithetical...  John Le'Brecage | 12/02/04
So is No_Ax becoming Mike Cox  shallow_diver | 12/03/04
You must be new...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Is that so No Ax?  ken47b@... | 12/03/04
Yes it is true. Learn to pay attention. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Re: That makes me giggle.  richdave | 12/04/04
And your point is???  AmusedAtItAll | 12/02/04
Booyah!  Jeff Spicoli | 12/03/04
Yes! Good move Sun! Best for Linux.  John Le'Brecage | 12/02/04
You hit the nail right on the noggin  Jeff Spicoli | 12/02/04
An excellent point John. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
How is this a good move for Sun?  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Anton, you always ask the tough questions.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
New sales outside the US would be a goal.  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Sorry, I'm not privy to Sun's plans.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Who is?  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Is that in fact true?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
A good reason NOT to open source Solaris.  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
You just identified the big *IF*.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Just a thought here  voska | 12/03/04
May be a nuanced plan is afoot?  quietLee | 12/03/04
Too subtle to succeed.  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Sun's self-interest.  John Le'Brecage | 12/03/04
I don't really like the GPL anyways  CobraA1 | 12/02/04
But hey...  Jeff Spicoli | 12/02/04
Open Source isn't always better, though  CobraA1 | 12/03/04
You can link the two. There are exceptions.  John Le'Brecage | 12/02/04
John, you point out something important...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
A point in support.  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Correct, and the FUD is a very real thing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
What rubbish!!  Jiim_z | 12/05/04
Not always an option  CobraA1 | 12/03/04
Toss this to the wind...  John Le'Brecage | 12/05/04
Clarify what you mean.  AmusedAtItAll | 12/02/04
heh, we keep forgetting section 2b!  CobraA1 | 12/03/04
No surprises here ...  George Mitchell | 12/02/04
Does Sun have the right  Roger Ramjet | 12/03/04
BSD is not relavant here ...  mwagner@... | 12/03/04
Good move for Sun ...  mwagner@... | 12/03/04
What is Sun's goal?  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Sun's goal is to ...  mwagner@... | 12/03/04
Does "complete user control of the code"...  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
I think it does  voska | 12/03/04
Is "as easy as Linux..." a reason to buy Solaris?  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
If it allows interop with Windows it does.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Another good point  voska | 12/03/04
Won't take that long, I'll say a year from now.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Seem to me you pointed out the Bunk factor  voska | 12/03/04
Linus ix Unix, too.  lycanthrope1 | 12/03/04
That's why there are only two "real" Linuxes...  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Depth limit?  lycanthrope1 | 12/03/04
Two Linuxes?  lycanthrope1 | 12/03/04
Yes, depth goes beyond ZDNet's limit.  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Two Linuxes for commercial use, yes.  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
You do realize that Windows is POSIX compliant too right?  voska | 12/03/04
Mixed anticipations.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
Sun: "We'll damage ourselves in hopes"...  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Ah, but if Sun can...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/03/04
IBM and Linux  lycanthrope1 | 12/03/04
What damage?  lycanthrope1 | 12/03/04
All pain, no gain.  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Shares in Solaris?  lycanthrope1 | 12/03/04
Never said shares in Solaris.  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Yes to both!  lycanthrope1 | 12/03/04
If Sun is just chasing a buzzword...  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Increased sales is increased sales...  lycanthrope1 | 12/03/04
If being incompetent were only illegal...  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
Oh please!  lycanthrope1 | 12/03/04
What have they done lately?  Anton Philidor | 12/03/04
"Too expensive" is too old.  lycanthrope1 | 12/03/04
Is Sun part of a plot to kill Linux?  Flash00 | 12/03/04
It is a good move for Sun  kokuryu | 12/03/04
Witness The Second Coming Of The Balkanization Of Unix  lbattis@... | 12/03/04
But there is really nothing new here ...  George Mitchell | 12/03/04
A few observations  lycanthrope1 | 12/03/04
Trying to salvage a marginalized OS  mwiley_z | 12/03/04
Too little, too late I suspect!  Jiim_z | 12/05/04
good move for Solaris  segurajohn@... | 12/03/04
I hate using Solaris. can open-source change that?  gorbehnare | 12/04/04
I think not. Linux is here to stay and grow!  flavio.becker | 12/04/04

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