Torvalds is right!
Tim Patterson | 11/23/04
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Already ... I can hear ...
Judas I. | 11/23/04
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Maybe not
SC-man | 11/23/04
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I'm Suing All Major University Computer Departments
itanalyst | 11/23/04
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Too late
tic swayback | 11/23/04
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you've got to be joking...
wimbo_z | 11/24/04
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Tim, there are more patent holders than just large corps.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Then you should understand Bit
Tim Patterson | 11/23/04
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I understand you are wrong.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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You are comparing apples and oranges...
avilensk1966@... | 11/23/04
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Simply put, your wrong.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Once again, apples and oranges...
avilensk1966@... | 11/23/04
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Still wrong.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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If what you said is true
avilensk1966@... | 11/23/04
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All I can say is it has worked for two decades.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Eolas was not alone
tic swayback | 11/23/04
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Eolas sued, sure. But did they win?
cbiltcliffe@... | 12/02/04
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You are comparing apples and oranges...
avilensk1966@... | 11/23/04
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bitty, lying won't make your weak position any stronger.
AmusedAtItAll | 11/24/04
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Ax - you got that right
nextbend | 12/02/04
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Could the USA fall behind
jsjag1 | 12/02/04
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Soon US IT will be like US car makers in the 80s
Jeff Spicoli | 11/23/04
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Maybe in your world, but not in mine.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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I don't know about that
voska | 11/23/04
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Then I better get some more patents to protect myself.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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U.S. Patents?
IT_User | 11/24/04
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Axey, LOL, "they protect little guys like me."
Judas I. | 11/23/04
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I suppose "little" is different for everyone.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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"One of our developers?" Gee, Axey, you are HUGE ...
Judas I. | 11/23/04
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Not rally, total employment at both companies..
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Yer right, Axey, yer not huge ...
Judas I. | 11/23/04
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what patents do you own?
wimbo_z | 11/24/04
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A couple of questions....
boomslang_z | 12/02/04
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The danger of software patents
Henk de Boer | 12/02/04
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What about WTO?
mhavu | 12/02/04
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Neverending software-patent-lawsuits or screw lawyers and let?s work? (NT)
Vily Clay | 11/23/04
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Gee, why would open source want no patents??
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Not just Open Source Bit...
Tim Patterson | 11/23/04
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Tim, what software have you patented or copyrighted?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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And you?
Joe Blow_z | 11/23/04
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You bet...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Here is bitty's list
AmusedAtItAll | 11/24/04
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People with software patents have no basis
voska | 11/23/04
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Surgons shouldn't make medical decisions either.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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I've done all of the above
IT_User | 11/23/04
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True
rkadowns | 11/23/04
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I know of ZERO for-profit compaines complaining.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Why would they?
voska | 11/23/04
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They wouldn't and that's the point. Only open source is crying.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Patently false!!
IT_User | 11/24/04
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This has nothing to do with copying
voska | 11/23/04
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Explain that!!!!!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Same way the Oil industry destoryed people in the 60s
voska | 11/23/04
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Forget this part
voska | 11/23/04
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Someone has been watching WAY TOO MUCH TV.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Can't rebut my argument? Guess I'm right then
voska | 11/23/04
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Rebut an urban myth? Go ahead...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Are you that absent minded?
voska | 11/23/04
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Are you lost, we are talking about SOFTWARE patents.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Do you just not get it?
voska | 11/23/04
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A Conflict of Interest!
ken47b@... | 12/02/04
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Unintentional copying, too.
Anton Philidor | 11/23/04
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You point out Trovalds two faces!!!
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Janus Torvalds
Anton Philidor | 11/23/04
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ROFL... (nt)
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Now thats entertainment..
AmusedAtItAll | 11/24/04
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Nice distortion
IT_User | 11/24/04
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Huh?
IT_User | 11/23/04
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Open source's problem, not HP's
Anton Philidor | 11/24/04
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Definition problem
IT_User | 11/24/04
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Unintentional copying?
AmusedAtItAll | 11/24/04
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Generalization
rapson | 11/24/04
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You have identified a real issue.
Anton Philidor | 11/24/04
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How doth I copy thee? Let me count the ways.
Joel R | 12/02/04
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Depends what you mean by copying
Michael Kelly | 11/23/04
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You got it half right.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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You got it half right too
Michael Kelly | 11/23/04
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bitty, you are never right
AmusedAtItAll | 11/24/04
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Oops.
Stephen Wheeler | 12/02/04
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Actually,
Taz_z | 11/23/04
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You're beyond help, bitty
AmusedAtItAll | 11/24/04
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Not in favor of patents AND not in favor of copying
thebhgg | 12/02/04
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A better approach for Open Source
frankly0 | 12/02/04
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explain how COPYING anyone is innovative...
Tavison | 12/02/04
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This is interesting in light of the proposed new GPL.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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The old one has already been tested in court.
B.O.F.H. | 11/23/04
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Yup, and it failed to give them protection from patents.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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You are an interesting critter?
B.O.F.H. | 11/23/04
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And you are a confused one.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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It's the laws that say you are wrong.
B.O.F.H. | 11/23/04
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And you are just wrong.
AmusedAtItAll | 11/24/04
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Nothing interesting here ...
George Mitchell | 11/23/04
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Why Doesn't OSS Proponents Elicit Help From, ISVs & Programmers In General?
P. Douglas | 11/23/04
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What patented/copyrighted software are you contributing?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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IP Patents Could Violate The First Amendment
P. Douglas | 11/23/04
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I suggest a short class in Constitutional law.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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I Suggest You Take One Before Me
P. Douglas | 11/23/04
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Tell you what, ask a judge and see wqho he agrees with.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Not The First To Believe Software Patents Are Unconstitutional
P. Douglas | 11/23/04
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And some believe in the easter bunny. So what?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Come on No_Ax
voska | 11/23/04
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You must need new glasses.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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How's this, and I just took a small sample.
voska | 11/23/04
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Software Patents Still Unsupported By Constitution To Me
P. Douglas | 11/23/04
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vosska, I have rubted your carberator because I DON"T CARE.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Doesn't matter what they mean to you...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Tell you what, ask a judge and see who he agrees with.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Sorry for the double post. FIX YOUR LINKS ZDNet.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Constitution (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 8)
B.O.F.H. | 11/23/04
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Which would seem to mean ...
George Mitchell | 11/23/04
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Intellectual property
jsjag1 | 11/23/04
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Intellectual Property
ttocsmij | 11/30/04
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IP Rights
Stephen Wheeler | 12/02/04
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Maybe somebody could help me out with this one ...
worknman | 11/23/04
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EXACTLY! Copying is NOT innovation.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Microsoft
Joe Blow_z | 11/23/04
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Not my problem and i don't care.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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No, Microsoft wouldn't exist if Software patents existed in 80s and 90s
voska | 11/23/04
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And once more, not my problem and I don't care.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Then you should care
voska | 11/23/04
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Tell you what, you go worry about MS, ok?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Janus bitty
AmusedAtItAll | 11/24/04
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I will go along with that to a point AX
ken47b@... | 12/02/04
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How about 3, and that is just the tip
Taz_z | 11/23/04
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Silly argument. Let's see, all men should be put to death...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Very insightful, NOT
Taz_z | 11/23/04
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Ok, let me explain it S L O W L Y for you.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Stay on topic Patrick Starfish
Taz_z | 11/23/04
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Take your own advice...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Interesting argument, eventually.
Anton Philidor | 11/23/04
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I don't know, maybe it has to do with tangible vs intangible
Taz_z | 11/23/04
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All machines based upon the basics.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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And your point is ...
Taz_z | 11/23/04
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That using your logig, nothing can be patented.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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And using your "logig", everything can be patented
Taz_z | 11/23/04
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See, I knew you would catch on.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/24/04
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Okay, I got one.... no two
el1jones | 11/23/04
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Well, you got one rthing right.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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There are 2 possible companies related to streaming and kiosks
B.O.F.H. | 11/23/04
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With real patents
lengua99 | 12/02/04
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yes, but what happened ?
vladsim | 12/28/04
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Let's flip the question
IT_User | 11/23/04
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Patents making for poorer quality software.
Tavison | 12/02/04
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Torvalds trashes EU patent proposal
Loverock Davidson | 11/23/04
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And what makes you think
avilensk1966@... | 11/23/04
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Well said. (NT)
James T. Kirk | 11/23/04
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THe EU has been issuing software patents for years.
Anton Philidor | 11/23/04
|

That's a common argument but it doesn't fly...
Root User | 11/23/04
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Ahm... Notice that big shadow you're standing in? Look up.
Anton Philidor | 11/24/04
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Software patents are *not* being issued by the EU
IT_User | 11/24/04
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Absolutely fallacious!
IT_User | 11/24/04
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Emphasis unintended
IT_User | 11/24/04
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The glory of patents.
Anton Philidor | 11/24/04
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Glory?
htotten | 11/24/04
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Patents as a cost of doing business
Anton Philidor | 11/24/04
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The extension doesn't work
IT_User | 11/24/04
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The software industry has matured.
Anton Philidor | 11/24/04
|
    
Once again
IT_User | 11/24/04
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Practically speaking.
Anton Philidor | 11/24/04
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Absent evidence, no
IT_User | 11/24/04
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Why the sudden terror on EU patents. It's the GPL.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Oops
rapson | 11/23/04
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My bad, it won't happen again. Sorry...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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How about "Entropy from cold facts"?
Anton Philidor | 11/23/04
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The Cold Water Rule?
rapson | 11/23/04
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"clod water"??
rapson | 11/23/04
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Anton, I see two posts no one wants to touch.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Aha!
Jeff Spicoli | 11/23/04
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Never said they didn't
rapson | 11/23/04
|

Whoa!
IT_User | 11/24/04
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Agreed.
htotten | 11/24/04
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I Don't Agree
Stephen Wheeler | 12/02/04
|
Linus makes very good points
Root User | 11/23/04
|

Ooops, typing foible
Root User | 11/23/04
|

Injecting facts?
IT_User | 11/24/04
|

the anti-patent community
htotten | 11/24/04
|

Foundering Fathers
auntigrav | 12/02/04
|

What would Ayn Rand say?
Schnazola | 12/02/04
|
 
Fundamentally Wrong
Stephen Wheeler | 12/02/04
|
  
Fundamentally Wrong How Exactly?
Schnazola | 12/02/04
|
 
Misconceptions
M.Fridholm | 12/03/04
|
 
Yes, what would Ayn Rand say?
M.Fridholm | 12/04/04
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Patents not justified.
none none | 11/23/04
|

I think you have it completely backward.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Hey AX
htotten | 11/23/04
|
  
Hey htotten..
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Not at all
htotten | 11/23/04
|
    
And you refused to answer one of my questions.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/24/04
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Protects Nothing?
htotten | 11/24/04
|
   
No_Ax, about your Patented method.
rhammock | 12/02/04
|
 
That's a good question...
Root User | 11/23/04
|
  
Not really...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
|
   
You can say UNIX license right?
htotten | 11/23/04
|
    
Are you trying to suggest that...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/24/04
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No but...
htotten | 11/24/04
|
   
Re: Not Really
Root User | 11/23/04
|
    
You have it backwards again.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/24/04
|
     
No, I have it the right way.
Root User | 11/24/04
|
   
Patent Lack of Effect
Stephen Wheeler | 12/02/04
|

I think you have it completely backward.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
|
 
No, he has it completely right
IT_User | 11/24/04
|
Aboslutely correct....
htotten | 11/23/04
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2 Questions- What WOULD make a good patent... what's with all the replies..
el1jones | 11/23/04
|

As Mr Torvalds says
htotten | 11/23/04
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I agree... no software patents...
el1jones | 11/23/04
|

Two answers.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/23/04
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Question #2 ... Answered
el1jones | 11/23/04
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But the EU is always right in what they do
FilledOut | 11/24/04
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If the EU is stupid enough by approving this proposal, it will mean ...
systemcleaner | 11/24/04
|

Blah, blah, blah...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/24/04
|
 
well usa is exellent on making choise
toxicfreak | 12/02/04
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I dont think so read this article...
crocd | 11/24/04
|

And what has that to do with patents?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/24/04
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Right on.
htotten | 11/24/04
|
Why software patents are bogus ...
George Mitchell | 11/24/04
|

Said the man without any.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/24/04
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He's a stakeholder
IT_User | 11/24/04
|
 
Ax believes in the Golden Rule ...
George Mitchell | 11/24/04
|
 
This from someone who does not (and probubly never has) written code.
B.O.F.H. | 11/24/04
|
 
Feelings?
CobraA1 | 11/25/04
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Okay, Here Goes
Stephen Wheeler | 12/02/04
|

Here, Here
htotten | 11/24/04
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EU patent proposal
andreito | 11/24/04
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Current IPR belongs in the middle ages
Falconer_z | 12/02/04
|
Patent lifetime
trm1945 | 12/02/04
|
Patents are a mixed bag
JamesFaber@... | 12/02/04
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Patents are now used as standing for future suits
jsjag1 | 12/02/04
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Guilty until proven innocent?
booknut | 12/02/04
|

You should not be able to patent
rhammock | 12/02/04
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Patents are not for small guys
aorusso | 12/02/04
|

That depends!
tsuru | 12/02/04
|

wrong - you can do it for $100
daver_z | 12/02/04
|
 
And you have lost the right to patent in Europe.
Tavison | 12/03/04
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Patents only protect those who can afford lawyers
mike.green@... | 12/02/04
|

And patents can destroy others.
johnlb2002 | 12/02/04
|
MONOPOLY and INOVATION
sjworth@... | 12/02/04
|
copyrights, trademarks and patents
cpayne@... | 12/02/04
|
Software & Hardware Patents are Different
solardan | 12/02/04
|

Change patent law?
johnlb2002 | 12/02/04
|
 
Patent Law
cpayne@... | 12/02/04
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A double edged sword
db2xpert | 12/02/04
|
My own view
kokuryu | 12/02/04
|
god its funny
toxicfreak | 12/02/04
|
What patents should be awarded for!
ehbeitz@... | 12/02/04
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I want to patent a piece of code so you pay me
joseph1942 | 12/02/04
|
software patents
aif@... | 12/02/04
|
Patents are important.
atlascott | 12/02/04
|

Right...
M.Fridholm | 12/03/04
|
Bass ackwards
M.Fridholm | 12/02/04
|

This post misplaced
M.Fridholm | 12/04/04
|
What stifles innovation is when companies patent the Obvious
daver_z | 12/02/04
|
Patent Protection
prenaud@... | 12/02/04
|
Software Patents Plusses and Minuses
master__joe@... | 12/02/04
|
copyrite longevity
jpurcell | 12/02/04
|
This will really stick up the works
jfmiii | 12/02/04
|
patents
lpdisadog | 12/02/04
|
When you enjoy the benefits of great inventions
hnwu | 12/02/04
|
Patents vs Copyright non event
blind1 | 12/02/04
|
True, true, true
Richie_z | 12/03/04
|
If Wilbur & Orville couldn't get a patent, you would be riding a donkey.
watunda | 12/03/04
|

Actually, they lost most of thier patent protection.
Tavison | 12/03/04
|
Software patents
jonjon1946@... | 12/03/04
|
Software patents must not be legalized.
Tom W_z | 12/03/04
|