Statute of limitations?
rapson | 11/12/04
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Could be
Jay Cash | 11/12/04
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I don't think there are limitation on Civil claims
voska | 11/12/04
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Better go back for a refresher course.
AmusedAtItAll | 11/13/04
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Q: How do you turn a $1B company into a $200M company?
Salman Pak | 11/12/04
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Yup, you are spot on.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
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True, but...
nucrash | 11/14/04
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Sad, but true
mtbandit@... | 11/15/04
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Novell sues Microsoft for sinking WordPerfect
Loverock Davidson | 11/12/04
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BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Keep pounding on those criminals!
Jeff Spicoli | 11/12/04
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Obviously you never used WP back then
mombo3 | 11/12/04
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Reasons for this?
tic swayback | 11/12/04
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hmmm
gary.douglas@... | 11/12/04
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I'm just saying...
tic swayback | 11/12/04
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Problem here is no monopoly
GregSalts | 11/16/04
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Microsoft was, in fact, successfuilly sued
PCcritic | 12/29/04
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Trademark Law
gsquared | 12/29/04
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I agree!!!
msmeaton | 11/12/04
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Sound advice
tic swayback | 11/12/04
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Blah Blah Blah.......
_byte | 11/12/04
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Microsoft and innovation
mombo3 | 11/15/04
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NotePad put WordPerfect out of business?
GregSalts | 11/16/04
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Pricing
jacarter3 | 11/13/04
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How could Wp not reduce their price?
GregSalts | 11/16/04
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Pricing
jacarter3 | 11/13/04
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WYSIWYG
jacarter3 | 11/13/04
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What IP rights?
AmusedAtItAll | 11/13/04
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Re: hmmm
richdave | 11/13/04
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Please compare apples to apples
htotten | 11/14/04
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Settle
rapson | 11/12/04
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Both
mtbandit@... | 11/15/04
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So True
janesdtr | 11/12/04
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WP Committed Suicide
brble | 11/12/04
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Re: WP Committed Suicide
Ryckster | 11/13/04
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Another Word Perfect mistake
DownEast59 | 11/14/04
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Inferior Is Correct
wordlet | 11/12/04
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Poppycock!
pickespu | 11/12/04
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I frogot about service
mtbandit@... | 11/15/04
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I used Word Perfect back then and still try
colhop | 11/13/04
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How did MS make Novell write buggy software?
GregSalts | 11/16/04
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How did MS make Novell write buggy software?
Gregory.J.Bradley@... | 01/16/05
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WP unusable?
atlascott | 12/29/04
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WP
bobbigold | 12/29/04
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geez ...
gary.douglas@... | 11/12/04
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When Bill Gates bought the U.S. ? before G.W. Bush or G.H.W. Bush? (NT)
Vily Clay | 11/13/04
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Suit seems without merit to me..
d_jedi | 11/12/04
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It looks like...
rapson | 11/12/04
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Also
tic swayback | 11/12/04
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What will a Judge look at
djc1309@... | 11/15/04
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Seems to me...
rapson | 11/15/04
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Windows wasn't an Operating System during this time
GregSalts | 11/16/04
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Beware pouring Salts on the wound
PCcritic | 12/29/04
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Oh good grief, WordPerfect killed itself.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
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WordPerfect 6.0 was the reason I switched to MS Word
Salman Pak | 11/12/04
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Me too, WP lock ups made me switch
bnordberg | 11/12/04
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I found Word to be an inferior product even to this day
voska | 11/12/04
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Ultra Expensive???
Joe Donovan | 11/12/04
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Office bundles hastened demise of WP
gmc_z | 11/12/04
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WP vs. MS Word side by side = MS Word is the loser.
Vily Clay | 11/13/04
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re: Ultra Expensive???
richdave | 11/13/04
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In Response to Viley's referrence to WordPerfect Magazine article
GregSalts | 11/16/04
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Why you do not want to compare WP vs. MS Word side by side? (NT)
Vily Clay | 11/16/04
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The whole point
Gregory.J.Bradley@... | 11/14/04
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Exactly what I was thinking.
geegee_z | 11/15/04
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Other vendors were capable of making good software
GregSalts | 11/16/04
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Isn't that the reason...
Utag | 11/12/04
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can't stand to use Word.
rhammock | 11/12/04
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WP 6.0 was the reason I switched to MS Word
BanderaJim | 11/12/04
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WordPerfect
Rihadin | 11/12/04
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Not User Friendly!!!!!!!!!
pickespu | 11/12/04
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Novell helped...
John L. Ries | 11/12/04
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5.1 for DOS
BanderaJim | 11/12/04
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Agree on WP 5.1...
jaytucker@... | 11/12/04
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Word Perfect has almost always been superior.
DonnieBoy | 11/12/04
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Not according to every review ever put out.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/13/04
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Wht the heck
jsjag1 | 11/13/04
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Almost doesn't count...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
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Give us a link, bitty
AmusedAtItAll | 11/13/04
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|
Better yet...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/14/04
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re: Word Perfect has almost always been superior.
Ryckster | 11/13/04
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Gateway make you buy office??
cl1986 | 11/13/04
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WP
reyster1@... | 11/13/04
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So that WP didn't have the same level
Richard Flude | 11/14/04
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Just read the "Just_Ax_Me" reply, I think that says it all
Physco Dude | 11/15/04
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|
Legitimate reasons
rapson | 11/15/04
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Secretarial Comparison
TerryS12 | 12/29/04
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|
I'm sure Novell would gladly drop suit...
Michael Kelly | 11/12/04
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Patent Protection?
Joe Donovan | 11/12/04
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|
???
gary.douglas@... | 11/12/04
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The phrase...
rapson | 11/12/04
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|
And?
AmusedAtItAll | 11/13/04
|
|
Is this a joke?
AmusedAtItAll | 11/13/04
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|
Windows Never Competed Against Wordperfect
P. Douglas | 11/12/04
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Word-Perfect Suit
CodeBubba | 11/12/04
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Hear! Hear! (NT)
P. Douglas | 11/12/04
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|
I think that's the basis of the suit
j.m.galvin | 11/12/04
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Word Perfect was easy to use in 5.1
voska | 11/12/04
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|
WordPerfect vs. Word
GregGold | 11/12/04
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|
History tells the story.
JohnMinn | 11/12/04
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HERE IS NOTHING LIKE LIVING THROUGH IT.
armodillo | 11/15/04
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I think you're confused
tic swayback | 11/12/04
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|
except Windows 3.x was not an OS
GregSalts | 11/16/04
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Learn to read
Nettrainer | 11/12/04
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|
Proof of patches breaking WP
GregSalts | 11/16/04
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|
Remember WP 6.1 GP fault problems
bnordberg | 11/12/04
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|
I wonder..
d_jedi | 11/12/04
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|
wordperfect
jimdmta | 11/12/04
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wordperfect
lizgib@... | 11/12/04
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|
learn
Nettrainer | 11/12/04
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|
This is why Novell is suing
htotten | 11/14/04
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I sold it and I used it
tsobrien@... | 11/12/04
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WordPerfect was superior to Word
severian@... | 11/12/04
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WP superior? No way
mombo3 | 11/12/04
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WP superior? No way
rhammock | 11/12/04
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YES, SUPERIOR BY FAR
carlos_z | 11/12/04
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|
WP Better? Only Version 5.1!
litoa77 | 11/12/04
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Superior in every way!!!
statman2005 | 11/30/04
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|
WordPerfect was superior to Word
bobschacht | 11/12/04
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|
WordPerfect IS superior to Word
CopierGuy | 11/12/04
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|
MS support was the best available up until Office XP
GregSalts | 11/16/04
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|
Microsoft certainly killed WP for the MAC
chalporn@... | 11/12/04
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WordPerfect Far Better
dorissau | 11/13/04
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|
WordPerfect superioity
Donnafred | 11/13/04
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|
Entrenched does not equal superior
mattwa | 11/13/04
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|
WordPerfect Superior
Gloey | 12/29/04
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Microsoft sues Novell for sinking Windows
FilledOut | 11/12/04
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Word perfect caused their own demise
booknut | 11/12/04
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I disagree
tom.price | 11/16/04
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Did you people read the article?
techgnome | 11/12/04
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I did
seosamh_z | 11/12/04
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Must agree
miked@... | 11/12/04
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Actually, that is already proven
Physco Dude | 11/15/04
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Get REAL!
howard.blake@... | 11/12/04
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Conflict of Interest
John L. Ries | 11/12/04
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Not sure
rapson | 11/12/04
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I am
John L. Ries | 11/12/04
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Conflict of Interest - Nonsense
sidor@... | 11/12/04
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Viperman creates his own special judicial system
joelmw_z | 11/12/04
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Frivolous Lawsuits
John L. Ries | 11/12/04
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|
Where did you put your money
FilledOut | 11/14/04
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|
learn about MS
Nettrainer | 11/12/04
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Get REAL?????
olenavy | 11/12/04
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Lousy Practice
Altern_z | 11/17/04
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The GPF stuff is a ruse
mombo3 | 11/12/04
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Not a ruse at all
htotten | 11/14/04
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hahaha
gary.douglas@... | 11/12/04
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|
Did you people read the article?
GregGold | 11/12/04
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|
Not just one factor
Uncle Opie | 11/13/04
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They didn't read it!
Altern_z | 11/17/04
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|
Windows OS *is* germane to WordPerfect issue
ostrove@... | 11/12/04
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|
But
seosamh_z | 11/12/04
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|
Hello?
_byte | 11/12/04
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|
Scovell?
fretinator@... | 11/12/04
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Running a company
trm1945 | 11/12/04
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Sounds mighty familiar
tic swayback | 11/12/04
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Running a company
inuyashapl | 11/16/04
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Better moustrap
miked@... | 11/12/04
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Not a better moustrap if you own all the cheese.
gmc_z | 11/12/04
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Each to their own
miked@... | 11/12/04
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Locoscript and Amstrad
gmc_z | 11/12/04
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|
Novel vs Microsoft
cameracapers | 11/12/04
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|
$500 million is not enough
jimmied43 | 11/12/04
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|
Word perfect remains Superior to MS Word
windy@... | 11/12/04
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|
Word Perfect is compatible.
rhammock | 11/12/04
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|
Read In Search of Stupidity
Mchapman29@... | 11/12/04
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Are You Serious
Joe Donovan | 11/12/04
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|
If it says MicroSoft it must a No Brainer!
Apnek | 11/13/04
|
|
MS kiling Word Pefect
ecruzaz | 11/12/04
|
|
Conversion issues
webperson.1.5 | 11/12/04
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|
What a load of tripe!!!!
Shrink#1 | 11/14/04
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|
Absolutely Superior
jsevy@... | 11/12/04
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Then versus now
mombo3 | 11/12/04
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|
How much use did you give WP?
joroy@... | 11/30/04
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|
Reveal Codes
killroywashere | 11/12/04
|
|
Beauty is in the eye . . .
rfsimms | 11/12/04
|
|
Hear, hear!!
joroy@... | 11/30/04
|
|
Doctors and Lawyers
rfsimms | 12/03/04
|
|
Wordperfect is still better
Seanc_z | 11/12/04
|
|
Novell sues Microsoft for sinking WordPerfect
drbasic | 11/12/04
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|
Not real surprising
halrogers_2000@... | 11/12/04
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Parting was such Suite sorrow
peterdee_z | 11/12/04
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|
Looks like Novell is spoiling for a fight.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/12/04
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|
ms has been dising out the money
JasonL31 | 11/15/04
|
|
"WP Kicked 'Dubya's' Butt!"
cidfreud@... | 11/12/04
|
|
I LOVE WORD PERFECT
lizgib@... | 11/12/04
|
|
Reports of the demise of WordPerfect are greatly exaggerated.
jed.gart@... | 11/12/04
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I don't buy it!
mwagner@... | 11/12/04
|
|
Huh?
_byte | 11/12/04
|
|
!!%&^$%#$*#@
joroy@... | 11/30/04
|
|
WP: DOS Hero to Windows Zero
pbrug | 11/12/04
|
|
MS Word vs WP - Office vs Office!
windy@... | 11/12/04
|
|
Yeah, WordPerfect Self-destructed Alright
Travasaurus | 11/12/04
|
|
You are Right
Rodney Davis | 11/12/04
|
|
Messman
HiRezL | 11/14/04
|
|
Wordperfect
mdj53546 | 11/12/04
|
|
Wordperfect
mdj53546 | 11/12/04
|
|
Novell Sues Microsoft for Sinking Word Perfect
PhoenixStorm26 | 11/12/04
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|
WordPerfect is better for writing
cormo | 11/12/04
|
|
Can WP compete w/ MS
thomashoyt | 11/12/04
|
|
Can WP compete w/MSOffice
olenavy | 11/12/04
|
|
Word Perfect
warnerkj@... | 11/12/04
|
|
Saw this one coming
lyal@... | 11/12/04
|
|
WordPerfect Cannot Compete!
leckerson | 11/12/04
|
|
Kidding aren't you
jsjag1 | 11/13/04
|
|
BLOAT????
joroy@... | 11/30/04
|
|
Word BETTER than WordPerfect?????????? Dream on!!!
joroy@... | 11/13/04
|
|
WordPerfect is a more powerful system.
nigel.day | 11/12/04
|
|
What?
HiRezL | 11/14/04
|
|
Oh yeah??
joroy@... | 11/30/04
|
|
Duh?
Stephen Wheeler | 11/15/04
|
|
It was Better
john.torkelson@... | 11/12/04
|
|
Office suites . . . who was first? WP or M$??
joroy@... | 11/13/04
|
|
Novell killed it
pcwizard2600 | 11/12/04
|
|
Wordperfect never had it
rsmith77 | 11/12/04
|
|
well said
pcwizard2600 | 11/12/04
|
|
Just a moment
_byte | 11/12/04
|
|
Word Perfect
jumby@... | 11/12/04
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Lucky you!!
joroy@... | 11/13/04
|
|
Word Perfect was superior to Word, now Word looks like WP
JoeParent@... | 11/12/04
|
|
Word Im-Perfect more like it
John Zern | 11/14/04
|
|
Whose features where?
joroy@... | 11/30/04
|
|
WP was DOS King. They shot themselves in the head with Windows Version
jgriener@... | 11/12/04
|
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Please explain this to me
Rodney Davis | 11/12/04
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Ok, I will
_byte | 11/12/04
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|
You are WRONG
djc1309@... | 11/13/04
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|
So are you
joroy@... | 11/30/04
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|
Illogical conclusion.
GregSalts | 11/16/04
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|
They both could.
Uncle Opie | 11/13/04
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|
Depends on action
AmusedAtItAll | 11/13/04
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|
it's way past time
rbixby | 11/12/04
|
|
Sue them for being the best???
bammike | 11/12/04
|
|
Anyone, you say?
joroy@... | 11/30/04
|
|
I guess if you have no product
jkirk@... | 11/12/04
|
|
Why doesn't Novell quit crying?
jallen64 | 11/12/04
|
|
Looking Back
pebear | 11/12/04
|
|
It also caused the death of the Mac version of WP as well
pjones | 11/12/04
|
|
When did they change
st1_z | 11/12/04
|
|
MS Word was not Win95 compliant!
Carleton Britt | 11/12/04
|
|
WordPerfect Was Dead When 6.0 Came Out
CodeZombie | 11/12/04
|
|
Novell is right
sdubrosky | 11/12/04
|
|
A combination of factors
Jim Wright | 11/12/04
|
|
Word Perfect better than Word
robrose | 11/12/04
|
|
Still using WP but trying to convert to Word
hshachter@... | 11/12/04
|
|
I still like WordPerfect better
chasmagc@... | 11/12/04
|
|
Almost, but not quite
chris.cogan | 11/12/04
|
|
WordPerfect's Fatal Flaw
feastert | 11/12/04
|
|
Word made more 'sense' to me
chris_musante@... | 11/12/04
|
|
Word Perfect
jhcurry@... | 11/12/04
|
|
Read
billwaib | 11/12/04
|
|
Experience With Wordperfect
gosfan | 11/12/04
|
|
Slippery Slope for All Businesses!!!
peter@... | 11/12/04
|
|
wordperfect
royhill401 | 11/12/04
|
|
Heck, Lotus WordPro Beats out Microsoft Word
dl@... | 11/12/04
|
|
Missing the REAL reason Word is No. 1
John Zern | 11/14/04
|
|
IBM/Lotus should sue too
netminder | 11/12/04
|
|
Hard to use? Maybe
redsilo@... | 11/12/04
|
|
Offended?
Stephen Wheeler | 11/15/04
|
|
Microsoft Strongarm tactics
simtech | 11/12/04
|
|
Word Perfect is still better than Word
kyeagle | 11/12/04
|
|
I'm a die-hard WordPerfect user
silverg50 | 11/13/04
|
|
WordPerfect not appropriate for foreign language needs
aschvetahata | 11/13/04
|
|
Foreign Language support
joroy@... | 11/30/04
|
|
markup language
jim@... | 11/13/04
|
|
Reveal Codes Is Of WP's Best Features
gosfan | 11/13/04
|
|
WordStar!
wadde001@... | 11/15/04
|
|
Word Perfect-- BETTER
frankm@... | 11/13/04
|
|
WordPerfect was not competitive
David@... | 11/13/04
|
|
Choice
Fschwep | 11/16/04
|
|
Word Perfect WordProcessing Program
PVCM | 11/13/04
|
|
LetterPerfect
gosfan | 11/13/04
|
|
word perfect
jee@... | 11/13/04
|
|
Ask any admin person and it's WordPerfect
jsjag1 | 11/13/04
|
|
I must be Admin number 10!
John Zern | 11/14/04
|
|
access
scutfargus@... | 11/15/04
|
|
Word Perfect
khorcom | 11/13/04
|
|
giving the power to MS
Richie_z | 11/13/04
|
|
Novell sues Microsoft?
cedialogs | 11/13/04
|
|
WP killed itself
pamw2 | 11/13/04
|
|
WP Killed itself - NOT
simtech | 11/13/04
|
|
Wow. People make up stuff, for what?
John Zern | 11/14/04
|
|
Who killed whom?
joroy@... | 11/30/04
|
|
WP killed itself? I don't think so....
scutfargus@... | 11/16/04
|
|
A lot of offices, if not just govt
FilledOut | 11/19/04
|
|
Novell is REALLY reaching now!
Mr. Tinker | 11/13/04
|
|
It was closer to an attempted murder suicide
buzzstar | 11/13/04
|
|
Microsoft had the head start but?
Uncle Opie | 11/13/04
|
|
Just Plain Old GREED
djc1309@... | 11/13/04
|
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I'm a 1989 user
heirloommaker@... | 11/13/04
|
|
Once a Thief always a thief
gaelicfog@... | 11/13/04
|
|
Let's stop blaming everyone else for our own demise
apexadam | 11/13/04
|
|
You compare
jsjag1 | 11/13/04
|
|
Something few (if any) have mentioned
cantooconcepts@... | 11/23/04
|
|
WordPerfect Quality
Noryb | 11/13/04
|
|
WP for Windows was never good
Guntis_z | 11/13/04
|
|
WP interface
Guntis_z | 11/13/04
|
|
it sucked
beggenbe@... | 11/13/04
|
|
Word vs Word Perfect
pauline@... | 11/13/04
|
|
WordPerfect
ewriggs@... | 11/13/04
|
|
How true
jsjag1 | 11/14/04
|
|
The Future of Word Processing Formats
gosfan | 11/16/04
|
|
Word Perfect
desertrose | 11/13/04
|
|
WORDPERFECT SUNK ITSELF
aaronbaker | 11/13/04
|
|
Does Aaron Baker know how to operate his computer?
PCcritic | 12/29/04
|
|
Novell sues Microsoft
wtremper@... | 11/14/04
|
|
Wordperfect Rules (for me)
Stew_z | 11/14/04
|
|
WordPerfect vs The Office Suite
eaglziz | 11/14/04
|
|
Wordperfect
Ted Goodwin | 11/14/04
|
|
I was a Judge I would pull out my BULLS*#T stamp
Squawkbox | 11/14/04
|
|
Sometimes it's just not that simple Squak.
Laff | 11/15/04
|
|
Da BIG BullS**T Stamp
doc_cotton | 12/01/04
|
|
WRONG!
drichards1953 | 12/29/04
|
|
Novell sues Microsoft
cottom | 11/14/04
|
|
Word didn't sink WP. Office did.
John Zern | 11/14/04
|
|
Wordperfect was dead before Windows
BruceAnd | 11/14/04
|
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Yes, they did
gejepe@... | 11/15/04
|
|
A stroll down memory lane
jmcbreen@... | 11/15/04
|
|
This should be simple enough.
Laff | 11/15/04
|
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More about GUI development
booknut | 11/15/04
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Word Perfect still teh standards for many
jphaneuf@... | 11/15/04
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We started with WP and tried MS Office
John Zern | 06/13/05
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Have both...use WP
mitlinl | 11/15/04
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Wordperfect
avonmama | 11/15/04
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Word Perfect Sunk themselves
galorath@... | 11/15/04
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WordPerfect vs. Word
rchardon@... | 11/15/04
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WordPerfect vs. Word
philgiesbrecht@... | 12/29/04
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WordPerfect - Novell vs Microsoft
WarriorWraith | 11/15/04
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Ulterior Motives
Stephen Wheeler | 11/15/04
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Microsoft used questionable practices to defeat WordPerfect
criderja | 11/15/04
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Novell missed out on MS investment in WP
lblackstone | 11/15/04
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WP
dgrickman53@... | 11/15/04
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pricing of WordPerfect
scutfargus@... | 11/15/04
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The Price of WordPerfect
gosfan | 11/16/04
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It's A Shame
vickiecars@... | 11/16/04
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That's the usual method
jsjag1 | 11/16/04
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WordPerfect still on top
sleeper1428 | 11/16/04
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agreed, WordPerfect.
pablito@... | 12/13/04
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Re: Microsoft sinking WordPerfect
luwilkins.net | 11/17/04
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Use what you want, buy it, support it
FilledOut | 11/19/04
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IF you can afford it!
gan1000 | 12/29/04
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Word Perfect was and IS superior to Word
Jazzdavid | 11/23/04
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Novell sues Microsoft for sinking WordPerfect
wagnerrt | 11/28/04
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Looked at W-P Office Lately ? Where's the Database ?
mallen@... | 12/01/04
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Word Perfect
doc_cotton | 12/01/04
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Word Perfect
doc_cotton | 12/01/04
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wordperfect v word.
jed.gart@... | 12/29/04
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WordPerfect Vs Word
Donadler | 12/29/04
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Word vs WordPerfect
Donadler | 12/29/04
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WordPerfect was a DOG!
pamw2 | 12/29/04
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Wordperfect superior
vsconsul@... | 12/29/04
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WordPerfect v. Word
alceo@... | 12/29/04
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Word Perfect did Self-Destruct
jmchugh@... | 12/29/04
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lawsuit against Microsoft.
sguerin_z | 12/29/04
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Free Enterprise=Linux
drichards1953 | 12/29/04
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WP
mck22 | 12/29/04
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Can't sue for bad code
dkerzel@... | 12/29/04
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Don't get it?
pmishler | 12/29/04
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WordPerfect
jdodge@... | 12/29/04
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adjusting to change
Hold2File | 01/01/05
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WP is for the most part superior to MSWord and still is!!
drichards1953 | 12/29/04
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WP way better than Word & QP than Excel
judoguy | 12/29/04
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Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde
philgiesbrecht@... | 12/29/04
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So intertwined with the OS? It's not IE
John Zern | 06/13/05
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WP - MS
ajjganene@... | 12/31/04
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The REAL snake in the tree
Hold2File | 01/01/05
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What does IE have to do with WordPerfect
John Zern | 06/13/05
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